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Old 07-21-2009, 10:54 AM
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The large Moeller muffs (from West Marine) work fine on my 225.

Intakes are completely covered and have run engine up to 20 min. with no problems.
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Old 07-21-2009, 10:59 AM
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MYTURN, I am glad you're muffs worked fine. You did'nt have to call me BS'er. A simple " mine work fine" would have sufficed. In fact if you did'nt call me a liar I would have actually tried the muffs from WestMarine again. I did not write anything that happened to me that was untrue. I simply was trying to enlighten the OP about my own personal experience I claimed nothing more. I am sorry if I offended you. Perhaps if you coud have suggested another reason my alarm went off you would gain some respect. Yeah, I'm a BS'er but you're a rude uncourteous animal. This will be my last post on this site due to rude discouteous animals like you, as I am obviously not worthy to be in the same website as you, MYTURN. I'm obviously a BS'er who took time during my meal period to answer the question and sorry to waste your time, someone so obviously educated. Now I remember why I have'nt and won't answer these OP's with personal experince. Maybe someday I'll be the lucky one who observes you w/o an operable turn light or undersized fish.

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Old 07-21-2009, 12:01 PM
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Great motors so far, quiet, I troll with them,one at a time .5 gph.
34mph/3700rpm/2.25mpg.is the best I can achieve.
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Old 07-21-2009, 12:23 PM
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Florida 1098,

Dont let it razzle you. ....This site could be full of good stuff and real life info which can better than the generic answers we get from our dealers.

Case in point the info on this very thread .....info which the dealer and even the manual never made available to me.
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Old 07-21-2009, 12:38 PM
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I also had the same problem that Florida1098 reported using the pro - series muffs from West Marine. They seemed to work sometimes and other times the overheat alarm would go off. I ended up rotating the "muff" part 90 deg's. They seem to cover the intakes fully now and I have not had the overheat alarm go off since. I use the hose flushing port as a quick flush but believe that there is no substitute for using the muffs to flush the impeller as well, IMO.
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Old 07-21-2009, 01:28 PM
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This is my experience with muffs on my old BF225.

My Honda was new and after getting back from using it for the first time I proceded to flush the motet using muffs. I had a water pressure gauge fitted so I kept one eye on this. The gauge indicated zero, no pressure at all.

I contacted my dealer. He told me to get a larger diameter garden hose and connect to a tap closest to the mains. I did this and it works fine ever since.

I continue to use this large hose for flushing my Verado and have never had a problem with pressure or temp.

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Old 07-21-2009, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by florida1098 View Post
MYTURN, I am glad you're muffs worked fine. You did'nt have to call me BS'er. A simple " mine work fine" would have sufficed. In fact if you did'nt call me a liar I would have actually tried the muffs from WestMarine again. I did not write anything that happened to me that was untrue. I simply was trying to enlighten the OP about my own personal experience I claimed nothing more. I am sorry if I offended you. Perhaps if you coud have suggested another reason my alarm went off you would gain some respect. Yeah, I'm a BS'er but you're a rude uncourteous animal. This will be my last post on this site due to rude discouteous animals like you, as I am obviously not worthy to be in the same website as you, MYTURN. I'm obviously a BS'er who took time during my meal period to answer the question and sorry to waste your time, someone so obviously educated. Now I remember why I have'nt and won't answer these OP's with personal experince. Maybe someday I'll be the lucky one who observes you w/o an operable turn light or undersized fish.
Just joined and the first post I go to has a Forum Bully. Dont fret 1098 I belong to 12 forums and every one has a few. Just rember he is probley a geek that got picked on in school.
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Old 07-21-2009, 02:02 PM
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Tom,

you do have to turn the rectangular outlet so its parallel to the water intake, if not it wont seal properly.
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Old 07-21-2009, 02:16 PM
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I have two 225's and they seem good and strong.

I had a O2 senor go on mine, not do to flushing but do to the exhaust design.

My dealer is updating the exhaust and replacing the O2 sensor. Not happy with the problem but Honda seems to be doing the right thing.

Other than that issue they have been great. They are much stronger than the Yami 225's which are known as Yami 208's. The Yami 250 is a good engine, in the 225 HP category the Honda is better.
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Old 07-21-2009, 03:34 PM
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thank you everyone.
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:00 PM
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Hey, sorry to all those I may have offended. Rough day on patrol, and spent my meal and personal time writing my posts, not a great typist as you can tell and it took my whole 45 minutes from a 12 hour shift. After 27 years on patrol, the one and only one thing I have not grown a thick skin is to rude people. people are people in any job, anywhere, and I just hate to spend my time being called a BS'ER by someone behind a PC screen. I meet cops from all over and some I would hate deal with, and others are beautiful human beings, just like in any walk of life. I had no reason to lie about my issues, and while writing them I wished someone had informed me of those small problems I wrote of even if they were rare and far-between.
No matter what I did with the muffs the alarm went off, again only on my motor. Each engine is different.
again, sorry for the quick response, it won't happen again, I learned from all the responses after mine.
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Old 07-22-2009, 03:55 AM
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I don't understand the muff issue?

I have a old single sided muff that does not fit very tight. It still provides more than enough water and I would rather not have that much pressure.
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Old 07-22-2009, 04:48 AM
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I have a 2002 225 that I purchased new:

Pro:
1. Quiet
2. Reliable
3. Minimal fuel burn

Con:
1. I have spilt two flush hoses in 7 years, yes, you have to watch the flushing pressure but not a big deal and it would not stop me from buying another Honda
2. Shifting into neutral is difficult. I replaced the cables and it got much better but still is not right. Alleged to be a problem that that year motor. I don't know if it is fixed in later year models. If not, that would stop me from buying another Honda.
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Old 07-22-2009, 05:42 AM
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I will make one comment on the dispute: the post that started the fight stated that "there are no muffs big enough" rather than saying "I have not been able to find muffs big enough". Big difference in meanings of the two statements.
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Old 07-24-2009, 05:51 PM
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Florida 1098 (Charlie)

About what your dealer told you about city water; he was right, but actually, it is often much worse (that is, higher) than 70-80 lbs. Many municipal systems, at various spots and times of day, will run well over 100 psi,sometimes over 150. These actually will require pressure reducing valves in homes to cut the pressure to where it is safe for the water inlet valves on dishwashers, washing machines, etc. As you also mentioned from your reading, it is not just Hondas that have had this problem.

Like another poster said, I'm not too upset about this. The split hose was nine years old, and now that I know, I'll never split another. But still, should be in the manual.

What do you "patrol"? Police, military, ?
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Old 07-24-2009, 09:03 PM
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I don't use the flush out hose myself, but I don't see how it could possibly cause water to back up backwards into the exhaust system and ruin the O2 sensor. If water went that high into the exhaust manifold, it would also go into the cylinders. I have seen hoses blow off from the ends, but never split. I replace the clips that Honda uses with small hose clamps. BTW, when the BF225 is running at high RPM, the water pressure is around 25 - 28psi.

Regarding the muffs, DO NOT USE THE RECTANGULAR ONES, especially on smaller engines. The problem is the long muffs don't conform to the curvature of the lower unit very well, and let too much water go out the sides of the muffs, instead of forcing it into the water pickup. Do yourself a favor and use the cheap $6 round West Marine muffs. They work the best.

Lastely, some of the '02 models were hard to shift. I sold several engines (including the ones on my own boat) that were really hard to shift. They would shift fine while running on a hose, but not in the water. Strange. Everyone who was having a problem was using aluminum propellers. All were replaced with stainless props and the problem went away.
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