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Old 06-22-2008, 03:43 PM
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I find this very funny. I have never heard of this before this thread. Granted I don't think I have ever sold a boat within PA before. But I have owned 2 boats while living here. Never heard of it. Called a friend this morning that owns an auto repair business that also does inspection (17 years in business) He also owns a 23 WA. He had never heard of it either. I then called a large trailer dealer in the area. They had never heard of it either. Then called a friends father that works for the DMV. He had never heard of it either!! Then called a fishing buddy and asked him. His answer was don't even stir that pot. 40 years he has been hauling a boat in and out of PA where he lives and never got an inspection. Been pulled over numerous times in that 40 year period and not once was asked about the trailer.

I hate living in this state. I remeber moving here from Delaware. You have to go one place for a drivers license, another for tags and title, and another for inspection. What a pain in the @ss. Delaware was sooooo much easier to live in. As soon as the real estate market turns around I am gonna sell one of my houses here and replace it with a house in RI. Another easy state to live in.

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I tow for about ten minutes in PA everytime I go fishing. The rest is out of state. I don't think I will bother either.
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Old 06-22-2008, 04:01 PM
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Anglersedgemarine, It was at the Northeast Marina on Lake Erie. In between Erie Pa and Buffalo NY.
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sammi - 6/22/2008 7:01 PM

Anglersedgemarine, It was at the Northeast Marina on Lake Erie. In between Erie Pa and Buffalo NY.
That's some crazy stuff. Like I said nobody out here (including DMV) seems to know anything about it. Looks like you will have to get it done out there. One of those things where they will target you guys at the local ramps. Like I said I don't fish freshwater at all so I am not to worried about it. I am sure as heck not gonna buy a new trailer or install brakes on the second axle of my week old trailer to make PA happy. I went dual axle for safety and only one brake for a 3K load. Sold boats in NJ for a decade and brakes on one axle was the requirement there which is more than sufficient.

Gotta love the commonwealth!
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"I hate living in this state. I remeber moving here from Delaware."

Funny, but when I first moved to PA from NJ I thought exactly the same thing until I went to buy a handgun. It was cultural shock - cash and carry!

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TITLE 67. TRANSPORTATION
PART I. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
Subpart A. VEHICLE CODE PROVISIONS
ARTICLE VII. VEHICLE CHARACTERISTICS CHAPTER 175 VEHICLE EQUIPMENT AND INSPECTION
Subchapter A. GENERAL PROVISIONS

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§ 175.4. Vehicles required to be inspected.
A registered vehicle moved upon a highway shall bear a valid certificate of inspection except for the following:
(1)
Special mobile equipment.
(2)
An implement of husbandry.
(3)
A motor vehicle being towed.
(4)
A motor vehicle being driven or a trailer being towed by an official inspection station owner or employe for the purpose of inspection.
(5)
A trailer having a registered gross weight of 3,000 pounds or less.
(6)
A motorized pedalcycle.

http://yosemite.epa.gov/r3/r3sips.nsf/9eeb842c677f8f5d85256cfd004c3498/649af1570a87555485256d6e004a1df5/$FILE/title_67_chapter_175_vehicle_inspection.pdf

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Old 06-23-2008, 12:22 PM
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I hear you on that but the CCW license isn't any good in the bordering states! I can carry here but as soon as I drive 10 minutes which is to NY or NJ I can't carry. Still can't beat Delaware on just about everything else. I will be registering the boat in DE on the way back from NC. No sales tax that way.

I gotta think moving anywhere from Jersey is a relief. Car insurance, Tolls, Propery tax, Sales Tax, etc. They get you guys pretty good there. I stopped fishing there just because I hate towing down I80-287-GSPW- Yuck!

Israel Hands - 6/23/2008 1:45 PM

"I hate living in this state. I remeber moving here from Delaware."

Funny, but when I first moved to PA from NJ I thought exactly the same thing until I went to buy a handgun. It was cultural shock - cash and carry!

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Old 06-23-2008, 03:10 PM
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TITLE 67. TRANSPORTATION
PART I. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
Subpart A. VEHICLE CODE PROVISIONS
ARTICLE VII. VEHICLE CHARACTERISTICS CHAPTER 175 VEHICLE EQUIPMENT AND INSPECTION
Subchapter A. GENERAL PROVISIONS

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§ 175.4. Vehicles required to be inspected.
A registered vehicle moved upon a highway shall bear a valid certificate of inspection except for the following:
(1)
Special mobile equipment.
(2)
An implement of husbandry.
(3)
A motor vehicle being towed.
(4)
A motor vehicle being driven or a trailer being towed by an official inspection station owner or employe for the purpose of inspection.
(5)
A trailer having a registered gross weight of 3,000 pounds or less.
(6)
A motorized pedalcycle.

http://yosemite.epa.gov/r3/r3sips.nsf/9eeb842c677f8f5d85256cfd004c3498/649af1570a87555485256d6e004a1df5/$FILE/title_67_chapter_175_vehicle_inspection.pdf
Anyone in PA with a camper over 3000# GVWR should be aware of this, it applies the same way. Not all insp. stations inspect boats. Ignorance won't get you out of the ticket. It's a gamble, do you feel lucky?

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Old 06-23-2008, 07:09 PM
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OK, when they say a trailer of less than 3000lbs, do they mean the trailer and the boat or just the trailer? Can you say, loophole?
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mrfritz44 - 6/23/2008 10:09 PM

OK, when they say a trailer of less than 3000lbs, do they mean the trailer and the boat or just the trailer? Can you say, loophole?
Gross weight means trailer + load.

Either way nobody seems to know about this in eastern PA. Not the DMV, Not the trailer dealers, not the inspection stations, etc. So I don't think it's much of a big deal. I am happy taking my chances since I only tow for about 10 minutes in PA before I cross the border to another state. Have no interest in sweetwater and I get the feeling that if they are going to target you they will do it as a state launch on a weekend. My 2008 dual axle with one brake is more than enough for a 3K boat. Atleast in any other state in the US it is
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anglersedgemarine - 6/23/2008 10:17 PM

........................ My 2008 dual axle with one brake is more than enough for a 3K boat. Atleast in any other state in the US it is
Not in Florida. Florida and some other states require brakes on all axles of a trailer. Just like on a car or truck. And from someone who added brakes to his second axle, I can tell you it makes a noticeable difference in braking power. Now that I think about it, twice the power!

I've driven in PA. Not towing a trailer, but driven a car throught the mountains several times. They have some tough roads and steep grades, often ending in a "T" intersection in a town. It's a bad place to find that you don't have adequate stopping power.
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Old 06-24-2008, 07:42 AM
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........................ My 2008 dual axle with one brake is more than enough for a 3K boat. Atleast in any other state in the US it is
Not in Florida. Florida and some other states require brakes on all axles of a trailer. Just like on a car or truck. And from someone who added brakes to his second axle, I can tell you it makes a noticeable difference in braking power. Now that I think about it, twice the power!

I've driven in PA. Not towing a trailer, but driven a car throught the mountains several times. They have some tough roads and steep grades, often ending in a "T" intersection in a town. It's a bad place to find that you don't have adequate stopping power.
Jones Brother Cape Fisherman 2000 weighs 2000lbs even. Ad the power and a full tank and it's just over still less than 3K

My last boat weighed the same and was on a single axle with no brakes so I think I have more than enough. My truck does come with brakes as well.

I have towed, run, and sold boats for a living for 18 years. Towed them all over the country and run them in just about every piece of water on the east coast. Drum brakes on one axle are plenty for a 3K boat even if I lived in the Alps.

It's another PA way to extract more money from it's residents. Again no one here seems to know anything about this. It is very difficult to find anything on line about it too.

This is the stupid way that PA DMV is run. The proper way to do this would be: In order to get it registered you have to have it inspected first!

It's the same friggin thing with cars. When we moved up from DE. I went and bought my wife a brand new Suzuki Vitara in NY. We brought it back. The dealer did the reg, title, and tags. All my wife did was go to DMV and pick the stuff up. In Delaware a new car does not need to be inspected. We don't have to go to three places to get this done. There is no sticker in the window in Delaware. Once your vehicle is 4 years old then you go back to DMV, Drive through the insection line (Takes a couple minutes), go inside and get your reg and the little sticker that goes on the license plate.

So, after buying this new car in NY we never thought we would have to get it inspected. New car. Dealer never said anything about inspection. PADMV never said you still need to get it inspected. There was no paperwork stating we had to get it inspected when my wife picked up everything else. So....Couple weeks later she got pulled over in an inspection check point with out 1 year old crying in the back seat. The guy had her roadside with 5 other cars for 45 minutes and wrote her a $150 ticket (so we thought).

Here is where it gets really good. My wife called the phone number on the check and the line just rang with no answering machine for days. So she totals up the illegible numbers on the back of the check and mails it in to the address provided to "Send payment" About two weeks later we get a message on the home phone saying that there has been a warrant issued for my wifes arrest for failure to pay the fine in full!!! Turns out the ticket is like a lottery ticket. You have to call to get your prize (The amount you owe) the numbers on the ticket were just an estimate. Turned out that she had mailed all but 53cents of the ticket amount. The friggin @ss holes issue a warrant for her arrest! She has never even paid a bill late before. Couldn't call and say hey you owe us more on the ticket.

PA sucks. Can't wait to leave. Again what would be smart would be to require an inspection in order to get a registration. But i guess it's harder to write tickets that way

Jeez these are the same people that Barack wants to run out health care. I wonder how many places I will have to visit when I get a cold

Tight lines, Bob
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:03 AM
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It is very difficult to find anything on line about it too.
I'll admit it took me about five minutes to find what I posted above, but it's there if you know how to use a search engine.

I think anyone can find fault with government if they want to. We all have "better ideas" but why don't we get ourselves elected and change things? Maybe we don't know the whole story.
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PA's got some pretty strange sub-rules about the tow vehicle/brake requirementstoo(see footnotes).http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm
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Old 06-24-2008, 07:54 PM
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Rwidman, With all due repect your condescending attitude we can do without. My original point still stands. Your cronies found a cheap way to collect fines by standing around at the lake writing tickets. If it was not a money making venture they would have written warnings. It is a law that even people at the DMV (your so called "ultimate authority")don't know about. People in Pa should not have to contact a Philadelphia lawyer to find out their trailer needs inspected.
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sammi - 6/24/2008 10:54 PM

Rwidman, With all due repect your condescending attitude we can do without. My original point still stands. Your cronies found a cheap way to collect fines by standing around at the lake writing tickets. If it was not a money making venture they would have written warnings. It is a law that even people at the DMV don't know about. People in Pa should not have to contact a Philadelphia lawyer to find out their trailer needs inspected.
Very well said!! I think I can leave this thread on that note and feel warm and fuzzy

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Old 06-25-2008, 04:32 AM
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Sorry, but one would have to be very naive not to know all PA registered cars must be inspected in PA! What did you think all those small stickers on every windshield of every PA plated car represented? When in Rome...

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Israel Hands - 6/25/2008 7:32 AM

Sorry, but one would have to be very naive not to know all PA registered cars must be inspected in PA! What did you think all those small stickers on every windshield of every PA plated car represented? When in Rome...

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There were no stickers in the corners of out other three vehicles because they were all purchased in DE. I never noticed a sticker in other cars windsheilds. Guess I had more important things to do than examine pa residents cars when I moved up.

Again let me try to explain the smart way to do things for the third time: If they required a inspection in order to register the vehicle then there would never be a problem. That's a pretty simple fix but then they can't write all those nice tickets.


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sammi - 6/24/2008 10:54 PM

Rwidman, With all due repect your condescending attitude we can do without. My original point still stands. .........
Name calling will not change anything. You still need to know and follow the law. Even if you don't like it.
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Evey weekend I see in the Upper FL keys:
1. A wrecked boat trailer or a boat that was NOT secured and it is damaged.
2. FL Highway Patrol or DOT stopping an unsafe boat trailer.
It runs the gamut from no lights ,smoking underinflated tires ,wheel bearings, no safety chains, etc etc.

We don't have a boat trailer inspection that I know of in FL.
However ,you are concentrated to US1 in the keys. So all the law enforcement have to do is wait for you.
They get them coming and going.

The new pretty green divider wall on the 18 mile stretch US1 ,mainland to the keys already looks like the Nascar wall at Darlington ; lots of tire marks in 4 months time.. I know some are trailer marks, I have witnessed some.
No I don't own a boat trailer anymore, however the last one was lighted by two seperate circuits, yep 2 lights on each side. Easy to switch and test.

Maybe we should have a safety inspection for boat trailers.
Most people don't mind getting a USCG auxillary boat inspection.
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Old 06-25-2008, 07:00 PM
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Rwidman, I didn't call anyone a name. Also, I never said I didn't like it, merely that I suspect few know about it. I was just trying to educate people here in Pa so that it doesn't happen to them. If that bugs you, well, so be it.
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