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I have always wondered about the early Smith boats. Everyone that cares seems to know about Boca Jima , or the express that spent years in the brokerage section.

But I'm more curious to know if anyone knows the first Jim Smith to look like what the Americans, Montereys copied from Jim Smith. Longitudinal salon vants, hard rise in the sheer, Overhanging bridge, reverse tumblehome.

A couple people have told me that the original flybridge Jim Smith's were the "Smith 57's" and there were only a few. Also I have heard that before Jim Smith was in Stuart he had a working relationship with Mabry Edwards, Forest Johnson and others. Was he maybe building at one of their places.

A very close friend of mine knew Jim Smith very well but still doesn't remember the first Convertible Sportboat.
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Originally Posted by workinpr0gress View Post
I have always wondered about the early Smith boats. Everyone that cares seems to know about Boca Jima , or the express that spent years in the brokerage section.

But I'm more curious to know if anyone knows the first Jim Smith to look like what the Americans, Montereys copied from Jim Smith. Longitudinal salon vants, hard rise in the sheer, Overhanging bridge, reverse tumblehome.

A couple people have told me that the original flybridge Jim Smith's were the "Smith 57's" and there were only a few. Also I have heard that before Jim Smith was in Stuart he had a working relationship with Mabry Edwards, Forest Johnson and others. Was he maybe building at one of their places.

A very close friend of mine knew Jim Smith very well but still doesn't remember the first Convertible Sportboat.
I was thinking that there were actually 2 Boca Jima's, IIRC. The first was the 35 footer built in 59 that would top out at 44 knots and later took on the likes of Dick Bertram in one of the the Miami-Nassau races in the early 60's. I was thinking that there were some early boats in the 48 foot range. Have you ever seen that weird looking 60 foot "express" that used to live at Sailfish Marina back in the early 90's? It was an express in the old Rybo sense, in that it had a very low deckhouse and a flybridge. Also, do you know which one broke in half on the Way to Cancun? They apparently just launched a 95 footer that tops out at 41 knots!!!!! This is their 27th boats and I have to think that at least half of the ones in existence used at the time to dock at Sailfish and Buccaneer during the winters back in the 90's!.

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Yeah I know the boat, that's the one that was for sale forever. I didn't know a Smith sank, there have been multiple boats break stringers loose crossing the yucatan. That's hull 27 since I think 1980 though isn't it, even if it isn't what were a couple of the next. I don't like that new boat I like the traditional look where anywhere at glance you know it's a Stuart boat.
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Does anybody know if the original 35 is still around? Would love to see some additional pics
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Don't want to derail this thread, but do any of you that know about the Jim Smith boats know anything about the "Smith" boats?

I was on one last week (a flybridge) and while it looked like what I remember a Jim Smith looking like, the guy I was on the boat with said it was a cold molded "Smith" boat built in 1982 (and he specifically said that it was not a Jim Smith). He said the boat was 60 ft at the waterline and 65 ft overall, and had 892's for power. He said he thought some of the employees left Jim Smith in the early 1980's and built 3 or 4 of these.
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Don't want to derail this thread, but do any of you that know about the Jim Smith boats know anything about the "Smith" boats?

I was on one last week (a flybridge) and while it looked like what I remember a Jim Smith looking like, the guy I was on the boat with said it was a cold molded "Smith" boat built in 1982 (and he specifically said that it was not a Jim Smith). He said the boat was 60 ft at the waterline and 65 ft overall, and had 892's for power. He said he thought some of the employees left Jim Smith in the early 1980's and built 3 or 4 of these.
Wasn't Tribute was founded by former Smith guys.
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Originally Posted by workinpr0gress View Post
Yeah I know the boat, that's the one that was for sale forever. I didn't know a Smith sank, there have been multiple boats break stringers loose crossing the yucatan. That's hull 27 since I think 1980 though isn't it, even if it isn't what were a couple of the next. I don't like that new boat I like the traditional look where anywhere at glance you know it's a Stuart boat.
The boat that I am talking about allegedly broke in half and sank because the crew was running in conditions and at speeds that they shouldn't have been. Do you remember the couple of bridge deck type express boats that Smtih built? I seemto recall a 45' and a 57' that had big Lugger engines and a ridiculous cruise range. IIRC, the guy had the 57 built so that he could run from the Outer banks to Bermuda without barrels or blivets..
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Tribute was started by Hank Manley I believe, who is a former smith owner, avid angler who holds records. A small tribute woul be my boat of choice if I could afford it.
I have heard allied marine did something with some smith tooling. There is a lot of speculation regarding Jim smiths throughout the years.
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The boat that I am talking about allegedly broke in half and sank because the crew was running in conditions and at speeds that they shouldn't have been. Do you remember the couple of bridge deck type express boats that Smtih built? I seemto recall a 45' and a 57' that had big Lugger engines and a ridiculous cruise range. IIRC, the guy had the 57 built so that he could run from the Outer banks to Bermuda without barrels or blivets..
Yeah the larger one was for sale forever, not quite express not quite flybridge.

How about this one. Anyone know of any Caliban's not the Merritts that were named by the Merritt family. But the original personal fleet of boats that were built as Caliban as a brand.
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There is an article in this month's Marlin Magazine on the evolution of the sportfish- discusses Jim Smith's earliest boats and ideas shared/drawn from Rybovich and Merritt as well as his own innovations, i.e., a sf primarily built for speed. The article also discusses various partnerships/ventures that became Monterey and American Custom Yachts as well as the relationships of the various carolina builders/captains. Interesting read.
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Good looking out...
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[quote=jdm61;3256053] Have you ever seen that weird looking 60 foot "express" that used to live at Sailfish Marina back in the early 90's? It was an express in the old Rybo sense, in that it had a very low deckhouse and a flybridge. quote]


Was it the "Miss Broadbill"?
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Have you ever seen that weird looking 60 foot "express" that used to live at Sailfish Marina back in the early 90's? It was an express in the old Rybo sense, in that it had a very low deckhouse and a flybridge. quote]


Was it the "Miss Broadbill"?
Had another name too.
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It was built as "Miss Broadbill".

http://boatsmith.blogspot.com/2008/0...h-classic.html


http://www.yacht-net.com/3395.htm
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MISS BROADBILL is now in St. Augustine and has been the last couple of years. It is currently called SAVANNAH SUMMER but will be going back to the original MISS BROADBILL because they say everytime they pull in somewhere, someone asks..."isn't that the original MISS BROADBILL?"

Sorry the pic isn't bigger but it is a low res file and I don't have another right now. The boat has been re-furbed and is looking good.

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Looks nice. I had heard it had no tower and it was low profile to make it under a bridge coming from the owner's house. Don't know if that's true.
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I sure wish someone knew exactly what became of the original BOCA JIMA. I've never even heard a rumor of its whereabouts.

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I sure wish someone knew exactly what became of the original BOCA JIMA. I've never even heard a rumor of it's whereabouts.
Do ya think Ocean would try to copy it in a plastic version and market it as something special and new...lol
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;?I figured you would probably know.
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Originally Posted by workinpr0gress View Post
Yeah the larger one was for sale forever, not quite express not quite flybridge.

How about this one. Anyone know of any Caliban's not the Merritts that were named by the Merritt family. But the original personal fleet of boats that were built as Caliban as a brand.
The one that I am talking about was a "true" express, IIRC. it was laid out similarly to the Donzi-Roscioli 58 express (not the one with the hardtop/deckhouse setup) This would have been in the mid 90's when the Luggers were ebing put in a fair number of boats like the smaller Garlingtons, etc. because they were heavy as hell, but bulletproof and ridiculously fuel efficient. Last time I heard, Sea Genie II, the 39 Rybo charter boat out of Kona has Luggers, which makes it as slow as Christmas like an early 60's dayboat, but with the short runs in Hawaii, you probably only have to fill the boat up once a month.

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