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Old 04-28-2004, 12:10 PM
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Any advice from anyone that has done this, looking to make some time so outside if weather is good would be nice. NYC to West Palm Fla, boat is a 36 diesel sportfisherman.

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Old 04-28-2004, 01:31 PM
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I know about Georgia and Florida. Run outside as much as possible. You will have to deal with no wake zones somewhat in Ga, but a lot in Fl. I would suggest running down the beach if weather permits. The majority of no wakes start in Jacksonville. It will take you a full 12 hours to get from there to Ft. Pierce. South of Ft. Pierce, it is basically 100% no wake. I have a 34' express and have been forced to run the ICW a few times down to West Palm. It takes forever. Running outside, you can make it from Jacsonville to West Palm in 6 hours running 30 knots.
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Old 04-28-2004, 02:17 PM
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In NJ I would skip the ICW. Run outside from Rariatn Bay. I would think you could easily make it to Cape May in one shot maybe even OC, MD if you pushed it. If you want to break it up you can overnight in AC. $4/ft for overnight but is does have some nice amenities. Just don't bet the boat.
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Old 04-28-2004, 02:19 PM
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Fuel up in Georga (better price than FL) and run the outside to WPB. If you need to duck inside, Port Canaveral is slow going due to speed zones. Sebastian Inlet is strictly local knowledge. There's no channel between the Inlet and the ICW even though the channel markers indicate safe passage. Ft Pierce is a good inlet to run with plenty of marinas and fuel docks around.
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Old 04-28-2004, 04:35 PM
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I've done the trip more times than I can count. You can basically run outside anywhere except around Hatteras weather permitting. Of course you can run around Hatteras too, but ther is no reason to. If the weather was perfect you would run outside from NYC to the bottom of the Chesapeake, then run the ditch inside of Hatteras, pop back out when you can and run the outside to FLA. Of course anytime youu hit incliment weather you can run inside.

Usually when we do it we will run up the del bay then back down the chesapeake (just so we can stop in Annapolis), then cruise the ditch to Beaufort, then usually end up poping inside and outside all the way down as weather permits. Only one time did I ever do the ditch where I was outside the whole way (except hatteras) from Lauderdale to NYC and we did it in three days!! Running an average of 18 hours a day!



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Old 04-28-2004, 07:05 PM
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Ran from New Smyrna to Charleston jetties in 8 hours - running outside - with a 2 - 3 ft following sea in a 34 Intrepid @ 30mph. We drew a strait line and were never further than 60 miles from the coast. Took us 2 days to get from Hollywood to Smyrna in the ditch - lots of no wake but a nice ride. If you have never run the ditch in coastal SC and GA then I would recommend it for the scenery assuming time is not an issue.

Because of the curve of the SE coast - you can draw a strait line from Hattaras south to anywhere in middle FL and probably get there on one tank of fuel - weather permitting. But - you will miss the best part of the waterway (minus Myrtle Beach).
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Old 04-28-2004, 09:36 PM
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Beware of the shoals off Cape Lookout NC...
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Old 04-29-2004, 07:36 AM
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You want to run outside in Fla if at all possible to avoid bridges (some of which open on demand, some of which open on a schedule, with no discernible rationale) and no wake zones, and you want to run inside from the southern Chesapeake through NC to avoid the humongous distance you must travel east to clear the OBX. Otherwise, call it by the weather.
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Old 04-29-2004, 12:01 PM
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Great info, thanks everyone!
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Also, beware of Frying Pan shoals off the Cape Fear. Run on the outside of the tower.
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Old 04-29-2004, 02:20 PM
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MarlinMike, If I remember correctly this is the way that my uncle's captain always took going North and South and this is also the route that most delivery captains always take.

Miami Fl to St Augustine FL (outside)
St Augustine FL to Charleston SC (outside)
Charleston SC to Beaufort NC (outside)
Beaufort NC to Norfolk Va (inside)
Norfolk VA to Atlantic City NJ (outside)

It would take us 5 days

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Old 04-30-2004, 12:08 AM
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You can run inside the light at frying pan shoals. Going south run the FP 2 then FP 4 buoy any you'll be fine.

Just ran it going north delivering a 48 motor yacht. no problems. Going all the way out past the light is out of your way.

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Old 05-01-2004, 10:33 AM
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Default Beware of shoaling - watch your tides

Dredging has stopped on much of the ICW due to lack of funds, and the shoaling is the worst at the Little River in NC, and Lockwood's Folley in SC. Lockwood's Folley has always been the worst for shoaling, but now at low tide it can be unpassable for larger boats.

I don't know the timeframe of your trip, but the Dismal Swamp Canal may soon loose its lock keepers - which would shut it down. The new budget begins in June, which may be the cutoff time depending upon the final decision made by our gov't.

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If you are a BoatUS member be sure to read the article in the May issue. It documents the tragic accident resulting in a captain losing his life offshore just south Cape Lookout. Ironically, the shoaling issue at Lockwood Folly, almost 100 miles south of Cape Lookout, contributed to this tragic chain of events.
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Old 05-01-2004, 02:57 PM
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The Boat U.S. article is available online.

http://www.boatus.com/news/mayday05_04.htm
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Old 05-03-2004, 10:13 AM
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There are a ton of option for this as far as stops. It also depends upon your fuel burn range and speed but here is a schedule I use from S Jersey. ( Just add a day for you)

Cape May - Norfolk 146 NM Outiside Add 60 NM if you want to go down to coinjock NC
Coinjock - WrightsVille Inside
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Norfolk- Moorehead City Inside on SOunds
Moorehead - Charleston- 201 NM Outiside
or Moorehead to Bald Head Island Cape Fear Inside
Cape Fear to St. SImons outside 245 NM or Cape Fear to Charleston Inside
Charleston - St Augustine Outside 160 Nm
St. Augustine Palm Beach Outside 190 NM
When the wind blows hard from the NW and you are leaving St. SImons you need to stay off the beach to St. Mary's but then you can hug the coast real tight. run down to Ponce Inlet and go in there and then you can pretty hard on the indian river on down.
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