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Old 07-20-2009, 10:56 AM
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Default any thoughts on honda 225 four strokes?

i would appreciate some feedback on how these engines run, maintenance and known problems, pros and cons.....
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Old 07-20-2009, 11:02 AM
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I know an organization that runs a "few" of them.


http://www.uscg.mil/datasheet/25rbs.asp
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Old 07-20-2009, 11:10 AM
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Reliable is the best way to describe them. I have abused the hell out of them on the 25rbs and most other motors would have had problems. From a preformance standpoint the feel soft. A yamaha or suzuki feels much stronger and harder running but the reliability while good cant match the Honda.
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Old 07-20-2009, 11:16 AM
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Mine is silky smooth and quiet. I only have a little over 200 hours on my 2009 since last Oct but I went with the Honda due to the standard 5 year warranty, their proven reliability, and their fuel economy. They also call for only 86 octane fuel and above so running regular gas in them is perfect too.
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Old 07-20-2009, 11:19 AM
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Default Honda 225 Flush WT Heck ?

Just getting newly aquainted with mine. Here is a great piece of advice ( I think) as my tech's did'nt tell me until my 3rd breakage. The flush hose is not meant to be used (flushing the motor) under full pressure, and also not while engine is running. In other words city water systems push too much pressure through them and they split. This in turn can cause the water to shoot throught the flushing/cooling system too fast and high,- thereby causing the oxygen sensor to malfunction.
Basically, use extremely low water pressure to flush system, or go to a auto parts supply and get a fuel system piece of tubing capable of withstanding your pressure in the hose. This is extremely common according to my place of business ( 3rd boat from them) and Honda is aware of the situation but still refuses to correct it, or admit it.
Otherwise, engine is extremely quiet, and good on gas. Also for gear lube, you need an adaptor for injecting gear lube from a standard pump type bottle cap system. West Marine has them for about $8. Write if you need more specific info.
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I have a 2004 and I am getting ready to turn 1000 hours, with no complaints until the ethanol fuel started, not really Hondas fault. PM me if you want any specifics.
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Two thoughts come to my mind, reliability and efficiency. The BF225 also has good topend power. Prop it to get max rpm.
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Old 07-20-2009, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Topend View Post
Two thoughts come to my mind, reliability and efficiency. The BF225 also has good topend power. Prop it to get max rpm.

My 27 Judge can hit 40mph with a single 225 at 5800-5900rpms. I have been very impressed with its performance as a former optimax owner.
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Originally Posted by B-Faithful View Post
My 27 Judge can hit 40mph with a single 225 at 5800-5900rpms. I have been very impressed with its performance as a former optimax owner.
I had an Australian built 22' Haines Hunter walkaround with a BF225. It did about 42mph @ 6200rpm with a 15p Rev4 prop and a light load.
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Originally Posted by florida1098 View Post
Just getting newly aquainted with mine. Here is a great piece of advice ( I think) as my tech's did'nt tell me until my 3rd breakage. The flush hose is not meant to be used (flushing the motor) under full pressure, and also not while engine is running. In other words city water systems push too much pressure through them and they split. This in turn can cause the water to shoot throught the flushing/cooling system too fast and high,- thereby causing the oxygen sensor to malfunction.
Basically, use extremely low water pressure to flush system, or go to a auto parts supply and get a fuel system piece of tubing capable of withstanding your pressure in the hose. This is extremely common according to my place of business ( 3rd boat from them) and Honda is aware of the situation but still refuses to correct it, or admit it.
Otherwise, engine is extremely quiet, and good on gas. Also for gear lube, you need an adaptor for injecting gear lube from a standard pump type bottle cap system. West Marine has them for about $8. Write if you need more specific info.
Where did this come from???..never heard of that one.
The manual states to not run engine on flush hose but no comment on water pressure. I would assume that you would want the pressure to not be weak but rather strong to get a good flush.

Whats up with the 02? First the exhaust gets modified to fix the water intrusion problem...now "split" flush hoses are damaging them?

By the way, how could the flush hose splitting damage the sensor??? How could you tell if the hose is damaged??.... would you see water on the powerhead or in the pan? would the amount flushing out of the engine or pee hole dimish dramatically?

I hope Honda Dude chimes in.
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I have a 2005 that has been in the shop for a couple months. 125 hours and a forward bearing broke and it ended up stripping gears in the lower unit. Honda authorized a new lower unit but they say they do not have one in the country so the earliest I can expect my boat is the first of August, which I am sure will not happen. Went ahead and just bought another boat with a 2007 250 Yamaha, because I got sick of waiting for my boat, and the Yamaha is quieter in my opinion and am happy so far. As soon as I get my boat back from the shop that will be for sale. Maybe I just got a lemon, but either way I went an entire summer without my boat.
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I have twin 225s, purchased in September, 2003, on my ProKat 2860. They are reliable, economical, quiet, and powerful on a moderately heavy boat. I flush mine with moderate water pressure and the motors turned off, so I am unfamiliar with the flushing issue raised by Florida 1098. I have owned about 15 outboards to date, and these are the best. I'd buy again tomorrow if these disappeared.
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I have a '03 225, 600+ hours. I like it, it has been reliable, minus a fuel issue (ethanol and water). Not Hondas fault, but ethanol and waterin system= $2k bill. The Yammie 250 is quieter, better quality paint and requires 89 fuel. The Honda only requires 87- savings there. The only downside to my Honda 225 is the paint quality isn't the best, but my dealer has been good to me on all other accounts and the motor has a great powerband. 2 items to note- the lower motor inside the lower cowl has to be flushed with fresh water as it collects salt water due to the cavitiation plates on the motor. Its no biggie- Coat with protective coating (CRC or Honda Corrosin guard) and inspect every season.
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I love mine. Quiet, fuel efficient. This is my second year with it. I bought it used with around 280hrs. I figure is it up around 400 now. The "salesman" at the dealer says the coasties have several thousand hours on theirs and they are running strong. I have had two minor issues, I had to replace a starter (seemed to be a dead spot every so often) and the shift cable was replaced. This was due to extremely hard shifting. The dealer said this was an issue in some model years and HP's. Both items were covered under a used warranty that the dealer gave me so no skin off my back. The one downside to the engine is when the V-Tech kicks in around 4500 RPM. There is a noticable acceleration and increased engine noise. Its not really a problem just that I like to cruise around 4200 -4400 RPM so if the throttle gets bump you get the V-Tech increase.
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Old 07-20-2009, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DeepDrop View Post
Where did this come from???..never heard of that one.
The manual states to not run engine on flush hose but no comment on water pressure. I would assume that you would want the pressure to not be weak but rather strong to get a good flush.

By the way, how could the flush hose splitting damage the sensor??? How could you tell if the hose is damaged??.... would you see water on the powerhead or in the pan? would the amount flushing out of the engine or pee hole dimish dramatically?

I hope Honda Dude chimes in.
Oh yeah, it's real and it does happen, not just to 225's and actually, not just to Hondas. Happened to me on a Honda 90. What you will see is water running or dripping out the bottom front of the cowling when you tip the engine up. Taste it and it's fresh. (Depending on how tight your cowling seal is.) IF you pull the cowling soon after flushing, yes, you will see water all over in there. After I found out, I decided how you find out depends on how much of a dumb ass you are (I was a pretty big one.) Ashamed to say, how I found the problem was hearing the water spraying around in there. In my defense, to remove my cowling, I have to either pull the boat onto the trailer or beach it.) In Honda's defense, the hose was probably as old as the motor, which was nine years at that time. But it looked real good on visual, not soft, hard, or cracked....just split.

Once it's split, the more water pressure you run into it (which you will, because while the pee stream looks normal, you will notice not enough flush water is running out the bottom) what you are doing is creating a whirlpool inside the cowling. I can see that enough water on the O2 sensor could not be good for it.

The one bright spot is IF all the check valves are still working as they should, at least you won't get any sea (salt) water out the split while running the engine.

All you need for pressure on the flush is enough to clean the little water passages in the engine. Nothing in there is very big, and you DO NOT need much pressure. And yes, I think Honda should at least mention the dangers of excessive pressure in the manual (as you said, they don't.)
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Please understand I am no expert. This is my first Honda Marine. Ive had two Whalers, both with Merc 4 strokes which get flushed with motor running, Someone told me (again no expert) that those heads were built by Yami for Mercury.
Anyway, on 3 occassions I hooked up my garden hose to the flushing hose on the Honda and walked away after confirming hook-up. I came back each time to find a split in the roughly 16 inch Honda flushing hose. ( Water was shooting out of split in hose ) No big problem I thought, maybe just a bad hose or maybe I cut it somehow w/o knowing. The first two times I just took the hose to my Honda dealer, they replaced and said it was a common problem, Honda knows of it and it is covered under warranty.The 3rd time the water apparently (according to the tech) got past one of the manifolds and activated the 02 sensor, again a common ailment I'm told which sounded the beeping alarm. This time I brought the boat to the shop and finally all this was explained to me. The main theme the tech kept telling me is there is too much pressure in city water ( I believe he said 70-80 psi ) and this shoots past the 1-way intake valve up into some manifold. Just for your knowledge, as I did'nt know, the hanging flush hose is not a circulating round system. The cap end where it screws on to the motor is just a mold on the motor, designed to hold the cap at the end of the hose from hanging, that end goes absolutely no where. (not an intake) Where it goes in the other end is a 1 way valve designed to let water in, not out up into the system. Theoretically, you could run the boat all day w/o the hose on at all and do no damage as the 1-way valve is closed except when water shot through opens it. How much water PSI appears to be the problem. There is a website I found called www. marineengine.com ( or close to that name) that lists problems concerning all brands of motors. If you look up the 225 the oxygen sensor issue is number 1, I suspect because of the water pressure issue. I don't know, but do have a basic unsderstanding of mechanical issues. If Honda told everyone not to use standard pressure from a garden hose it would be admitting a design flaw.
Anyway, I do wish my Everglades came with a Yamaha, but it did''t. I've owned 4 Honda autos which ran like rolex's, but can't say the same yet for this Marine unit. Good luck, and remember to have that adaptor on hand BEFORE changing lower gear unit fluid. I'm still getting it off my dog.
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Old 07-21-2009, 06:30 AM
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Also, just real qiuck, mine is an 08 with 56 hours. I did'nt mean to run on too long above, but the real bottom line is 3 hoses split and one 02 sensor broke. If you believe the water pressure explainantion, great, if not great also. In the 70's, when Schwinn Bicycles was a real manufacturing company, I was the tech advisor for the 1-week certification class in Edison NJ. All shops in order to carry Schwinn had to have one tech pass the class. Included welding, frame straightening, brazing and building and spoking wheels. For those of you dinosaurs, we had to take apart and rebuild a Sturmey Archer 5 speed coaster brake hub in less than a half hour. There had to be 50 pawls in there if there was one. Then in the 80's I became the certified mechanic for Kawasaki, Suzuki of Manhattan NYC. ( on 57st). I do have a basic understanding of mechanical things and am capable of hooking up a garden hose to a coupling. That part was done correct, the rest is for the rest to decide.
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Old 07-21-2009, 06:55 AM
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jesus!!!! from what I've read its almost better NOT to flush these engines!

any chance that using the ear muffs is a better way to flush since the excessive water pressure can just run out of the muffs if you "open" them a bit?
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There are no ear muffs big enough to completely cover the intakes. They look like they do ( specifically West Marines pro units for $ 22 largest I could find) but the motor overheat alarm goes off within a minute. I even tried buying a kids swimming pool, garbage can, rubbermaid container, to use as a fresh water basin but too expensive and none submerged intakes. Bottom line, just flush with low pressure for a few minutes, it is an otherwise excellent moter. Did'nt mean to try and sound like it was'nt, these are just small quirks you should know. I am a big Honda fan, and knowing these little things would have been a great comfort.
Now getting gear fluid off dog is another subject.
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There are no ear muffs big enough to completely cover the intakes. .
I call BS on this. I have a set of muffs I bought at west in '97 that work fine, have run my 225 on muffs many times for extended periods with no issues.
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