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Old 12-18-2007, 07:46 AM
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I believe propbender said that the engines were running fine when he sent them and that the compression checked out on both engines. That to me says he sent two working engines.
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KJS - 12/18/2007 10:45 AM

Check your mail. It is probably not worth responding on here.
Thanks... I'm out of this one unless otherwise requested.

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Request 1. To those of us who don't know what the heck is goin on please explain what A1 outboards did?

Request 2. What's the deal with the motors did they get rebuilt and blow up? And if so whats the warranty?

Whats the deal with these "crates"?????????????????????????????????

I do want to post my opinion but I didn't read the original post.

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The original post is wortht he read. IT will splain it all...
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Wow, it looks like the winter doldrums are setting in.
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A typical case of "he said she said" ! I don't know either party,so it's unfair for me to comment.
I do know that I do not want my business to go "cyber" !
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I joined to share opinions and experiences with the members. Not to be a captive audience for dis-ingenious and deceiptful merchants.

I hope our honest and long-term sponsors will recognise that allowing forum-owner tolerance for even the apearance of a lack of integrity by another sponsor, diminishes the value of their contributions here.

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Hell , I'll boycott. Fuggem. send back da crates
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Here it is....Page 2.....
http://www.thehulltruth.com/forums/t...rt=21&posts=41

After reading the thread, particularly Propbenders posts and A1's response on page 2, I would not do business with them....The crates should have been returned.
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After re reading the thread I find myself firmly in Propbender's corner. His replies were quick and covered many points. His last reply was 11 mins after A-1 outboards and it was lergthy, factual and covered several points. I get lied to EVERYDAY at work and I must say if Propbender is making his replies up he is one of the finest... A-1 bought used engines from the guy, they were running. Apparently A-1 was not all that upset if they were blown because they started working on them immediately and did not want Propbender to buy them back... BTW A-1 never disputed any of this...Yep, Does not sound like solid business practices to me....
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spearfish3 - 12/18/2007 7:46 AM

I believe propbender said that the engines were running fine when he sent them and that the compression checked out on both engines. That to me says he sent two working engines.
Exactly....I was sold and sent 2 2001 optimax 225 motors that ran fine (FINE)I was sent 2 2001 225 opimax motors that were blown up .Luckly I know people at Mercury who advised me on how to warranty the motors which we did ......but they sent us undressed rebuilt long blocks we had to take it from there. Just bare powerheads .We are not a Mercury dealer the dealer who got them for us took the labor money We paid for good motors not blown motors our abilty has nothing to do with what we purchased .$950 wont even come close to paying the bill. So if he would like to pay the bill we will be glad to send the crates......IF the motors were FINE why did Mercury authorize the replacment powerheads. For all you people that believe him he has 4 more for sale and it states they all run fine.
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I am also FIRMLY behind propbender on this one!! He is a very respected member on more then a few forums that I regularly check out.
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A1, I have no clue how to run a bussiness or a customer service department, but I belive those that teach would be shouting.... STFU. Your diggin' deeper
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Quick question (not trying to be nasty at all)
Why did you buy 2001 engines sight unseen??? Seems like a bad policy to buy older engines without having checked them out, kind of buyer beware thing. Seems like that is rolling the dice. Being a rebuild shop his explaination of you rebuild everything seems reasonable.
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A1 Outboard - 12/18/2007 2:37 PM

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I believe propbender said that the engines were running fine when he sent them and that the compression checked out on both engines. That to me says he sent two working engines.
Exactly....I was sold and sent 2 2001 optimax 225 motors that ran fine (FINE)I was sent 2 2001 225 opimax motors that were blown up .Luckly I know people at Mercury who advised me on how to warranty the motors which we did ......but they sent us undressed rebuilt long blocks we had to take it from there. Just bare powerheads .We are not a Mercury dealer the dealer who got them for us took the labor money We paid for good motors not blown motors our abilty has nothing to do with what we purchased .$950 wont even come close to paying the bill. So if he would like to pay the bill we will be glad to send the crates......IF the motors were FINE why did Mercury authorize the replacment powerheads. For all you people that believe him he has 4 more for sale and it states they all run fine.
instead of repairing the motors, why didn't you contact the seller for an adjustment or refund if they were misrepresented?
if you decided to keep the motors and repair them that was on you, and the crates belonged to the seller regardless of the condition of the motors

I have a 38 Evans with 4 350's that run great but have a lot of hours, and I am going to replace them this winter, and have been making a list of vendors here for a quote.
I did just cross you off the list
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He sold two grunning engines. but when you got them they were blown up. I'm sorry, but i dont understand. WHO blew them up. Did the shipping company blow them up. And as mentioned earlier. If you received them "blown up" (your words) Why not call the seller? Bottom line, and it would be nice for you to answer this one. Did you make ANY money on the engines after you rebuilt them and sold them??? Any money???
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Another thing, you mention that you have the crates because you lost money. If i were to use you to do repairs or something of that nature and "I Feel" you ripped me off. Do i have the right ot just pull something off of your showroom floor and take because i feel i was ripped off....Not good buisness practice what you did by keeping the crates.......Not at all. Who made you judge and jury?
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BW23 posted this Link on the other thread... www.stayawayoutboardrepair.biz
Here is one page of it copied.

----The problems with Blackbird Industries are not new, just new to me. It’s apparently been going on for a number of years….



Here is what other are saying…


http://forums.screamandfly.com/forum...ad.php?t=78718



http://bbcboards.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=36822



http://forums.screamandfly.com/forum...ight=Blackbird



http://forums.screamandfly.com/forum...ight=Blackbird





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Your ordeal with blackbird sounds alot like mine. I too tried to be patient and give him a chance to build a powerhead that would run. It seemed the more patient I was with him the more he thought that he could take advantage of the situation. Looking back I shouldn’t have given any leeway at all and shoulda demanded a full refund after the first powerhead failed. Im new to this board, Ive only been here a few weeks. I was a little hesitate to say alot about my situation with Blackbird. I saw where he advertised on here and thought, "damn, wonder if he's got these people fooled too". But after seeing this thread I thought it important to let others know that your situation wasn't a rare occurrence with Blackbird. There’s no telling how many he's ripped off. Last night I wrote a lengthy letter to the Attorney General of Pa about Blackbird and my experience with him. I encourage you and any others he ripped off to do the same. Heres the web address: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/ good luck with your merc.



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I feel the need to defend my self as to the accusation that I scamed 1outboard on ebay. Thats nonsence. I bid $10000000.00 on his auction just so I can inform ebay members that he is a fraudulant thief. Once I won the auction I left feedback that stated simply "buyer beware". It is my personal opinion is that
1 outboard / Blackbird is a scammer!

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There are folks that don't talk about their horror stories in public because 1. they are still under warrantee or 2. he has their motor. This guy really knows how to abuse the warrantee system. A real pro. You are willing to pay more because of the warrantee and if it breaks your going to want to keep quiet so you don't create bad blood when you want to make a warrantee claim. It doesn't mean anything to him because he doesn't get a bad reputation unless someone is willing to get screwed, he doesn't have to cover the shipping, and he can just go back to the junk yard and grab another part that will get you running temporarily again. On top of that he'll feel free to borrow parts off of any motor he's got there to try and make a complete motor for another sucker. Not to mention he apparently doesn't think anybody has anything better to do than fuss around with his junk. He lies about sending out parts that you're waiting on and chooses whether or not he feels like returning phone calls. Other than that he's great.

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Does he know that that about 10 people saw and atleast three mechanics from this board actually helped Nick try to get it running? Blackbird you've got no case. Some people's time is worth more than dealing with yet another crappy rebuild. Ship it down to you, hope to get it back by summer, and then hope it will run.

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Well a few weeks ago someone asked and I figured we'd know shorty. Well we now know and are very sorry.
My brother purchased a 1999 300 Pro max from him. After giving a $1000 deposit to get the motor done he heard next week, next week for a few weeks. Well the time finally came to get the motor. A 225 EFI was being traded in the process. Well the good running 225 was traded for a 300 Pro Max that wouldn't run. The motor came with mis matched old spark plugs and a set of 250 ECU/ECM's that Blackbird took off another customer of his motor. The trim pump came with no trim lines. So I sort of though not knowing the curve on a 250 box that even running the motor was a bad idea. So trying to get the boat ready for the Summer Romp my brother was willing to do whatever to get the motor ready. This is when phone calls weren't being returned and the aggrevation really started. His first option was to have the 250 boxes re-curved. Well he got a call then..cause the boxes were someone else's. As it turns out so its the alternator ect ect ect. On top of that he had the 300 boxes sent and then retracted because he said we sent him a counter rotating gearcase which is total BS. So not only is he a scum bag but he's throwing blame around. He's driven my brother to the point where he doesn't care about a warrantee or getting the rest of his parts. He just wants the guy run out of business and to not have to deal with him anymore.

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I'm the tech that you say ass. Nicks 225 gearcase wrong . I should let this rest but guys like you have no business in the marine industry. I know that case was right there was nothing wrong with it in the first place but Nick is always worried about selling things that aren't right he wanted new seals and waterpump put in it so he didn't have to worry about anyone getting screwed. You want to throw mud , Mister 1000 motors a year(I doubt it), I've got a whole truck load of mud for you. Lets see 3 differnt heat ranges for sparkplugs(last I checked 300's only ran one), wrong ECU's(250 ECU's are different from 300's), Bleed lines(gee after 1000 engines you would think one could get that right It's a good thing Nick's no beginner), It's kinda funny as soon as the premix was run out and motor went to straight fuel KABOOM!!( maybe we forgot something else Mister 1000 motors Time will tell!!) I think 1outboard stands for 1 outboard lived more than 10hrs. I sure wish that I was having the pleasure of tearing that piece of JUNK apart. By the way we are a Premier Mercury Dealer with a service Dept second to none.



The crap mike sent me had all kinds of bastard bored cylinders. I mean like the #1 cylinder would be .20 over, the #2 .40 over, the #3 standard, the 4th might be .60 over etc. just garbage! Crap he got out of his junk yard and sent me. All of mikes junk he sent me locked up.

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If ya got here first, we Blacklisted Blackbird almost 2 years ago for the same reasons. Given their reputation, at this point you are better biting the bullet and repairing yourself before you have more problems.
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Man, I'm sorry that happened to you. Earlier last year I tried to steer a couple of prospective customers away from them because I had just a top level recall of the troubles Trikki mentions.

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Demayo is a true crook who runs a phony repair business. Don't waste your time having him "fix" your problem, cuz he'll just take parts from someone else's stuff and add it to yours.

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Black turd strikes again
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I too am one of blackbird victims. As much as i hate to say it i am suing mike over a supposed remanned powerhead. i am awaiting a court date in the PA couts asa we speak. it really aint like me to sue but i had not other options other than watch him steal my money. mike has established a reputation for ripping people off. mike advertises on this site, http://www.wmi.org/bassfish/bassboa...tors/index.html and posts here on occasion. i do my best to warn prospective customers of mikes business practices. you could say that i have become the proverbial thorn in his side. mike has a history of this activity, search this site for "1outboard" his handle he usta use here. search the wmi site for "blackbird" and you'll be amazed to the number people hes ripped off. look at post #79217. thats mike startin sh*t with me. than look at post #79283, thats my response. anyway, i wanna encourage ya to go there and tell your story. let others know of how the SOB is and maybe we can prevent this guy from screwing anyone else over.

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Black Bird

To be Forwarned is to be forarmed and also not be Ripped off.

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How to reply to this thread is difficult for me. I need to reply to this to clarify that I Jeff Pira aka "Hollywood" that has driven the Blackbird race boat to victory lane many times,,, is not the same or connected with,,,, the Blackbird industries outboard rebuilder.
Reputation of business practice is something that only you the business owner can control, and , you live and die as a result of that practice. I often wondered how long it would take for this thread to come.
I wish I could say something supportive about him as there was a time when things were good between us. I will say that am sorry to see a complaint about him make it to this board.
I use the Blackbird screen name because it is something that I am proud of. I accomplished many great things in a boat I could have called something else.
I would only hope that this matter be resolved in a happy conclusion, however this ,,, I have no control over.
There are things that you can count on in this world.......
you can not "make" a fat man lose weight
you can not "make" a drunk stop drinking
you can not "make" a liar tell the truth
and you can not "make" an asshole,,,,,,,well,,, you get the idea

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I too was taken to the bank by this so called "rebuilder". See my thread under "e-bay listings" entitled "scammers". While this is not the entire story due to the length of it. I omitted the utter arrogance of this ass and most importantly the majority of his lies that he told me. Its a good thing I'm over a thousand miles away from him, for my sake as well as his. I attempted to tell the story as unbiased as I possibly could. Truth is this rebuilder couldn’t build a powerhead if his life depended on it. His business is a junkyard. He obviously takes wrecked "junk" and attempts to piece together motors to pawn off to the buying public. As to the advise on continuing to call him until its resolved, he’s got caller I.D. I tried the same approach, even peacefully, at first. I just wish I would of found this site sooner. YOU HAVE BEEN FOREWARNED "DO NOT BUY FROM THIS COMPANY". HIS WORD IS A LIE JUST LIKE HIS WARRANTY!

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Blackbird

I've never done business with this guy, but he started losing points with me a while back on the BFHP when he started talking like he was one of the few rebuilders who could get a rebuild to run more than 100 hours. Then he ripped off a friend of mine in Texas on a lower unit that leaked like hell. I don't think I'll be having any work done by him anytime soon.

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BULL**** MIKE

YOU HAVE BEEN JURKING ME OFF SINCE I SENT YOU THE DEPOSIT WITCH YOU RECIEVED ON JULY 16.THE WORD SALAVAGE SOULD BE IN YOUR NAME .I HAVE BEEN WAY PATIENT WAITING FOR THIS LIKE NEW ENGINE THAT I FINALLY GOT TO PICK UP AT A TRUCK STOP ON THE BACK OF A FLAT BED FULL OF OTHER JUNK PARTS ON SAT AUG 16.CHECKING OVER YOUR REBUILT JUNK WASN T TIMED OR SYNCD,SEAL ON ONE INJECTOR WAS FOLDED OVER,FLYWHEEL ,RELEY/SELENOID COVERS,TIMING POINTER&BOLTARE MISSING NOT TO MENTION TPS IS BAD.YOU SELL SAVAGE NOT REMAN LIKE YOU SAY YOU DO.AND BOILER DAWG YOUR RIGHT THIS GUY IS A AROGANT JACK ASS WHICH MAKES ME A IGNORANT JERK FOR BUYING HIS LIKE NEW 300.WHAT COMES AROUND,GOES AROUND.

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Cracker - 12/18/2007 11:45 AM Quick question (not trying to be nasty at all) Why did you buy 2001 engines sight unseen??? Seems like a bad policy to buy older engines without having checked them out, kind of buyer beware thing. Seems like that is rolling the dice. Being a rebuild shop his explanation of you rebuild everything seems reasonable.
He's in the business of buying used motors from all over the country. I really doubt he's gonna send out a tech to check all the motors he's buying.

After reading the original thread, the only one who had any beef is Propbender. The other guys talk about stern drives and A1 has nothing to do with it.

Now lets look at Propbenders story.

He might have sent two working motors, I don't know. A1 might have received two blown motors, I don't know this either.

A1 says Merc exchanged the long blocks and I'm sure he has paper works to prove this. Now when some one receives a motor I doubt he just knows if it works or it doesn't., meaning he has to hook it up and run it. Time and money spent( I doubt his employees just works for him out of their kind hearts).

So he has time and money invested in this already. I understand that Propbender did the right thing and offered to buy back the motor, but did that offer also include money for the time A1 spent on the motors?



Anyway back to this post which has nothing to do with Propbemder but just a goddang Liberal(the OP), thatthinks he has to defend everyone. Hey you gonna vote for Hillary?

I'm sure Propbender doesn't need this thread to make his point for him.
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