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Old 10-01-2010, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Tunadevil View Post
Looks nice. I had heard it had no tower and it was low profile to make it under a bridge coming from the owner's house. Don't know if that's true.
The last time I saw that boat was in the mid 90's and it had sweet young things crawling all over it at Sailfish.
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The Jim Smith that sank going to Mexico was a 56 that at one time was "Speed Merchant" then became "Reel Joy". Not sure what it was called when it went down (wasn't Reel Joy).
Supposedly boat went down fast- something like the bow deck lifted from the hull when the bow punched into a sea..

Also, in the early 1990's used to fish on a 1963 53' flybridge Jim Smith, neat old boat and very efficient.
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Also, in the early 1990's used to fish on a 1963 53' flybridge Jim Smith, neat old boat and very efficient.
Wow, what was the name of that boat?

You're not kidding about efficient. I heard trolling valves were thought of on a smith bottomed boat cause they wanted to plane off. But everything is rumor. I've seen some ridiculously low burn numbers for the older smith based designs. 27 knot 1850-1900rpm 60' hull, 38-39 gph 12 cylinder 800 horse... Four blades, throw set of old school 3 blades and look out you could add some top end quick with those light ones..... Those plywood boats three blades rumble.
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Originally Posted by gonnabe View Post
The Jim Smith that sank going to Mexico was a 56 that at one time was "Speed Merchant" then became "Reel Joy". Not sure what it was called when it went down (wasn't Reel Joy).
Supposedly boat went down fast- something like the bow deck lifted from the hull when the bow punched into a sea..

Also, in the early 1990's used to fish on a 1963 53' flybridge Jim Smith, neat old boat and very efficient.
The part about it going down fast was the story that I heard from some of the regular denizens of Oceanside and Villa Vera. Pretty scary. The consensus was that it was not the builders fault.
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Originally Posted by gonnabe View Post
The Jim Smith that sank going to Mexico was a 56 that at one time was "Speed Merchant" then became "Reel Joy". Not sure what it was called when it went down (wasn't Reel Joy).
Supposedly boat went down fast- something like the bow deck lifted from the hull when the bow punched into a sea..

Also, in the early 1990's used to fish on a 1963 53' flybridge Jim Smith, neat old boat and very efficient.
Good friend of mine knew the crew. On the way to Mexico, they buried the bow at over 30 knots and the forward deck tore off. The Cap and crew were on the bridge. Boat went down in seconds. No radio call. The mate's sufboard floated up and they paddled on it for hours. Another boat on the way to Mexico saw them floating and picked them up. Happened back in 1993 or 94
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54 bullwinkle, your re-cap is the same as I know it.

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If you want info about the early Smith boats contact Rich Scheffer at Tribute Performance boats. http://www.tributeboats.com/ Hank Manley and him started Tribute after he left Jim Smith boats. Mr. Manley never owned a Smith but a 48 Monterey before he built the 58' Tribute Hull #1 Escapade.
Yes the efficiency of this style boat is incredible. 70' tribute w/ 1500hp MTU's 1750rpm 31kts @ 82gph total. boat is on plane at 975rpm.
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Couple of things: Mabry Edwards did work with Jim Smith early on as both were speed demons when it came to cars, motorcyles and boats. The Smith that went down was the "Anhinga"". Later Smith hull designs (Blount) are better headsea than earlier 80/90's models. As Tony stated a very efficient hull. The 72' we took to Panama last Nov from Stuart CAT 3412E 12 hrs 25kt cruise @ 72-73 gph in 6-9', 11 hrs 10 -13 kts (night), 6 hrs 25+ kts from Jamaica to Colon. Did not refuel until reaching Panama City. Very Efficient!
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Old 10-02-2010, 10:43 AM
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Great info guys ...thanks....you never see this stuff get talked about. At least I dont.
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Originally Posted by workinpr0gress View Post
Great info guys ...thanks....you never see this stuff get talked about. At least I dont.
Jim Smith and Monterey both redid their bottoms in the late 80's and early 90's. My dad owned the former Gina Lisa, which was one of the 65' Montereys with the Walter Hahn designed bottom and it was a great sea boat and still topped out at between 42 and 43 knots with Bivens 16V-92's and would cruise at 28 burning about 80-90 gph, IIRC, which is pretty good for thirsty old 2 strokes..
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Jim Smith and Monterey both redid their bottoms in the late 80's and early 90's. My dad owned the former Gina Lisa, which was one of the 65' Montereys with the Walter Hahn designed bottom and it was a great sea boat and still topped out at between 42 and 43 knots with Bivens 16V-92's and would cruise at 28 burning about 80-90 gph, IIRC, which is pretty good for thirsty old 2 strokes..
We were talking about that before, I liked the early run of Montereys, so light, seen a lot of heavy weather on that old 57 Monterey. That quite posibbly was the finest running sportfish I have ever had the pleasure of being on and the the owner replaced it with a Spencer. I'd have to say the Monterey was more of a pleasure to me.
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Originally Posted by jdm61 View Post
Jim Smith and Monterey both redid their bottoms in the late 80's and early 90's. My dad owned the former Gina Lisa, which was one of the 65' Montereys with the Walter Hahn designed bottom and it was a great sea boat and still topped out at between 42 and 43 knots with Bivens 16V-92's and would cruise at 28 burning about 80-90 gph, IIRC, which is pretty good for thirsty old 2 strokes..
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Anyone know of any Caliban's, not the Merritts that were named Caliban. But the original personal fleet of boats that were built as a Caliban.
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One of our local Capt's up here (John Fleet,I believe) was the mate on that one that sunk. Heard that same story from him many years ago. Scary stuff.
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love to here more about this stuff . I do remember the speed merchant
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love to here more about this stuff . I do remember the speed merchant
We looked briefly at one of the later Speed Merchants, the 60 foot Tribute. IIRC, it carried 900 gallons of fuel, had MTU 12V-183's and topped at at 50 knots....or more!!!. Interesting boat, but definitely built for speed and it seemed like a boat that would have required even more maintenance than your typical South Florida cold molded battlewagon. The bottom and everything attached to it were faired, smoothed and spit shined to within an inch of their lives on that boat so as to eliminate ad much drag as humanly possible.
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Old 11-23-2010, 08:12 PM
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The boat that I am talking about allegedly broke in half and sank because the crew was running in conditions and at speeds that they shouldn't have been. Do you remember the couple of bridge deck type express boats that Smith built? I seemto recall a 45' and a 57' that had big Lugger engines and a ridiculous cruise range. IIRC, the guy had the 57 built so that he could run from the Outer banks to Bermuda without barrels or blivets..
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I have always wondered about the early Smith boats. Everyone that cares seems to know about Boca Jima , or the express that spent years in the brokerage section.

But I'm more curious to know if anyone knows the first Jim Smith to look like what the Americans, Montereys copied from Jim Smith. Longitudinal salon vants, hard rise in the sheer, Overhanging bridge, reverse tumblehome.

A couple people have told me that the original flybridge Jim Smith's were the "Smith 57's" and there were only a few. Also I have heard that before Jim Smith was in Stuart he had a working relationship with Mabry Edwards, Forest Johnson and others. Was he maybe building at one of their places.

A very close friend of mine knew Jim Smith very well but still doesn't remember the first Convertible Sportboat.
I may be too old for this thread. and know more then I should. I lived in pompano and was going to try to get a job with him. The building was near 1 and about a 1/2 mile south from the pompano airport?{Maybe,I am going from my memory as I moved back to S jersey many moons ago}.. all those canals that ran inland from around merrit area. I went there early to try to get a job and there was a grouchy old guy climbing out of a car that he had been sleeping off a hangover. He walked with a limp and before I realized he was the owner I had ruined any chance of getting a job with him by opening my big young insulting mouth back then. This was all before jim smith was any kind of legend. I have had the honor of meeting a lot of old legends in sport fishing. Had a few dinners bought by ed murray bros.mated for Capt Ron Jones for 5 years, There was a legend OMG. I used to fish in walkers a lot back then and the post here about don chasin buying Jim Smith business and drawings. That is where chasin crashed and died doing show off flying I think that Jim Smith was never fully paid for the rights to his boats back then.. Merrit boats then they needed a new owner real fast and I think henry tam from milville jersey Glass machine factory. His real$$$ business bought the company. His 1st boat delamiated around the white marlin open even to this day some claim it hit something. They hauled it up north here screwed some plywood to the side and Quietly and sneakily made it back to FL. and fixed it. Then when henry wanted out of the boat business around when the built that 85 ft supposed to be fast boat that never went as fast as expected? That was when Dom a henry employee of merrit took the drawings of the boats and joined with the louisianana ship builders and started building a 55 freedom I believe. I think dom was threatened with a law suit from henry for taking the original drawings. I think that the choust family paid hennry for the drawings and bought the stewart property near 95 and settled all the bad blood about dom. all this time smith boats was still being run also mostly under ? I think john vance I think? Like I said earlier in this long post jim smith could not retire because he was never paid by chaisin. So there was a lot of under dealings going on in the boat business. Hell the most sneaky deal ever even before this time is the origination of the IO and who really secretely invented and developed it all while working for big Karl kiehafer the legend of racing. I will remember their two names in a minute. Oh and jim smith was quite a racer him self. that why he had the bad leg from a car racing crash. Speed guys back then were real. not pretty boys like jeff gordon today.
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I may be too old for this thread. and know more then I should. I lived in pompano and was going to try to get a job with him. The building was near 1 and about a 1/2 mile south from the pompano airport?{Maybe,I am going from my memory as I moved back to S jersey many moons ago}.. all those canals that ran inland from around merrit area. I went there early to try to get a job and there was a grouchy old guy climbing out of a car that he had been sleeping off a hangover. He walked with a limp and before I realized he was the owner I had ruined any chance of getting a job with him by opening my big young insulting mouth back then. This was all before jim smith was any kind of legend. I have had the honor of meeting a lot of old legends in sport fishing. Had a few dinners bought by ed murray bros.mated for Capt Ron Jones for 5 years, There was a legend OMG. I used to fish in walkers a lot back then and the post here about don chasin buying Jim Smith business and drawings. That is where chasin crashed and died doing show off flying I think that Jim Smith was never fully paid for the rights to his boats back then.. Merrit boats then they needed a new owner real fast and I think henry tam from milville jersey Glass machine factory. His real$$$ business bought the company. His 1st boat delamiated around the white marlin open even to this day some claim it hit something. They hauled it up north here screwed some plywood to the side and Quietly and sneakily made it back to FL. and fixed it. Then when henry wanted out of the boat business around when the built that 85 ft supposed to be fast boat that never went as fast as expected? That was when Dom a henry employee of merrit took the drawings of the boats and joined with the louisianana ship builders and started building a 55 freedom I believe. I think dom was threatened with a law suit from henry for taking the original drawings. I think that the choust family paid hennry for the drawings and bought the stewart property near 95 and settled all the bad blood about dom. all this time smith boats was still being run also mostly under ? I think john vance I think? Like I said earlier in this long post jim smith could not retire because he was never paid by chaisin. So there was a lot of under dealings going on in the boat business. Hell the most sneaky deal ever even before this time is the origination of the IO and who really secretely invented and developed it all while working for big Karl kiehafer the legend of racing. I will remember their two names in a minute. Oh and jim smith was quite a racer him self. that why he had the bad leg from a car racing crash. Speed guys back then were real. not pretty boys like jeff gordon today.
Hello Bly. You sure jogged a few memories with your narrative. Guess I must be old too, 'cause I was there as well.
I never met Jim Smith, but our friend Dick Kennedy went wild boar hunting with him aboard his air boat. You are correct about him being a fearless speed demon, but he actually lost the leg in a motorcycle accident, hence the elevator on Boca Jima.
Wow, Ronnie Jones! Haven't heard his name in some time, I believe the (O' Neal) JERSEY DEVIL found its' way to Australia. How is Gene La Marque (Larry Smith Electonics) these days?
The 85 footer that Henry Tamagni built was called the RENEGADE and was built for Tom O'Connell.
Whatever happened to the 72 foot Davis built JERSEY DEVIL? She had performance problems as well, seem to remember John Rybovich advising them to use four engines, two of them coupled to water jets.
GLASS MACHINE was 63 feet long and topped out at 44mph, which was fast for the day, but is production boat speed today.
Not much weight left to take out of these boats, the faster speeds are a result of the proliferation of lighter, higher horsepower Diesels.
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Thank God for surf boards on the one that had the upper deck peeled off. That crew had 18 seconds to before she went down.
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