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Old 06-07-2004, 11:12 AM
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Was out fishing yesterday morning and went to start the motor to move around and the weirdest thing happened. The motor fired up and cut out. Then I tried it again and I think I gave it too much gas...you could really smell it. I cranked and cranked and cranked and it would never fire, even after waiting for 10-15 minutes at times. I thought it was just flooded but finally we had to have a fellow boater tow us in. Trailered the boat home, and went out on my buddies boat to try our luck again. When I got home I figured I'd hook it up to the muffs and try it...it started right up. I tried it 10 more times and it started each time perfectly. Any one have any suggestions or thoughts on what the problem could have been or how to keep it from happening again? OMC I/O 2 bbl carb. I think it was flooded due to the strong smell of gas but why didnt it start after waiting a long ime in between cranks? It shouldnt take letting it sit all day before it will fire.

Coast Guard fun: The 2nd time out on my buddies boat we were boarded by the USCG. The 4 guys all looked to be fresh out of boot camp. They go through their routine...drivers license, fire ext., life jackets blah blah. We had some beers in plain view and he proceded to give us the "would you drink while driving a car?" speech. BTW, I am an financial advisor and my friend is a Probation officer so we both know enough to not get plastered; we were only having a casual beer or 2. Anyway, the officer asks us to show him how many beers we have on board..he counted them and wrote the # down, and has us open every compartment on the boat, our tackle boxes and everything to inspect for beer (or maybe something else he thought). He gives my buddy a breath analysis (which took 30 tries because the guys were having to read the manual for the machine) which he blew a .02 (legal is .08) and told us to be careful. Well we watched these guys board about 15 more boats in the course of an hour. We were heading in to the ramp later and guess who pulls in behind us? The Coasties. They wanted to see how many beers we had left!! Then they gave my friend another breathalizer (.04 this time...must have been ALL of those beers) and told us they werent trying to harass us, they were just watching out for us. Now I understand the importance of the Coast Guard and I know the dangers of alcohol and boating (please no lectures) but come on guys...dont you have something better to do with our tax dollars than chase two guys with a 6 pack around all day? These rookies must have to have a quota or something to be so adamant and RUDE about this.

Thanks in advance for help with the flooded engine.
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Old 06-07-2004, 11:21 AM
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Your buddy wants to drink & drive? I want my tax dollars paying the Coasties to make sure he does not drink and drive drunk. How do the Coasties (or any LE agency) determine that you and your buddy are drinking less than Joe redneck who always gets drunk when he goes out in his boat?
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Old 06-07-2004, 11:28 AM
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I want my tax dollars to actually pay for something other than the USCG than harassing two guys drinking beer and fishing. Isn't that a local games wardens job? And why go to all of teh hasle of breathylizing. Isn't it obviosu when someone is really hammered?

I had a few days off last year and got pulled by the same game warden 3 times in one week--twice in one day. He was a complete ass all three times. By the third time, I asked him if he remembered checking me theday before--twice--and he said that " he stopped alot of people. Apparently not--he stopped me 3 times!
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Old 06-07-2004, 11:28 AM
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those "rookies" are out there protecting all our asses, from our enemies and each other...
next time, smile, say yes sir & no sir, and thank you

i have no idea what's wrong with your engine
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Old 06-07-2004, 11:30 AM
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Gee, appfan....maybe you should have explained how important you are in the financial world and they would have left you alone....
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Old 06-07-2004, 11:32 AM
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I appreciate all of the hard work USCG does. We were very polite and did everything the offficers asked us to do. All I was saying is that there is no point in harassing two guys fishing and enjoying 3 beers a piece over 8 hours. They knew after the first stop what we had on board. I just felt there was no need for the second stop. They were just looking to brag to their chief that they bagged their first DWI's.
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Old 06-07-2004, 11:37 AM
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So, I was out on the water the other day, I just opened my 12th can of Bud Light as I went from buzzed to sloppy drunk when these coasties come up - Oops, wrong thread...

Sorry 'bout that...

Yes, give the coasties respect and they will respond twofold to you. I had to tow the USCG Aux guys in last weekend and I guarantee that my respect and care for them when they needed help will pay high didvidends should I need their assistance in the future..

Something to think about..
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Old 06-07-2004, 11:38 AM
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Two opposing goals:

-Protect us from the bad guys by finding and punishing them
-Never check up on us because we are the good guys

Can't have em both. I choose the first and live with the second.

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Old 06-07-2004, 11:46 AM
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appfan99 - 6/7/2004 11:32 AM

I appreciate all of the hard work USCG does. We were very polite and did everything the offficers asked us to do. All I was saying is that there is no point in harassing two guys fishing and enjoying 3 beers a piece over 8 hours. They knew after the first stop what we had on board. I just felt there was no need for the second stop. They were just looking to brag to their chief that they bagged their first DWI's.
Or they were looking out for everyone else.
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Old 06-07-2004, 11:49 AM
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I've always agreed with the statement, "you can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride". Which means you're going to lose at the roadside or, dockside as the case may be.

If you're truly not guilty of anything and, it sounds like you knew you weren't, let Junior and, his classmates do their thing. Be cooperative and, don't give them any ammo to use against you. Make a note of their vehicle number and, ask who their immediate supervisor is.

Once you get home start making calls. Where you're going to win is when their supervisor comes down and invites them to a "come to Jesus" meeting. Also ask the supervisor who their supervisor is. Make sure you go as high in the chain as possible. Remember, $h!t runs down hill...

I'm highly supportive of law enforcement and, the USCG, but appfan's story sounds like he was treated with a heavy hand. In my opinion those Coasties need a talking to because that sort of overzealous, for no good reason, behavior reflects badly on all of authority. That needs to be discouraged.
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Old 06-07-2004, 12:03 PM
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I personally am glad they are out there checking for that.Im no prude when it comes to having a few beers but every one responds to alchol diffrently and the next day it it could be totally different based on how ones body breaks it down As far as being a financial advisor (so am I) that does not really hold water because most of my collegues drink like fish. I applaud you for only having 6 beers between you but what do you think law enforsement should do when they see open containers of alcohol
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Old 06-07-2004, 12:08 PM
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I don't know if it applies here, but there is nothing worse than being courteous and cooperative, and still have an officer be overbearing. It lowers respect for authority and makes the job of law enforcement even harder.

I don't know how many times I have been checked, but I always remember the overzealous ones.

Counting beers would make my blood boil. If I am drunk, fine, cite me, but there is no legal limit to how many beers you can have in a cooler.

It makes a difference on what type of boat you own too. A bass boat running 70 is fishing, a pleasure boat running 70 is being reckless.
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Old 06-07-2004, 12:14 PM
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They can come on my boat as many times as they like. I don't care if you drink a beer or two but there are plenty of people who get wasted and they had full can's/bottles of beer on the way out. I am glad they are there doing what they do. The drunk boater can smash into your boat and hurt people and cause $$$$$$$$$$ of dammage. How many boating accidents happen a year and how many of them are caused by a beer or two. Sun + too many beers = TROUBLE for somebody.
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Old 06-07-2004, 12:19 PM
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OK, I'll give you a break. I agree with the privious 10 responses, but no need to beat a dead horse.

You engine was probably flooded. I've always been told that when it's flooded to open the throttle all the way and leave it there while you get it started. Once it turns over, immediately drop the throttle.
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Old 06-07-2004, 12:42 PM
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I can't believe that I am the only one here with enough ball$ to call this dude an IDIOT. It doesn't matter what kind of job you have, what kind of boating you are doing or what kind of boat you are in. You were both drinking, and continued to drink even after you were stopped. You gave the C.G. every reason to do what they did. It is called probable cause.

These "rookies" will jump in a boat to save your a$$ in any conditions, we should show them some respect.

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Old 06-07-2004, 12:54 PM
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I think appfan was very clear and to the point that he was polite to these guys who spent there entire day watching and waiting for him to make a mistake.
Geez,,,,,listening to some of you people gives me a good understanding of why things are the way there....redlight cameras, sobriety checkpoints where the police stop innocent people without cause. Man,,,,our forefathers that fought against this type of treatment are rolling over in there graves.....
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Old 06-07-2004, 01:03 PM
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Hedjug said it....

Fundamentally, if you were running a boat and drinking any alcohol, you are an a_s. Just because it's legal does not mean that your judgement isn't impaired...and you better believe that your judgement about your judgement is useless. If a passenger drinks, then their judgement is also impaired and when they do something dangerous or stupid, it can distract you, etc.

Education and money have absolutely nothing to do with it.

I would have liked to have seen the coast guard run along side you for the entire day watching to see if you made any mistake at all...and then give you a ticket, even if it wasn't for drinking.

Sorry...no sympathy at all here, except for the coasties who had to let you go out and potentially hurt someone because the law isn't strict enough. (there are many countries where any alcohol at all will get your drivers license suspended).
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Another twist

If they came on my boat and counted the number of "full" beers still on board, it would only take me about 2 seconds (maybe a few more if I had beer on board) to put 1 and 1 togerther and figure out that they had plans to visit my boat at the end of the day.

Why did you think they were counting beers?
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Holy jeez, do we need to talk about politics and guns too? There is a decided difference between drinking and continuing to drink vs. having a couple of beers. I drink beer when I fish. Probably about a beer per hour with gatorade and food mixed in. Never would I blow above the legal limit. While we are banning beer from boats lets talk Prozac, Xanax, and Valium. Lets also check for hours slept the night before as all these can impair our judgement. They call it the legal limit for a reason. Because if you are below it you are legal. I think that means you are breaking no laws but I could be wrong.

They are going to be young. If a kid goes in at 17 or 18 he or she can be running a multi million$ boat before they are 20 years old. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. And yes, they can be overzealous.

Am I ragging the Coast Guard? No. Having been in I have seen good boarding crews and some a$$hole boarding crews. I have been boarded by both. Are they busting the butts to help keep us safe? Yup, and I appreciate it.


I think it was flooded.




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Old 06-07-2004, 01:18 PM
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I never said that they were doing wrong for counting our beers or for even stopping us. I also dont think my employment or money has anything to do with whether or not I should have been stoped. I was simply implying that my friend and I are not lazy asses with nothing to worry about as far as lsoing our jobs, professional licenses, etc. due to a DWI. I cant afford a DWI any more than anyone else on here can. I am always very responsible when behind a wheel of a car or boat. I was more frustrated about the attitudes these guys had and like a few others have said it makes me respect authority a lot more when they treat me with respect. Think about getting pulled over for a police checkpoint or something and getting an officer who is a complete dick...it makes a world of difference when the right words and tone of voice is used. I guess you guys think we should have just handed the officers our keys and turned ourselves in for drinking a beer. It's real easy to be so high and mighty on the message board but I'm sure some of you would be bitchin too if the same thing happened. This is why people get turned off from posting on boards like these because of old fogeys who sit around all day with nothing to do but pass judgement on others for expressing their opinions. Thanks for the input but lets let this thread die. I didnt post to get lectured. The USCG did that yesterday.
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