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Old 04-20-2009, 08:04 PM
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Unhappy Part 7 - - - You will not believe today

The roller coaster ride continues

After spending the day at the boat we have come across with a few surprises . . . some were big

Ed will post as you will likely not believe the story from me

Looks like I will be here for two more days
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Old 04-20-2009, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by auguste View Post
The ride continues

we have come across with a few surprises . . . some were big


Looks like I will be here for two more days
Perv!
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Old 04-20-2009, 08:30 PM
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The way things are going you might want the owner to take a ride offshore to see if it makes it back before you risk more than your dough on a seatrail.

Good luck Gus.
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Old 04-20-2009, 08:32 PM
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Walk away. If it starts bad, it ends worse. I dont want to have to quote this post in 6 months.
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Old 04-20-2009, 08:33 PM
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Auguste,don't get attatched to the boat,there are plenty more where that came from.I can't wait to hear what else happened though.
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You must want this boat bad............
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Old 04-20-2009, 11:01 PM
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Lets see....

Gus and I drove back to the boat sometime after 5:30 PM, and found that the mechanic had already arrived, and was in the process of transferring his tools and equipment aboard. We lent him a hand, helping him get setup as quickly as possible.

I then fired up the reverse-cycled heat and cranked the thermostats on the HVAC panels on up to 80 degrees to keep warm and help chase out the dampness...it was, after all, 48 degrees out and raining hard. Gus had commented that the rain felt one degree or so away from turning into hail or sleet. And it had been a balmy 81 just a couple of days before.

Within an hour or so the mechanic had removed both rocker covers, the cross-over lines, injector hold-downs, and the injectors themselves, from both banks of the starboard engine. He then enlisted my help in positioning and bolting down the inner-bank exhaust manifold, so he could perform a cooling system leak-down test. His partner in-crime arrived just about then, and helped him check for coolant leaks by peering down the injector tube bores while the system was pressurized. He had a helluva time getting around the outboard bank to do this, and we kidded him about the possibility of getting himself wedged in There appeared to be a coolant leak in the center and last cylinder of the inboard bank.

At about this time, Gus and I decided to break for dinner (it was well after 8 PM), and told both mechanics that we'd return within an hour.

While we were on our way back to the boat (and less than 1/2 mile away from it), the seller called to inform us that the mechanics had stopped working and gone home for the night, as it was impossible to proceed any further at that point.

It seems that after they'd removed the inner bank cylinder head, they discovered that all the cylinder bores in that bank had been scoured, and the starboard engine was therefore in need of a liner and piston kit....and that's where I'll leave it for tonight, kiddies....
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Old 04-21-2009, 02:32 AM
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The worst of it is that you never really know if they will fix it properly or just toss it back together for sale. If you know the bores are scored and the engine needs pistons and liners, what are the chances that an "in the block" rebuild will last?

I know that all used boats are used and that none of them are problem free, but anyone else who is looking for a similar boat should now have a list of several boats not to bother with because of the days you've lost to the search.
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Old 04-21-2009, 04:18 AM
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Gus,

It sounds like 6-71's.
I don't know what boat you are looking at, but it readss like a late 80's to mid 90's 38-40' boat with 435/450/485 tib's. if it is, spend some time at boatdiesel.com and read all about how they never last more than a 1000 hours before their first rebuild and then 500-700 hours thereafter - that is $30,000 per pair for rebuilds every 3-4 seasons. If you really like the boat, a lot, and get it cheap enough, you could drop a pair of Cummins 450C remans with new zf-280a's in for $70,000 and have modern reliable power, that is 1000 lbs lighter per pair with new gears that will be good for the next 3,000+ hours.
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Old 04-21-2009, 04:30 AM
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The engines are 6V92s

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The boat is in great shape and very solid . . . we are having problems getting to the bottom on what or was not done on the engines as it was listed has having major overhauls 300 hours ago
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Gus, you've probably heard this before, but sleeves are not the way to go. They are very popular and common, but they lead to many long term issues (warning - religious debate coming).

The better approach is to bore and move up in size on the pistons.

This guy has some major headaches right now, good luck.
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disregard the last post evidently GERG knows nothing about Detroit diesels
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Old 04-21-2009, 05:07 AM
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I would be running away from this boat. Do not walk, RUN! There are to many good deals out there. If you want a bertram get one thats been done over with 4 s diesels and save in the long run.
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Originally Posted by gerg View Post
Gus, you've probably heard this before, but sleeves are not the way to go. They are very popular and common, but they lead to many long term issues (warning - religious debate coming).

The better approach is to bore and move up in size on the pistons.

This guy has some major headaches right now, good luck.

Repeat that please??????
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General concensus is that you should not invest any more time or effort into this boat. It sounds like it was misrepresented and is waiting to have more problems. As people are saying there are a lot of boats out there, you should look elsewhere.
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Sorry to hear about all this.

Remember the days when you used to pay more for diesels because they were more bulletproof than gas, safer due to lack of fulems and higher ignition temps, and the fuel was so much cheaper?

I'm wondering if we have approached the breakeven line when it come to diesels over gas given fuel prices and the ease of maintaining, fixing, or even replacing gas engines.

Are a couple of Detriots or Cats really worth paying 70-100K more for than a couple of Crusaders?
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Gus

If it were not for bad luck, you would have no luck at all. You have been way to patient with the New Jersey brokers and owners, it's time to make a change. I am standing by waiting for your call so we can head to Florida and look at boats down there and hopefully change your luck!
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Maybe from one perspective it's bad luck, from another it's good luck. I would much rather know all of these problems before the purchase. A few days or a week of grief with no commitment, the alternative is to be the guy in the post above this one "New Boat I'm Screwed" now he has boat problems and a commitment of a 250k note!!!!
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Originally Posted by Menzies View Post
Sorry to hear about all this.

Remember the days when you used to pay more for diesels because they were more bulletproof than gas, safer due to lack of fulems and higher ignition temps, and the fuel was so much cheaper?

I'm wondering if we have approached the breakeven line when it come to diesels over gas given fuel prices and the ease of maintaining, fixing, or even replacing gas engines.

Are a couple of Detriots or Cats really worth paying 70-100K more for than a couple of Crusaders?
They would be for any boat capable of holding a couple of 6V92's. No Crusaders made would be able to push a boat that size.
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Old 04-21-2009, 06:26 AM
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Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Find another boat, at least start out with one that isn't in pieces on the cockpit floor? Geez.
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