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Old 11-07-2007, 06:28 AM
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Is it a rule on thehulltruth that someone must ask the owner of a boat being sold what his fuel burn and speed numbers are? I can almost promise you that there is not one boat on this site for sale that someone hasnt asked these questions. Is it that important of a question as when I had my boat, I really didnt care what my fuel burn was as long as I got home. The way I see it if you are going to spend tens of thousands for a boat, what difference does it make?
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Old 11-07-2007, 06:41 AM
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It means a lot if you fish far offshore. It has a major impact on your planning.
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Old 11-07-2007, 06:42 AM
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I always ask. To me its what makes or breaks a boat.
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Old 11-07-2007, 06:48 AM
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Use common sense...every new car has a sticker that shows its fuel burn "MPG" there are speed limits so speed on a car is not that important

Hell every new appliance has a sticker showing "fuel burn" electricity consumption.

It tells you the RANGE of that boat and time to the fishing grounds. VERY important to all most everybody.....but you!
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:06 AM
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I didnt ask. I got the GW 24 with a 225hp merc carb engine. so I had an idea.

That said, if I was getting a boat I knew nothing about.... I would ask.
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:15 AM
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I agree with the OP. If the boat in question is unusual, older, etc fine but when it is a recently manufactured outboard CC, Express, or WA, give me a break. Esp. when you are just a tire kicker anyway. If you are concerned about range, asking the tank size will probably get you more useful info anyway.
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:30 AM
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I would say the smart route to take would be to do your own homework. Most people will just recite factory spec's. On a larger boat, one can carry several thousand pounds of fuel and water, then theres a few knots loss from bottom paint, towers or T tops, untuned props, ect. When we bought our 290XF, every add we read recited the same factory spec's. with the tower, the addition of a generator, bottom paint, a full load of fuel, (300 gals) and water, we were running far slower than spec'd. We spent quite a bit of time with our prop shop getting things tuned. We can now hit 30 knots where the boat spec'd 36.
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:50 AM
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OP- "I really didnt care what my fuel burn was as long as I got home."

How do you go about that without burn/speed/fuel load info?
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Old 11-07-2007, 07:58 AM
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The point is, the people asking the same questions over and over don't are just that, tire kickers. If you are legitimately interested in that type of boat being offered for sale, you would have done your homework already and it is obviously largely dependent on driving style, sea state, load etc. If I buy a new boat at 150k, I'm gonna have a good idea what kind of range I will get but really wont care about my fuel burn or mpg is my point.
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:08 AM
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You obviously know WHY people ask, you just seem to be upset that they do ask. So, I'm having trouble figuring out why you care that people ask this question.

Let me put it this way: especially in this market, most sellers don't have the luxury of being snobs and turning away "tire kickers." You never know when one of these kickers might turn into a real prospect if you answer what, to you, seem like stupid questions, and thereby build a raport with them. And if they don't turn into a real prosepct, then so what? Do you really expect to sell a boat without any effort...is the right customer supposed to do all the research and fall into your lap right away?
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:09 AM
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Well, how about some pics? I think if you were selling a slightly used, but good condition dog turd, someone would ask to see a picture
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:12 AM
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I see your point huntrig. I also think a used rigged out boat is going to have it's own numbers vs a new boat on the lot. It is annoying though I see it's relavance. Buy the way, fuel burn determines range.

As far as tire kickers, I think all buyers are kickers untill the right one is found- so many nice choices out there.
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:22 AM
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My boat had a 151 gallon tank. In Maryland to fish where I did in the atlantic, I would run 40-60 out, troll all day, and run home with one half tank left. Fill tank back up and that was my day. I dont care what my mpg was. That is my point!!!
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:24 AM
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When I am at the point where I know about what I want.... ie: Lets say a 35' XXX w/twin 250 four strokes... I will already know about what the fuel burn numbers are... There are enough published results to come pretty darn close.
I probably would think the seller is going to be optimistic anyway. Kinda like all the tow vehicle threads here, '07 Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban owners, all get 18 avg... I can't get 15 on my 04... WTF? I am pretty easy on it.... So, for the last year I have been asking everyone I know with one to hit the avg mpg computer button for me, I haven't seen an average over 16.2 mpg avg yet (and that 16.2 just pulled in from 120 miles on the Parkway).
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:26 AM
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I'm mostly concerned with range, too. But since I have to know burn and speed to get there, those questions become very germaine to whether or not I open the checkbook.

And since not one boat on this site for sale that someone hasnt asked these questions, a serious THT seller should go ahead and list those specs in his ad ... unless he's just trolling for some clueless fool to buy an overpriced scow, that is. So there!
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why not list the actual weight, length, beam, fuel burn, fuel capacity, and top speed.
And have a bunch of pictures of it.

Then you don't have to answer nearly as many questions.

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Old 11-07-2007, 08:38 AM
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Curmudgeon - 11/7/2007 9:26 AM

I'm mostly concerned with range, too. But since I have to know burn and speed to get there, those questions become very germaine to whether or not I open the checkbook.

And since not one boat on this site for sale that someone hasnt asked these questions, a serious THT seller should go ahead and list those specs in his ad ... unless he's just trolling for some clueless fool to buy an overpriced scow, that is. So there!
Watch it Curmudgeon, my first boat was a Chincoteague scow and I didn't have THT to help me with my purchase 46 years ago!

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Old 11-07-2007, 09:29 AM
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huntrig - 11/7/2007 6:58 AM

If I buy a new boat at 150k, I'm gonna have a good idea what kind of range I will get but really wont care about my fuel burn or mpg is my point.
Actually, fuel consuption is very relevant to range. My little 17' center console burns 5gph at 20kts giving it a 50 mile range. At 29 kts it burns 11gph dropping the range to 28 miles. My 290XF is even more pronounced. At 20kts I burn 16gph for a 160mile range. At WOT and 30kts, it jumps to 42gph for a 85 mile range.
I agree with you on the tire kicker comment but I think fuel burn is very relevant to a purchase. I've seen many people afford to buy a boat that they couldn't afford to operate.
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Old 11-07-2007, 12:00 PM
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Lets pretend a boat buyer has his eye on two similar boats. Both will get out to the grounds but one will burn 150 gallons for the day ($500-600 cost per trip) and the other burns only 75 gallons ($250-300 cost per trip). Maybe not to everyone, but to some of us an additional cost of $300 that the higher burning boat will take is significant. A half dozen trips per month, 10 months a year and the total difference at thoes figures is an extra $18,000 annually in fuel for the higher burning boat.

That is why they ask.
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Old 11-07-2007, 12:17 PM
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Not everyone can afford to operate a boat 2mpg. As fisheadgib said, its not only the cost of the boat.
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