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Old 06-16-2007, 08:32 AM
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We get ready to go out this am for a fishing trip. I do the "preflight checks" this am but must have missed the racors...In any event I notice the starboard engine is running very rough I turn around and and it looks like a fogger. I shut the engine down and notice a lot of water in the racor. I drain and chk the other fuel filter and water is in there too. I put a new filter on re prime and try to restart. And NADA...will not fire back up..Did I get water in my injectors and if so how screwed am I? New injectors for a Volvo ...I wonder what this is going to cost.....I guess the only positive thing I can say is I work for Bosch and they make the injectors. So maybe I can buy at a discount.....THIS SUCKS

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Old 06-16-2007, 08:52 AM
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good chance the injectors are toast . you need to get all the water out of the fuel tanks ,filters lines and pumps
have the injectors tested . you should post on boatdiesel.com some good Volvo guys on there . The smoke thing scares me good luck
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Old 06-16-2007, 09:01 AM
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Until you determine the kind of water(fresh or salt), time is of the essence. If you have water coming through the fuel lines and it is fresh(not sure how you could get salt water in the fuel lines), you probably simply have a fuel system full of water. Any injector water got to is probably bad but not the end of the world depending on how difficult it is to get to them. Boatdiesel is your best bet.
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Old 06-16-2007, 09:08 AM
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If water actually got through the injectors into the cylinder, it's a pretty good bet you've got a bent rod or two. Don't try cranking it until you get a qualified technician to look at it.
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Wait, wait, wait. First, when you installed the new fuel filter, did you prime the fuel system? You may have to bleed the fuel system from an injector to get the air out. Don't panic, the fat lady hasn't sung yet. Recon how many diesels shut down from clogged filters? Your engines are fine.
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Bent rods??? Good grief!!!
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Old 06-16-2007, 09:49 AM
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Ditto what Jellybean said, water on top of the pistons is like hitting a brick wall. Get a qualified tech to clean up the mess.



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Old 06-16-2007, 09:50 AM
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Bugbuster - 6/16/2007 6:10 AM

Wait, wait, wait. First, when you installed the new fuel filter, did you prime the fuel system? You may have to bleed the fuel system from an injector to get the air out. Don't panic, the fat lady hasn't sung yet. Recon how many diesels shut down from clogged filters? Your engines are fine.
I think this guy has it right! You probably have air in the lines from the filter change. Have had three diesel motors.
Don't throw in the towel yet. These motors are a little more foregiving .....
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Old 06-16-2007, 10:00 AM
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I have already made this mistake when I was a kid in high school. Touched the starter after draining the filters on a
6-71 GM and turned it for a split second and then we had to rebuild the motor. My vote check it out first!!!! It is
the cheapest and best way out of a potential problem. Any other fuel issues can be dealt with at the same time.


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Old 06-16-2007, 10:01 AM
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God I hope so, I think I will drink heavily tonite the ironis thing is this was the first trip since November where the wind wasn't blowing its gorgeous out...But now its time to call in my surgeon volvo zen master Gary Woods Marine....My wallet is already screaming.. Oh well its only money.
I bled the system several time this am to now avail. I really hope I did not bend any rods or anything. A 12k rebuild will not sit well with the admiral ......F**k me......
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Old 06-16-2007, 10:08 AM
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As I read your initial posting, my first though was air in the lines causing no fuel to be pulled through the fuel lines and the reason for nada. By all means: Have your mechanic start there at the racors first!! Remember you have an engine spin on fuel filter too for protection. I'd change that too while he is there just to be safe and have the whole system primed to get the air out of the lines. And watch him work closely as you may need to change racors many times to get the crap out that is now in your fuel tanks.
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Old 06-16-2007, 12:01 PM
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Curious- did you just fuel up from a different source? Seems odd that you've not had water-in-the-fuel problems before, then suddenly your Racors are full of it...
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Old 06-16-2007, 12:28 PM
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I have Volvo diesels with Racors

If the water was not more than half way up the Racors you may not have ingested water into the engines

I would suggest the following . . . have the mechanic crack open (with a wrench not a hammer) the fuel line just before the injectors, one injector at a time . . . turn the key so that fel pump starts but the engine does not turn over . . . check to see what is coming out where you cracked open the fuel line . . . air or fuel are both good signs . . . water is a bad sign . . . do this for all of the injectors . . . READ YOUR MANUAL on how to restart your engines after having run out of fuel

A very small amount of water mixed in with fuel is not too bad . . . a lot of water being injected into the engine is not a good thing

Let us know the results . . . good luck
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Old 06-16-2007, 12:49 PM
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I say you didn't prime correctly.
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Old 06-16-2007, 12:51 PM
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Bugbuster - 6/16/2007 9:10 AM

Wait, wait, wait. First, when you installed the new fuel filter, did you prime the fuel system? You may have to bleed the fuel system from an injector to get the air out. Don't panic, the fat lady hasn't sung yet. Recon how many diesels shut down from clogged filters? Your engines are fine.
What he said!!
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Old 06-16-2007, 01:32 PM
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Russ.
I agree with both sides of the previous posts.
Best advice so far is from Gus.
The one thing that makes me nervous is your mention that the exhaust looked like a fogger.
Hopefully this will turn out to be something minor.
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Old 06-16-2007, 02:08 PM
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Any diesel engine will look like a fogger when there is air in the lines,not enough fuel
cause's this condition. not enough fuel means incomplete combustion which causes the
heavy white smoke. Don't panic! someone said bleed lines at injectors,correct!
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Old 06-16-2007, 02:14 PM
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I've run caterpillar machines for a year or two with a blown headgasket. After they run out of water we just start filling the radiators with oil and run em and run em. Your mechanic can lay the chrome horn to ya on this situation if he's not honest. I would pull all the injectors loose, replace all filters racors and volvo (I bet there's one on the engine itself), and start filling the filters and lines until clear fuel runs out all injectors and screw them back in and see what I've got. I would stand over the mechanic until this was done. Too easy to say you lost and engine on his part if he's dishonest. It this solves the problem, go ahead and change oil and filters too. Hope all goes your way and be careful on expensive advice disigned to keep high dollar mechanics in business. A diesel is much simpler and tougher than a gas engine. This would be a great time to get some DIY experience, which will save you money in the future. It's really so easy a cave man can do it. Where ya at, buy my gas and some beer and I'll come fix it for ya.
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There is a fuel filter on Volvo diesel engines, usually next to the oil filter
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Old 06-16-2007, 04:11 PM
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This is a little off the subject, but not much: If the Racor "fills" with water, doesn't this prevent anything icluding fuel from reaching the outlet of the filter? I have never seen water in the blue bowls on my gas racors, but I was always wondering what if you burn 50 gallons of fuel one day of water laden gas, will the racor save the engine from seeing water?

I usually only look at the bowls when I prime/start the engines at the beginning of a day. I could envision where you have a 1/2 tank of fuel that sits for a couple of weeks, condensation happens every day, the water settles to the bottom of the tank where the pickup is, and then a 1/2 pint of water fills the racor's bowl.

Good luck with the diesel, I hope it turns out to be an easy fix.

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