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Old 11-24-2008, 06:10 PM
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Hi - I've searched the web for any news about future larger Honda outboards to no avail. Has anyone heard stories/rumors/plans about anything larger than the 225? I know Honda being gas stingy and engineer anal about new products is always slow in the larger engine department but it seems they must be losing a good deal of business to the buyers that would prefer one larger engine over twins. Having owned many Honda autos over the years as well as motorcycles; snowblowers; generators...well you get the idea - and of course outboards - I don't think I would feel truly comfortable looking behind me and not seeing that silver engine. So please tell me is there something bigger in the not too distant future in the pipeline?
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:21 PM
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I doubt it. Most Honda outboards share parts with the automobile engines. Without larger auto engines i don't think you will see larger outboards.
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:31 PM
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Thanks - that makes alot of sense - although there are 3 different 2009 Acura's offered with 300 hp. But I imagine they haven't been out long enough to test in a marine environment and they also use premium fuel.

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The biggest issue is gearcase reliability. The Accord Powerhead can handle 300+, but the gearcase is their issue. As usual, as we learned with Suzuki, the Japanese will not put out a substandard (at least in their opinion) part. Then throw in the economy and...

We've been clamoring for a 250/300 Honda for several years, and it doesn't look like it's getting any closer.
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:53 PM
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Thanks - I'm sure you're correct. It's a little frustrating considering Honda is many, many times Yamaha's size - and makes many more engines (considering Yamaha doesn't make auto's - excluding the engines for Ford and Toyota) and yet is leading the marine industry. I guess it's a matter of priority.
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Just like the pwc market. They drag their feet forever with their 1200cc. After 6 years - they finally the come out with a 1500cc and blow the 3 seater competition in every category sending yamaha and seadoo back to the drawing board.

I will take a pair of BF400 if they ever come out.
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Old 11-25-2008, 04:53 AM
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Honda can do anything, they are not held back because they do not have a block on the shelf or they cannot build a lower unt strong enough to handle the power, if they wanted to build a 400 or 500hphp outboard they would, they are one of the greatest engineering companies in the world, look at the NR750, Rune, and NSX, they built those examples just to show what they are capable of.
They have probably analyzed the market and thier dealer netwrok and determined the highest return is on what they are currently making and there is not enough demand for higher HP outboards to warrent the cost to develop them.
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Honda HP is much higher than a Yamaha so a Honda 225 is close to a Yamaha 250.

For 300 HP Suzuki is the may to go.

For 350 HP Merc or Yamaha probably Yamaha for larger boats and Merc for CC go fast boats.

I have had Yamaha for over twenty years but today they overstate the HP resulting in unfair pricing .
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I dont think Honda wil have to come to the markets needs.....the market will be coming back to Honda ie. smaller more fuel efficient engines.
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:23 AM
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Mr. Demeanor - 11/25/2008 9:24 AM

I dont think Honda wil have to come to the markets needs.....the market will be coming back to Honda ie. smaller more fuel efficient engines.
yup. They have been adding to their smaller motor line up.
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:27 AM
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Why would you want a honda "parts bin" engineered 350 ob when Yamaha built one from scratch that kicks AZZ!
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:33 AM
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I don't think there is enough market out there to warrant the engineering expense.

You could paint the big Yamis or Mercs Silver
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MacCTD - 11/25/2008 4:53 AM

Honda can do anything, they are not held back because they do not have a block on the shelf or they cannot build a lower unt strong enough to handle the power, if they wanted to build a 400 or 500hphp outboard they would, they are one of the greatest engineering companies in the world, look at the NR750, Rune, and NSX, they built those examples just to show what they are capable of.
They have probably analyzed the market and thier dealer netwrok and determined the highest return is on what they are currently making and there is not enough demand for higher HP outboards to warrent the cost to develop them.

Where have you been for the past 2 years? If they wanted to get involved in the higher HP market, they're behind, WAAY behind.

What 400 or 500 HP engine does Honda have that would be a good option for an outboard? .....Thought so.

They make good products but the outboard dept is not their top priority. They don't design new engines for the outboards, they adapt car engines for outboards.
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Old 11-25-2008, 06:55 PM
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I don't think they are behind anything. It's just a matter of priorities. I guess the Outboard division is not one of them. It's probably the upcoming Hondajet. First delivery is planned for 2010. Now that would look good on the back of my boat!
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Old 11-26-2008, 07:13 AM
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I think the largest engine that Honda produces is the 3.5L V6.
It keeps showing up thru out their fleet.
the RIDGELINE truck it is 250 HP.
so,unless Honda decides to supercharge the 3.5L then it is probably going to stay around 250 hp for high load jobs..... Note ,even a truck does not have the load as much as relatively heavy boat with high drag .

Now the 3.5L Honda can produce more HP ,but it is in their light weight cars.
You MUST consider torque when it comes to boating and that means milder camshafts and more liters/cu inches.
Suzuki 300 = 4.0L Yam 350 =5.3L ..... Verados =supercharging and increase the boost and octane requirements.
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Does the 225 have VTEC? I believe they could just add some larger cams to produce 250hp without having to reengineer everything. Would it provide a good return on investment??? Doubtfull.

I have an NSX and it's over 15 years old. I cannot pull up to a stoplight without someone at least glancing over or giving me the thumbs up. Best part is I can own an "exotic" and still get a 34.95 oil change!

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Old 11-30-2008, 09:09 PM
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I have had a Honda NSX and a 45 outboard. Stick with them that will do salt, and know a prop. Merc ,Yam ,Etec and Zuke ARE DEDICATED TO THE MARKET. Honda does not need you to boat. They do.
Cars are not boats. They (Honda) willl be first to go. Great products or not. Not core.
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Does the 225 have VTEC? I believe they could just add some larger cams to produce 250hp without having to reengineer everything. Would it provide a good return on investment??? Doubtfull.

I have an NSX and it's over 15 years old. I cannot pull up to a stoplight without someone at least glancing over or giving me the thumbs up. Best part is I can own an "exotic" and still get a 34.95 oil change!

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Yes the 225's have VTEC. At least my cowl says it does Pretty ballsy for a 225. I had a Yam F225 owner tell me he wishes his f225 had the grunt of the Honda. Could be due to propping though as I am swinging a 15.25x15 prop.
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Old 12-01-2008, 11:30 AM
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Grog - 11/25/2008 10:46 AM
They don't design new engines for the outboards, they adapt car engines for outboards.

I must be missing something in their automoble line-up. Could you tell me what cars utilize the engines adapted for the BF-2 and up?
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Old 12-02-2008, 07:25 PM
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We be talking about them Big Honda outboards,, see title "Re:Bigger Hondas."

Now from the official Honda Marine web site.

225HP

2nd paragraph.... Based on Honda's world -renowned Odyssey engine ...........

i am not saying it is not good. honda did a good job marinizing it.

http://www.honda-marine.com/modelDet...delGroup=BF225

Don't have a clue where the 2 hp Honda came from , nor do I care..


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