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Old 07-28-2004, 04:43 PM
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Well, I'm hoping that someone here can give me a tutorial on the different 'head' options available for boats. I understand the basic porta-potti with self contained
flushing medium and waste container that has to be emptied manually. And I understand pretty much the marine head that is bolted to the floor flange with the holding tank and the flushing medium somewhere in the below deck area. Electric
flush or vacu-flush are different types available. BUT what I don't understand are the
differences between the systems that Grady offers such as:

1. portable head with in-line macerator
2. portable head with deck pump out

For #1, I would ask where is this in line macerator? Where is the waste stored?
How does the waste get cleaned out, manually as in a porta-potti, or with deck
pump out?

For #2, I'd ask is this just a portapotti that used a below deck holding tank that is
able to be pumped out? Isn't this like the head in item #1 except no inline macerator?

And if the item 1 has a holding tank, why is deck pumpout not mentioned in Grady's
information.

I'd like to know how items 1 and 2 are different than a basic old porta potti.

Thanks for your help guys. This forum is great.

Regards and thanks for your help, Stanooch


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Old 07-28-2004, 04:48 PM
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What a crappy question.. Sorry dude I could not resist. I also can't help you with such a
sh!tty decision. The Sh!T Stops here!
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Well geeze Cracker, I'm hoping that someone can. 8^) 8^)
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Option #1 is the same as #2 except for the ability to pump your waste overboard through a thru hull when you're out past the 3 mile limit. #2 can only be pumped out at a land based pump out station.
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Old 07-28-2004, 06:17 PM
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OK, so when it says portable head with macerator, it actually has a holding tank below the decks for the waste? And where is the flushing medium located? Is it contained in a tank within the portable head like in a porta potti?, or in another holding tank below decks? These portable heads with the macerator and deck pumpout options look just like a regular ole porta-potti.

Sorry for the questions guys. I've never been concerned about these before. My previous boats never had even a porta potti. You just made sure before we left the dock that NO energencies would arise during the fishing trip. But these questions are now for the women of the family that think they might like to join in. Yes, I know, they will take 2 trips, then lose interest and never want go again. Oh well, I'll be able to explain the options anyway.


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Take a look at the Sealand Technology site to get an idea of how one system works.



http://www.sealandtechnology.com/Default.htm
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it does not mean it that it has a holding tank below deck. a portable head has its own (small amount of) waste storage.the macerator just emptys the portable head.
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Old 07-28-2004, 07:56 PM
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Pee over the side, crap in white bucket, just dont forget to rinse well.
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The holding tank in a portable head can be plumbed to a macerator for overboard discharge or plumbed to a deck pump out fitting.I would imagine you could also have a Y valve so you could do either / discharge with a macerator or pumped out.You could also just use it as a stand alone unit and take it ashore to empty it.The bucket doesn't work very well with the ladies in the family.
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Old 07-28-2004, 08:09 PM
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I think what you put on your boat all depends on who you have on the boat alot. If you have family, with women you need a head. I personally like a portta potty that does not have any tubes or tanks that might leak or smell later on. I had a '72 Pacemaker 32 Flybridge sedan and the holding tank and pipes broke into the bilge. Needless to say, the boat was never the same. On a fishboat men can go overboard and women can use it for emergencies.

If you want amenities on a cruise with me, wait till we get to the Marriott...
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AHH! Our first boat. When the bride wanted to go, I handed her the double duty white spackle bucket. Whe she asked what that was, I replied"Ring around the hynie".
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Oohh, Mud Runner; and you lived to tell about it!

My option will be a self contained porta-potti. It has a small water tank, and a storage tank: when you're finished doing number one, you press a pump to fill the bowl with water, then flush it down to the holding tank. Porta-potti is carried out and emptied at a facility on shore.

As for number two, I'll use an idea I read about here, which is to line the bowl with plastic and bag it out.

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Me-#1 & #2 over the side. If a women can't sit on a bucket with a
towel over her lap with the men being curteous and looking the other
way she doesn't need to be in the outdoors. My mom never minded,
nor does my wife. Both fine LADY'S who love to fish and understand
what being in nature is all about. Heck, what do you guys do for them
when camping in the wilderness??? Frankly, a head in the console would
be a waste of good space in MY console.
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Old 07-28-2004, 10:32 PM
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Striperman, you keep the empty coffee can for 'em in the car as well?
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Stanooch47:

You need to check what the regulations are for the body(ies) of water where you're boating. Here on the Canadian side of the Great Lakes (under our law) you cannot even empty a pee bucket!

I have used the smallest, self contained porta-pottieon my Pursuit for many years. They will deteriorate and crack over time. (I've had three) My new boat has a complete stand-up system with holding tank and all the females prefer it. You can get lots of information about heads from any West Marine catalogue. But, IMHO the "bible" is PHALLBK Get Rid of Boat Odors BOOK: $15.87 by Peggy Hall, the HEADmistress.
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Old 07-28-2004, 11:44 PM
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To answer the question about the flushing medium, it either gets taken in through a raw water intake or can be taken in from a water holding tank. In the version of a friends Contender console head, water comes in through a raw water intake out a macerator to a a Y-valve into a waste holding tank or an overboard disharge thru hull. The macerator pump serves to pump water through the system. In other versions you can have a pump supplying the water supply and a flushing system with the macerater pump serving as a pump out to the outside. I kinda like the macerator pump out type because it gives you the option of emptying your tank offshore after the fact. With the inline macerator, you have to have your holding tank pumped out if it goes into the holding tank.
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Old 07-29-2004, 03:26 AM
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And if you use the dump it over the side method don't forget to complain about water quality.

We use a small porta potti that has to be dumped. Not a big deal. Never a mess. No big turds, the blue stuff and motion seem to break them down nicely.

I know the pollution from the buckets is miniscule, but shouldn't we all do our part?
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Old 07-29-2004, 08:04 AM
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Being a "5 gallon bucket" guy who does dump it over the side....let me ask this. How many people pee in the ocean when they are swimming from the beach? I bet most do. Now look at a crowded beach and ask what effect boaters have on water quality....minimal, at best compared to the pure number of people in the ocean.

As for the other end...well I can see how that has more of an impact....and beach goers don't crap in the ocean.
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From an overall water quality viewpoint, i can assure you that if you are >3 mi offshore in most conditions your waste has a far less impact on the environment than just about anywhere else. There may be exceptions, like in unusually crowded conditions, but where do you think your waste goes when you're on land?
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Don't Drink the Water... Fish Crap Too!

Compare the contents of a bucket, to the residue left from a pod of frightened baitfish As long as the baby ruth's don't cause a scene, and you're out at sea far enough for wave action to turn waste into plankton food... Well, it is just part of nature. To the best of my knowledge, G*d didn't invent the toilet.

The company I work for has a division that makes equipment to manage municiple black water waste. Basically, it mimics and accelerates nature and they're installed in nearly every major city on the planet. It sets the standard for water reclaimation from sewage discharge.

So, my roundabout point is that dilution, at a level which nature can manage, is okay by me. If the "end product" is too concentrated, then the work of man has to be introduced to manage the "end products"

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