Notices

2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

Old 12-24-2008, 09:41 AM
  #1  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 4
Default 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

getting ready to purchase one of these boats looking for any info about ride handling how much fuel they burn per hour. Any info from a owner or past owner would be great before I go through with the deal. Boat will be used mainly in Chesapeake bay and may the ocean.
reelmagic47 is offline  
Old 12-24-2008, 11:29 AM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Landlocked, Wi
Posts: 48,777
Default RE: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

Might want to join www.fishtheclassic.net , devotees of all things Shamrock! I'm leaning towards one in the future.There's quite a few owners inyour area.
GhostShip is offline  
Old 12-24-2008, 03:36 PM
  #3  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 4
Default RE: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

thanks for the info about the the sight looked at it very interesting
reelmagic47 is offline  
Old 12-24-2008, 06:30 PM
  #4  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Middleburg
Posts: 338
Default RE: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

reelmagic47 - 12/24/2008 9:41 AM

getting ready to purchase one of these boats looking for any info about ride handling how much fuel they burn per hour. Any info from a owner or past owner would be great before I go through with the deal. Boat will be used mainly in Chesapeake bay and may the ocean.
Had that very boat and I am so happy it is gone. I have owned three shammys so I can speak about them. You could not pay me to own one again the are cheaply built and super slow the pound you to death, the screw vibrate out and after three tries never again. Choose something else.
cantfish is offline  
Old 12-24-2008, 06:48 PM
  #5  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGERPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Maui and SoCal
Posts: 7,103
Default Re: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

As you may know, the hulls feature "keel drive" where the engine sits amidsihp and the screw is in the keel, much like many larger sailboats. It seems like a good idea, but the same design means the transom is an usual shape. There are people who love 'em and people who hate them. I demo'd two different Shamrocks and coud not deal with what felt like the boat wanting to heel and broach in a following sea. So, with that in mind, before you write the check, take the boat out in good sized seas and drive it in a circle about a mile in diameter. That way you'll get a feel of how it acts at all points to the sea. Flat water demos hide too many sins. You'll also find that the resale market is smaller because of the smaller market appeal.
kerno is offline  
Old 12-24-2008, 09:18 PM
  #6  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Danvers Ma./Charleston WV
Posts: 2,369
Default RE: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

reelmagic47 - 12/24/2008 9:41 AM

getting ready to purchase one of these boats looking for any info about ride handling how much fuel they burn per hour. Any info from a owner or past owner would be great before I go through with the deal. Boat will be used mainly in Chesapeake bay and may the ocean.
Thats the same year and model I have The simple on it is......... It will burn about 10gph averag, depending upon conditions. The ride is extremely stable and will take most aything thrown at it. It is least comfortable in a following sea, as it tends to keel-walk a bit. I think you will find that it handles like a larger boat from a comfort and stability standpoint. They are pretty quiet at lower speeds, dont smoke, and offer the benefit of a clean transom. The cuddy is barely enough to sleep in (although I have done it once or twice , but it does a nice job of offering dry storage, a place to use the porta potty, and a place to hide from the elements

The biggest downsides are, that they can be a bit on the wet side, from a spray standpoint, and they take some time and patience to learn how to back into a slip. They are also not very fast, with 25 mph being on the upper end of comfortable speed. 35 mph would be max, and honestly not real comfortable.

Rock solid boat..........well worth having!
MONSTAWHALA is offline  
Old 12-25-2008, 07:40 AM
  #7  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: 1984 35 Bertram NJ
Posts: 5,914
Default Re: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

A couple of guys have shown pictures of 22 shamrocks with broken hulls. Fishtheclassic removes any bad pics and any and all negative comments on the older shamrocks. I even got ban from the site. They could not stand the truth. The newer ones may be fine; but the older ones have lots of warts. I own a 1981 20 shamrock. It is not well built, very wet, very loud, very slow for the horsepower, takes water through the scuppers with 3 or more on board, but the little sucker can run through damn near anything. It is more like a submarine; but it will crash through big waves. It runs a following sea well you just have to trim it right, no trim at all. Headsea put in full trim and punch away. Make sure you have a mask and snorkel. I treat it like an old beater pickup truck. I do not take it in the ocean; but run it around the Barnegat Bay. The keel protects the prop in the shallow parts. I have ran it hard aground with no damage mud or soft sand only. I would not buy another; but it is what it is.
CB Haws is offline  
Old 12-25-2008, 06:01 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: An island in Maine
Posts: 1,410
Default Re: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

My 22' burned 15 gal an hour at 20 mph. It was so loud you couldnt talk while underway. It was so wet that I left the windshield wiper on ALL THE TIME when I was heading offshore, it was the wettest boat I have ever ridden in no doubt about it. When people say they are wet boats, believe them, never seen anything like it and I have been boating all my life.

Mine was also a piss poor design all the way around. Who puts the fuel pickups in the FRONT of the tanks? I could only get about 25 gallons out of my 44 gallon tanks and then I needed to go at idle speed to avoid sucking up air. This is just COMMON SENSE and it never should have been designed this way.

The motor mounts rot out.

The lag bolts holding the steering ram to the stingers are NOT stainless and they rot away leaving you in a dangerous situation without any warning.

The oil pan is in bilge water pretty much all the time.

The starters are hard to reach and low in the hull near bilge water.

The spark plugs are difficult to change.

The exhaust system uses cast iron "pipes", waiting to rot out and sink the boat. These are hidden by exhaust wrap.

The screws holding the deck down do not stay seated.

The scuppers let water in.

My 22 had a bad list to starboard which drew comments at every dock and many people checking hatches to make sure it wasnt sinking, pretty embarrassing to tell them its just "normal".

The hull to cap joint leaks and lets water in while underway, pretty normal I hear for these boats. Since mine was a cuddy, there was always water in the cabin, wife loved having all her stuff soaked.

Many will try to get you to drink the cool-aid, but form your own opinions based on operating the boat.

Johnshan is offline  
Old 12-25-2008, 06:24 PM
  #9  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Puerto Rico
Posts: 2,320
Default Re: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

You forgot to say that your boat sank before you bought it and that's why it had so many issues. I have a 1984 20 cc and the only thing I don't like about the boat is that its wet but I really don't care because I use it to go to the beach.
micky is offline  
Old 12-25-2008, 06:55 PM
  #10  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Middleburg
Posts: 338
Default Re: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

I repeat pick something else!!
cantfish is offline  
Old 12-25-2008, 07:52 PM
  #11  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Danvers Ma./Charleston WV
Posts: 2,369
Default Re: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

cantfish - 12/25/2008 6:55 PM

I repeat pick something else!!
I have had a great luck with mine, as have many others. I am curious that you kept going back to the brand for some reason........... Whatever the reason, sorry you had such luck.



As for John and CBS comments....................A Shamrock thread without their bashing wouldnt be complete!! Both of them bought beat up both with bad history, no surveys engine or otherwise, and choose to continuously blame the brand. Its pretty easy to discount their comments for that reason.


As with any boat, get a survey and take run on it..............That should answer all your questions or concerns.
MONSTAWHALA is offline  
Old 12-26-2008, 05:13 AM
  #12  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: An island in Maine
Posts: 1,410
Default Re: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

It is funny to me that "monstawhala" seems to know more than I did about my own boat, since he never saw it or knew the history of it I think its strange that he feels the need to make up stories. One of the mechanical gurus on Fishtheclassic knew my boat for years before I bought it and came out and said it was a fine example if that means anything.


I am here to let everyone know what my experiences were with the brand because I bought my vessel mostly due to the fact that the peanut gallery kept telling me how awesome these boats are. I did a sea-trail in flat calm weather, did it 3 times actually before pulling the trigger. I saw the fuel flow meter was all over the place (broken) and took someones word online that 10 gph at 20 mph was in fact reality- it was not even close.

After nearly a year of ownership I had to face the facts that these are poorly designed boats. I was blessed when I went down to the dock 2 weeks after my wife had our baby to find it half underwater, due to scuppers being so low combined with record breaking rainfall. The fact that it sat there and the marina never noticed made me choose a new marina for this season for my new boat, but thats another story.

Don't believe anything you read, and only half of what you see and you will be fine.
Johnshan is offline  
Old 12-26-2008, 06:03 AM
  #13  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Danvers Ma./Charleston WV
Posts: 2,369
Default Re: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

Johnshan - 12/26/2008 5:13 AM

It is funny to me that "monstawhala" seems to know more than I did about my own boat, since he never saw it or knew the history of it I think its strange that he feels the need to make up stories. One of the mechanical gurus on Fishtheclassic knew my boat for years before I bought it and came out and said it was a fine example if that means anything.


I am here to let everyone know what my experiences were with the brand because I bought my vessel mostly due to the fact that the peanut gallery kept telling me how awesome these boats are. I did a sea-trail in flat calm weather, did it 3 times actually before pulling the trigger. I saw the fuel flow meter was all over the place (broken) and took someones word online that 10 gph at 20 mph was in fact reality- it was not even close.

After nearly a year of ownership I had to face the facts that these are poorly designed boats. I was blessed when I went down to the dock 2 weeks after my wife had our baby to find it half underwater, due to scuppers being so low combined with record breaking rainfall. The fact that it sat there and the marina never noticed made me choose a new marina for this season for my new boat, but thats another story.

Don't believe anything you read, and only half of what you see and you will be fine.


Its even funnier that you kept this boat for as long as you did, went offshore as much as you claimed to have done, and never said word one about having the wipers on the entire time you owned the boat.

I have often wondered why this FTC guru as you call him, thought your boat was nice before you bought it, but then it turned out to be otherwise??? Either he isnt much of a guru, or you did a number on that boat after you bought it. My guess is you did a number on it. At the end of the day you opted for a completely different style of boat, which means you didnt like what you bought from day one, for other reasons.............It gets annoying because you slam the entire brand, just because you bought a specific POS . I think it stinks that you ended up with a crap boat, but dont constantly slam the entire brand every chance you get .

Shamrock makes an excellent boat, and has many, many happy owners out there. It has its downsides, like most boats, simply that
MONSTAWHALA is offline  
Old 12-26-2008, 06:33 AM
  #14  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Weddington, NC
Posts: 2,623
Default RE: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

deleted

Squid Row is offline  
Old 12-26-2008, 06:43 AM
  #15  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Portsmouth RI
Posts: 4,153
Default Re: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

If your use is the Chesapeake Bay and ocean.......there are so many better riding boats to consider, you aren't taking river and inland waterway use here. Take a ride in one and then something else. If you are set on inboard power in that size boat there oviously aren't a lot of other choices. At 22' an IB engine takes up a huge amount of otherwise dry storage area available. If you want a real shocking ride comparison go for a spin on a Albemarle 24 (outdrive boat, rare in OB power), in doing that you have now tried out the extremes of both ends of hull design.
Sleeper is offline  
Old 12-26-2008, 07:59 AM
  #16  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Mobile, AL
Posts: 2,862
Default Re: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

Sleeper - 12/26/2008 6:43 AM

If your use is the Chesapeake Bay and ocean.......there are so many better riding boats to consider, you aren't taking river and inland waterway use here. Take a ride in one and then something else. If you are set on inboard power in that size boat there oviously aren't a lot of other choices. At 22' an IB engine takes up a huge amount of otherwise dry storage area available. If you want a real shocking ride comparison go for a spin on a Albemarle 24 (outdrive boat, rare in OB power), in doing that you have now tried out the extremes of both ends of hull design.
Comparing the Albemarle to the Rock is not a fair comparision. The Albemarle has a Deep-V and was designed for a higher hull speed. The Rock was designed with a modified V for a slower hull speed. The Albemarle will also burn a good bit more fuel compared to the Rock. I have fished a 22 shamrock since 96 and I love it. Sure on calm days guys will go off and leave you, but when it gets rough (true 3-5's, 4-6's not THT 3-5's 4-6's) you will be doing 12-14 knots just like everyone else but alot more comfortably (via the keel).
timothyj is offline  
Old 12-26-2008, 10:12 AM
  #17  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Portsmouth RI
Posts: 4,153
Default Re: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

Tim-

Why don't you read my post and understand what I am suggesting. I clearly say that "you have now tried out the extremes of both ends of hull design." Those two boats are clearly opposites in design consideration and ride quality with the Albie being one of the best......The point is that if someone wants to run in the ocean or Chesapeake Bay they owe it to themselves to explore other options. Your comparison goes from "calm days" directly to "true 3-5's". What about a stiff chop of 2' which is a likely scenario? How would the Shamrock run next to a deep V like the Albie then @ 25kts?
Sleeper is offline  
Old 12-26-2008, 10:53 AM
  #18  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Puerto Rico
Posts: 2,320
Default Re: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

Albin was bought by Palmer marine, the same owner of Shamrock.
micky is offline  
Old 12-26-2008, 02:09 PM
  #19  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 179
Default RE: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

Although I can't comment on the ride and quality of the Shamrock 22's, I would think coming from the legendary Charles Jannace, designer of the Blackfin27-46, North Coast 24 &31, Atlantic 38 & 43 and the boat in question as well as the 20 & 26 Shamrocks, that it would be top notch construction, quality and provide a nice ride.
thunnus hunter is offline  
Old 12-26-2008, 02:27 PM
  #20  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Weddington, NC
Posts: 2,623
Default Re: 2000 22' shamrock cc stalker

Sleeper - 12/26/2008 1:12 PM

. What about a stiff chop of 2' which is a likely scenario? How would the Shamrock run next to a deep V like the Albie then @ 25kts?
Apples to oranges comparison.

The deep v albie is OF COURSE going to run better into a head sea. However, when you turn and start drifting in that slop and nearly get thrown overboard from the albie due to the side to side rocking, you will learn to appreciate the stability of the shamrock with full keel as it barely moves.

Two different hull styles completely (both excellent quality though)

Squid Row is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread