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Old 07-28-2008, 01:24 PM
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Hello,

For those that frequently take friends or relatives fishing, how do you discuss splitting the fuel costs? Usually I am the one doing the inviting (rather than someone inviting themselves) and for some reason, I feel funny about asking to split fuel. People seem to be shocked to discuss it, I think they would be truly be shocked if they knew the true cost of ownership....
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Old 07-28-2008, 01:29 PM
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If I invite people to go I don't ask them to pay
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simple this is what i say"Looking for a few guy's to go fishing this weekend that have some gas money".they will say "i have some or good luck"
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Old 07-28-2008, 01:30 PM
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Honestly, if I am inviting then I do not expect them to share the cost - no more than I would invite friends over to dinner and drinks and expect them to pay for the steaks.
If they offer to bring beer or food, great, just like bringing the dessert over. But if I am going out anyway then it's just my cost of doing business as far as I'm concerned.

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Old 07-28-2008, 01:35 PM
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G.A.G. No one rides free.

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Old 07-28-2008, 01:36 PM
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Usually for the first time guest I don't expect them to pay, and what usually ends up happening is that if you invite them again they will offer to pony up a bit on the next trip because they end up getting a better appreciation for the costs involved, especially this day and age. It'll work itself out.

And if you invite a fellow boater then he or she will most always offer. I know I do.
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Old 07-28-2008, 01:38 PM
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Be careful. If you have people on the boat and they pay for gas, it could be considered that you are taking passengers for hire and are required to have a Captain's License. Let them know that ANY gas contributions (and even beer or food contributions) are strictly voluntary and not a condition of being invited. This is a very gray area and subject to interpretation.
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Old 07-28-2008, 01:44 PM
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Since my outings are relatively local, I invite guests because I welcome their company. I don't expect anything. If they want to spring for lunch, that would be great but not necessary.

However, if we were talking about offshore trips and I wanted them to contribute, I would either see if they wanted to chip in before the trip. It seems to me that another way to get people to understand the cost would be to stop at the fuel dock before leaving and let them see that it can easily cost $500-$1000 to fill the tank. If they see that, they may be more likely to kick in a few bucks. This can be considered "subtle guilt"...

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Old 07-28-2008, 01:44 PM
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I'm with ya Dr., the first time is an invite and strictly that. If you get invited back it is an expense sharing deal. Most everyone I fish with ponys up for their fair share of the expenses. The Hun
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:01 PM
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On my boat - I pay. If you offer - I refuse.

If you want fuel costs to be split for a trip - make it known well before departing.
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:03 PM
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The way you approach the subject is the key. The way I usually I bring it up is "hey man, I was thinking about going offshore on Sat. and I'm looking for some friends to help split the expenses, would you like to go." The answer is either "yeah I'll help out" or "I can't this week end because I just had to pay for X, but call me next time". No one has ever said "yeah, I'll go but I won't pay for anything". If you say it like that then it take the awkardness out of asking for money after you have invited them.

I posted this to another question similar to this and I stand by it.

"There will never be a clear answer to this question. I'm curious to know, if it is illegal to share expenses, has anyone ever been giving a citation or gotten in trouble with the law?

I think that there are many senarios, and each one should be handled differently. I don't have any qualms about asking someone to share expenses or taking money from someone if I don't ask and they offer. Nor do I have a problem with offering to share expenses. I have often turned friends and family down when they offer, but I have also excepted "payment" from those same friends/family.

As far as the legality of the issue, I don't care if its illegal or not. If someone is on my boat then they are a close friend or close family and I don't have to worry about them sharing expenses being a legal issue. If I have any doubts about someone (it doesn't matter what kind of doubt) they will simply never board my boat, even if its sitting in the driveway.

I think the most important thing is that as long as you are upfront with everyone and they know what to expect before, during, and after the trip then everything will be okay. You will always have that small % of people that just don't get it, and you are welcome to never have them as guest again."
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:08 PM
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Fill up right at the end of the trip with them watching, and pay in cash. Most true friends would feel the urge to chip in.
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:36 PM
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Normally I do a credit check on my crew the night before we leave. At the dock we settle up using my treo......paypal is accessible from the phone. 100 yards from the dock at the end of the day I true up their accounts for residuals like the number of waters they drank, poor bait management losses, sinkers, yards of broken off fishing line, a small surcharge for reel maintenance, prorated insurance coverage, etc.
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:37 PM
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Everyone that goes out in our boat knows right up front. However many people are on the boat that is how many ways the fuel and now oil bill gets divided. We have had a few people who want to divide everything down to the dollar with bait and ice too but they have not been fishing in quite some time on our boat. Everyone that fishes with us has their own boat or have owned a boat at one time and know the expense of owning a boat. When I go on someone elses boat I do the exact same thing.

The boat is full when we leave and gets filled on the way home. No questions then on how much did we burn. Everyone helps unload and clean the boat. If someone doesn't want to or doesn't help clean or pay then they did not go fishing. Pretty simple. It is what it is. If they don't want to pay then don't go. Anyone who has ever owned a boat would gladly just pay for their share of the cost of fuel, oil, and bait to go fishing. That is the best boat to go fishing on is someone elses.

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Old 07-28-2008, 02:43 PM
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There are several factors

1. I dont own a boat I cant afford to run or pay for.
2. Really the only time I start asking for some gas money are longer trips like 100+ mile.

The way i approach it is like others have stated, first timers get a free ride. Any time after, I just ask them to pitch in and tell them we will burn about 60 gallons of fuel (or whatever) on this trip, so they know how much it will roughly cost. I dont tell them an exact amount to pay or what I think is right. I let them decide (but I will never take more than their share). If they dont make an honest effort to help out the second invite is probably their last. I also will take some without a lot of money and I know it, I dont expect anything from them. If they offer, I may let them get some bait or something.
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Most of my crews, Notice i said most. Think i should not pay for ANY of the fuel. They will say---"hey, you have the boat, thats enough". Because most of the people i fish with either have had a boat, or currently own one. When i go with someone else me and the crew do the same for the capt. This whole summer i have not had to invite a single person. The ONLY person i will pay the whole fuel bill for is my Dad. Not even my daughter gets that privilage
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lol. I expect nothing in return. However, it's tacitly understood by most reasonable guests, that a reciprocation will follow at some point. Then there's always the option of going alone.
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:45 PM
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I've never had a problem splitting fuel costs. The people I take out on my boat usually argue about who gets to pay for the fuel. Maybe you are taking the wrong people fishing.
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Tireless - 7/28/2008 4:36 PM

Normally I do a credit check on my crew the night before we leave. At the dock we settle up using my treo......paypal is accessible from the phone. 100 yards from the dock at the end of the day I true up their accounts for residuals like the number of waters they drank, poor bait management losses, sinkers, yards of broken off fishing line, a small surcharge for reel maintenance, prorated insurance coverage, etc.
....lol, I can visualize the guys that can't pay and are still 100 yards away from the dock. Do you wait for the outgoing tide for them to jump and try to make it, or are you a softie??
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:48 PM
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Captain Sid - 7/28/2008 4:45 PM I've never had a problem splitting fuel costs. The people I take out on my boat usually argue about who gets to pay for the fuel. Maybe you are taking the wrong people fishing.
Thats what i'm talking about. Its about having the right fishing partners.
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