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Old 04-04-2008, 04:05 PM
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Going to start towing a 10' wide, 11,000 lb boat soon.

As I've never towed something this big and will need to do it regularly and legally I was wondering if any of you have suggestions about the best tow vehicle(s) and what you need to do as far as permits. Can you get a yearly permit in some states? Is there a website to get a permits?

Any safety suggestions would also help...

Any and all help would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Old 04-04-2008, 04:34 PM
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Varies by state. Can't pull it on weekends, holidays or at night from what I understand. Some states you need a permit every time you move it. Not too long ago someone I know in the manufacturing side told me a story about getting stopped, he got out of it, but mentioned the amount of the fine and it was pretty steep. He had never been stopped before though.

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Old 04-04-2008, 04:55 PM
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This may help: http://maine.gov/sos/bmv/commercial/olperms.htm
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Old 04-04-2008, 05:14 PM
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At least a Ford F450 for that weight on a regular basis and short wheel base tows better ...


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Old 04-04-2008, 05:27 PM
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Default Re: Towing: 10' Wide and 11,000lbs...

We towed heavier (11-12k) but not wider with a F350 dually diesel regularly. No problem with the weight but trailer / truck setup is critical. There are a lot of go fast boats dragged all over the country that weigh more. Any of the big diesel trucks would suffice and the brand is a matter of personal preference each having strengths and weakness'.
I personally towed a race car trailer from Chicago to Sarasota that weighed 11,500 pounds with a single rear wheel F250 7.3 PSD using a load leveling hitch. Yes, I was over weight but it towed like a dream because it was set up very well. We weighed the trailer so I am certain of the weight. Averaged 12mpg!
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Old 04-04-2008, 05:47 PM
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Any 3/4-1 ton diesel single wheel or dually will tow that rig no problem. My SRW 3500 Dodge Cummins is rated for 16,400 pounds.No problem with my 14,000 lb 36 footer.

In Florida it's only 20 bucks for a year permit up to 10 ft wide without restrictions. Over 10 ft it gets complicated.On the other hand no one I know has permits and no one I know has been stopped.It's just a common occurrence here in Fl. Your state may vary.
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Jay,
You hauling under the company? If so, time to go commercial and avoid the bs. You can get permits good for the year for the states you plan on hauling thru.
I personally would get away from the Fords and GM's. Start looking at Pete's, Inter's, Freight's. It's too easy to stay in the business class trucks at that level and you get more for the dollar. Engine and tranny options can be fit to just what you want the truck to do. The most important thing is to get a great salesperson who listens and understands their job. The serious RV folks are an example but one look at what has happened to fire departments (bone boxes) and towing (wreckers) companies says volumes. The new emissions laws is going to hurt. Don't be afraid to look around at quaility used stuff to save a few bucks.

Good weather is coming and one of these days I need to stop looking over the guardrail while I'm northbound and stop. At least be sure I always think of BLM in both directions.

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pull my boat its 10,000 lbs dry 2,200 lb trailer and 2,400 lbs of gas.

use a F 350 duelie and it does great.
do a search there is a bunch of stuff on this

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Old 04-04-2008, 06:10 PM
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I've towed a boat that large up and down the east coast a coule of times with a rented dodge ram 3500 dually and it was perfect. I wouldn't do it with anything smaller. I used comdata to get all my permits.
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My rig tips the scale a bit over 11,000lbs, overall length w/trailer 42', 10'2' wide. I purchased the boat in FL and towed it home to VA. Purchased temporary permits, in FL, GA, SC, & NC. VA offers a two year oversize permit. Many of them required lights and banners and had time of day and day of week restrictions. VA requires an escort vehicle on two lane secondary roads!

I tow it with a F350 Crew Cab std bed 7.3L Diesel SRW. The truck also has extra 750# overload springs and a Superchip on the minimum setting. No problems with the load or the handling. Not going to win any drag races, but it has no problems reaching and maintaining highway speeds. Contrary to a previous post, I have always found a longer wheelbase to be a better towing rig.

Keep to the right, keep up with the other traffic, don't slop over into the other lanes, and I doubt law enforcement will give you a second look.
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Here's my version of reality. Is it a rant or a reply? I'll leave that to you to decide:

You've gone into an area with lots of opinions. Most states don't care, but those on the edge of fiscal reality do. North Carolina, for example, is citing people with sponsor decals on their boats as being commercial. There's no way you are going to make it through the state without the badge carrying revenue agents stopping you and collecting the King's tithing. Likewise, in The Peoples Republic of California, you will get stopped for anything. California clings to a 55 mph speed limit. Why? Is it justified by safety reports? Arizona is (gasp) 75 for towing. If California is right, you'd expect flaming truck wreckage and body parts starting at the Arizona border. Reality says California is wrong.

It is a revenue game.

If a state feels they can extort money from you they will find a way. Look at the regulations and enforcement within your home state and decide what your level of tolerance is. If I have an out of state vehicle and an out of state license, I will probably be warned. If you are in your home state and are in violation, you will be cited or towed.

With that said, I have towed several overwides from coast to coast without ever being looked at twice. Since the usual destination is California, I have a California overwide permit. But I am also a private party and have no company name on the truck or dealer plates on the trailer.

What does it take to tow it? A Smart Car will get it moving, but it takes good brakes to stop it. I have towed over 12,000 pounds with an F-250 and had no difficulty at all with electric over hydraulic brakes.
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I have towed over 10K with a F-350 power stroke with no problems at all. Weight is not your issue.
You have a lot of toll roads in New England, epecially in New Hampshire. The width will require constant attention.
10 foot width will not go through some of the lanes.
The 10% tongue weight rule needs adjustment over 5K pounds. I think 600 pounds or so is plenty
with a 12K total load.
A final note: adjust your tongue weight with the tanks filled to the level you be at when towing. A lot of gas weight
is aft of your axles.
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You will also be required to have the tow vehicle registered at he appropriate gross weight to be able to obtain the oversize permit, This will be governed by the #, size and load rating of the tires and in some states the manufacturers GVW.The application will require total dimensions and distances from each axle centerline , You may be required to have an over weight permit based on the Manufacturers GVW or be forced to use a larger tow vehicle.
If you were to step up to a commercial grade truck look seriously at the International/ Navistar Biggest bang for the buck.
They also market a bumped up crew cab dually with GVW S exceeding 36,000lbs, FWD even ,If your wallet is rated for it
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I tow just under 12k with an F350 PSD, single rear wheel. I only tow a few time per year. If you're towing it regularaly, a dual rear wheel truck will provide more stability and peace of mind.
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Old 04-05-2008, 06:51 PM
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It's Maine, just hook up your 1/2 ton and its go time!
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Old 04-06-2008, 05:24 AM
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After seeing how they run those logging trucks up there I wouldn't think they should be concerned with a big boat now and then. I know the loggers are not overwide but they always seen to take the whole road
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A class III truck would be your best choice and I would be looking at the longest wheelbase possible unless maneuverability is a issue. The longer the wheelbase the better the truck will handle the load on the highway. If you are only towing in town and there is a tight places that you have to back the trailer in to then I would get a SWB truck otherwise a truck with at least a 158" wheel base would be the minimum. I would also steer clear of any of the new diesel engines that have EGR on them say 2003 or older. Good luck.
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jtburf - 4/4/2008 8:14 PM

At least a Ford F450 for that weight on a regular basis and short wheel base tows better ...


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From my experiences a longer wheelbase tows better.

You don't need anything more than a 3/4 or 1 ton truck to haul 11k lbs. The tow rating on my SRW '06 Dodge Megacab 3500 (diesel) is around 14k lbs and I've towed right around 14-15k with no problems. There are thousands of guys out there with similar 1 ton trucks towing 15-20k+ lbs on a daily basis. The tow ratings from the manufacturers are always on the conservative side.

Plus you can also take the same 3500 pickup drag racing and smoke 99% of the cars out there! Mine runs a 12.72 in the 1/4 mile and can still tow all that weight with no problem. There's a video of a 12.78 run on YouTube for the non-believers.
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BlueWaterRunner - 4/6/2008 8:34 AM

A class III truck would be your best choice and I would be looking at the longest wheelbase possible unless maneuverability is a issue. The longer the wheelbase the better the truck will handle the load on the highway. If you are only towing in town and there is a tight places that you have to back the trailer in to then I would get a SWB truck otherwise a truck with at least a 158" wheel base would be the minimum. I would also steer clear of any of the new diesel engines that have EGR on them say 2003 or older. Good luck.
The Dodge Cummins started coming with a DPF and other emissions equipment in '07.5. I would also suggest against getting one with the new emissions equipment.

You're fine with anything older than '07.5 though.
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Jay,

If budget is not a real issue........this is the truck for you!

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