Go Back  The Hull Truth - Boating and Fishing Forum > BOATING FORUMS > The Boating Forum
Reload this Page >

Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

Notices

Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

Old 03-30-2008, 12:33 PM
  #21  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location:
Posts: 3,389
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

How about this. If you want a cat, fine buy one, buy 5, I dont care.

but on behalf of the rest of us...

I DO NOT WANT ONE.

IS THAT CLEAR?

No amount of grandstanding by you is going to change that. SO please CEASE these posts.
DrJim is offline  
Old 03-30-2008, 02:39 PM
  #22  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: st augustine fl
Posts: 7,230
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

Easy there DrJim....OK you don't want one, for those of us that have one or are thinking of getting one, this is a good place to figure it out...the folks downunder are hot on the cats and they do most of their boating in the ocean, they must know something...why should we cease these posts?.....how about you stop reading them?...yes the video was basically silly, no arguement, chill.........
slickster is offline  
Old 03-30-2008, 05:52 PM
  #23  
Senior MemberCaptains Club MemberPLEDGER
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: CA & San Carlos, Mx
Posts: 20,743
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

DrJim - 3/30/2008 12:33 PM

How about this. If you want a cat, fine buy one, buy 5, I dont care.

but on behalf of the rest of us...

I DO NOT WANT ONE.

IS THAT CLEAR?

No amount of grandstanding by you is going to change that. SO please CEASE these posts.
Heil Hitler !!
Bullshipper is offline  
Old 03-30-2008, 06:31 PM
  #24  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: St. Pete, FL
Posts: 753
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

a GB or WC is less fuel efficient than a mono.
reelassets is offline  
Old 03-30-2008, 07:29 PM
  #25  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: st augustine fl
Posts: 7,230
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

I ran a WC 27te from Pompano to Andros, 150 miles, twin honda 225's, 35mph at 3500....1.9 mpg with full load....crossed the stream no prob....that's very comparable to most mono's of the same capability....
slickster is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 05:32 AM
  #26  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 618
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

DrJim - 3/30/2008 12:33 PM

How about this. If you want a cat, fine buy one, buy 5, I dont care.

but on behalf of the rest of us...

I DO NOT WANT ONE.

IS THAT CLEAR?

No amount of grandstanding by you is going to change that. SO please CEASE these posts.
I couldn't agree more. Cats are old news to most of us.
PETRAFIED is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 09:09 AM
  #27  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: SE Michigan
Posts: 722
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

DrJim - 3/30/2008 3:33 PM

How about this. If you want a cat, fine buy one, buy 5, I dont care.

but on behalf of the rest of us...

I DO NOT WANT ONE.

IS THAT CLEAR?

No amount of grandstanding by you is going to change that. SO please CEASE these posts.
Maybe I'm missing something...

The OP posted a link without any commentary that I can see. I would hardly call that grandstanding. And, while I'm not going to run out and scuttle my current boat so I can take the insurance money and buy a cat, it was worth watching for a moment.

All this "cat v.s. mono", "E-tec v.s. the world" posturing is tedious...

Mike
peptide is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 09:56 AM
  #28  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 618
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

It's GRANDSTANDING! I can run my 34 Sea Vee up on the same sand bar in the creek on the north side of Ft. Pierce inlet. They are comparing a 18' proline to 28' twin vee?

OK maybe he posted this without watching the video?

Either way its an infomercial sponsored by Bombardier wich automatically says "over hyped" all over it.
PETRAFIED is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 10:19 AM
  #29  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Huntington, NY
Posts: 974
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

john greviskas will sell anything... he is a whore. Love how they show teh mono rolling sitting still.. Show the cat doing teh same thing. Rocks worse..
wellcraft290 is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 10:19 AM
  #30  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Louisiana Gulf Coast
Posts: 875
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

For what its worth, I love my cat !!! Doc of the Bay
Doc of the Bay is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 11:01 AM
  #31  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: over yonder
Posts: 10,277
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

There are pro's and con's to both. I've owned two cats and now back in a monohull and very happy with my Pioneer 197, for the days i like to fish 2-3' days running 25-30miles its all the boat i need. If i went back to fishing days when it was 3-4' i would go back to a cat, but when i had the cat and was fishing in these 3-4' days it just isnt much fun regardless of what you are trolling in. Cat has a lot of advantages when you are running in the rougher water but she does have some quirks, you have to learn how to drive a cat to make the ride what it is. I enjoy the boat i have now more than any boat ive owned including the two cats. I have no problems fishing offshore on 10-15mph 2-3'sea days and its a joy to run and fish in. I will say one thing the single engine cats have a long way to go and are honestly just good for inshore fishing. They are by all means a bayboat and granted some will take them out offshore but i dont believe they belong in that environment.
ccat is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 01:39 PM
  #32  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: st augustine fl
Posts: 7,230
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

I ran a twin vee 19 from pompano to Bimini, 65 miles, and fished for a week, and 30-40 miles out of Venice La....also there are 2 guys here that run caracal 18's out to the ledge on a regular basis, that's 40-50 miles one way...an 18-20ft cat is comparable in capability to a typical 21-22ft mono...deck space in comparable also....they are way more than bay boats....it's ok for a contender 21 with a single to venture offshore but not an 18-20ft cat?....the contender is way faster and cooler...for the $$, you can't beat a small cat....Mick
slickster is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 01:51 PM
  #33  
abayar1
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

Just dig that cat bow into a few 5+ foot rollers and have them come over the front and you'll be hopping on my Grady White monohull the next time out however if its 2-3 foot chop ill take the twin vee. Calcutta also makes a great cat with an open transom for WHEN not if the waves come over the front!
 
Old 03-31-2008, 02:32 PM
  #34  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Gainesville, Florida
Posts: 619
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

I got my Caracal into 5 foot+ recently and very carefully got myself back out of that situtation. Thankfully, nothing came over the bow (but it was looking like it might) and we did well.

I've learned NOT to drift fish in 2-3 because the boat turns beam to the waves and has a really fast 1-2 rock side to side. In the situation above, everyone was fine until we got back to 2 footers and started drift fishing -- within 60 seconds I had two people leaning over the sides. (If i can drop an anchor (or perhaps a sea anchor I've not been deep enough to need that) , this is completely avoided and everyone is much happier.)

I am not sure about the claims of increased fuel efficiency, for small cats anyway. I think they apply more to cats considerably longer than 18 feet with sponsons that are much longer than their width. Plotting the miles-per-gallon versus knots, with a planing monohull you see a sharp break at onset of planing. With the available data on small cats, you see a much more rounded shift -- and not to really that much better mileage. I think there is a tradeoff there: if you want to avoid the pounding (It is amazing. You just keep EXPECTING it to slam. And it just doesn't....it just eases right back in....) then you seem to have to have a different fuel efficiency curve.


Many have written about the counter-intuitive steering. With waves 45 degrees or 90 degrees off the bow, I can simply let go of the wheel and on average, the boat just keeps going the same direction. If I want to avoid the bank of the deck as the up-water sponson is lifted by the arriving swell, you make a small steering movement AWAY from the rising sponson (and wave). Exactly the opposite of what I was used to doing in a monohull. Then as the wave passes, you correct oppositely and resume course. If my son is driving and can't figure this out, I just tell him basically not to try and fix it, it does fine on its own.

I think a mono is more fun to drive fast and make turns; I think a cat is much less draining to drive for 30-45 minutes into 2-3 foot waves/swells. When the waves are 1-2 foot, the cat is cool as it glides along gently rising and lowering, swishing water more and less as it crests and wanes; never pounding. There are tradeoffs in any hull. Everyone should be happy with the better points of theirs.

As for list: I weigh 240 and I put a simple RV inclinometer on my console. If I move all the way and sit on the gunnell, the list is I think 6 degrees by my measurements. It's an 18 foot boat with a hull of perhaps 1600 lbs. The RV inclinometers can be bought at Walmart (they used them to level their RV) for a couple bucks. Anyone have list measurements for their deep v?

Gordon
ggibby is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 02:55 PM
  #35  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: SouthEast Florida
Posts: 4,365
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

ggibby - 3/31/2008 2:32 PM
There are tradeoffs in any hull. Everyone should be happy with the better points of theirs.
Very well said.
UaVaj is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 04:27 PM
  #36  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Greensburg PA
Posts: 1,781
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

UaVaj,

Not to change the subject... But we are still wanting to see photos of your new toy... gonna post some up for us?

I now return you to the previously scheduled topic!

StingerII is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 04:47 PM
  #37  
Senior MemberCaptains Club Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: offshore, FL
Posts: 565
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

wish TVs had in deck storage....I have a SL5 and was out on a GB2670 this weekend....I like the cats but video is terrible!
stingerhook is offline  
Old 03-31-2008, 04:51 PM
  #38  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: SouthEast Florida
Posts: 4,365
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

To all the folks that is patiently waiting for my full review and photos. Thank you all for you continued support.

Here is a sneak peak. This is the only photo I have at zero hour.
http://www.thehulltruth.com/forums/t...ts=50#M2023399

Now back to the scheduled topic.
UaVaj is offline  
Old 04-01-2008, 09:41 AM
  #39  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: St. Augustine FL
Posts: 11
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

Hello All,
My name is Joe Vinson and I am with Wave Breaker Yachts in St. Augustine Florida. Our Dealership specializes in Power Catamarans and carries World Cat, Glacier Bay, Pro Kat, and Twin Vee. We are also growing very tight with Evinrude E-tec and helped Evinrude create this video, and actually the 29' Twin Vee, 23 Pro Kat, and 26' Glacier Bay that were in the video were all boats from our dealership.
To help the debate we will give no obligation sea trials almost any day any time on any of the boats we have in stock. Just try to give us at least a couple hours notice before you can ride and we will meet you at the docks. So if you are in doubt, how can you say no to a free sea trial.
Joe@WBYachts is offline  
Old 04-01-2008, 10:08 AM
  #40  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 1,144
Default Re: Cat Vs Mono Debate explained for the newbies

cat tales - 3/29/2008 1:39 PM

Better ride, not always.

More fuel efficient, not

More stable, maybe moving but not in a cross chop drifting, can you say snap roll

Can you say tunnel slap

Catch an edge and everybody better be holding on.

I like and have owned several cats, buts lets be honest here. There are benefits and drawbacks like most all boats.

Ed
Well summarized. Personally there is NO way I'd own a cat. The hull slap at trolling speeds just drove me nuts. The day I was out it was a confused sea and no matter what angle we tried to take the waves they were always banging between the hulls. And cat lovers say cats don't pound, sure.
FloridaDan is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread