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Old 05-20-2007, 08:16 PM
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I think it is only a way for the government & worse yet, the corrupt State of NJ to suck more money out of the public.
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Old 05-20-2007, 09:27 PM
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agree with you docj....anybody who is not going to use any common sense out on the water, still wont even after taking the course...
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Old 05-20-2007, 10:02 PM
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tilewave - 5/20/2007 8:00 PM

yes definately, i learned a few things when i got it for my jet ski. i bet anybody who takes it and pays attention will learn a few things. anyone opposing taking a safety course is an idiot from the start.
LOL a jet ski owner calling out people on safety training.......bawahahahaha
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Old 05-20-2007, 10:20 PM
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I'd require training only for those with autopilot. Seems they have a bad habit of going below for wine and cheese and running over some poor blue-collar fisherman.

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Old 05-20-2007, 10:35 PM
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All joking aside, as retired Military, training was our primary focus. I believe in training. I took the USPS course before my boat was delivered...even though I grew up in a 16' wooden boat my father built back in 1958. He trained me well, but I took the training anyway. Learned a lot. It won't fix the idiot who has a testosterone overload of the brain, but even if it positively affects 50% of the boating public, I'm for it.

The only way you change an American's behavior is thorugh his pocketbook. Therefore, I'd also let the insurance companies double the premiums. You get 25% back with a training certificate, and another 25 % back after 5-years of accident free and DUI free boating.


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Old 05-20-2007, 10:50 PM
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Out on the water today there were two boats so close behind each other I could have sworn that the first boat was towing the second.
Upon further inspection, the second boat was just that close to the first!

It looked like they were drafting!

The 5-wide ramp also provided for some good views while waiting for take out.
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Old 05-20-2007, 11:42 PM
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TN FREEBIRD - 5/19/2007 10:57 PM

mronzo - 5/19/2007 10:07 PM

In NY you need the Safe boating course and PWC endorsement to drive a jetski!
Yet all you need to drive a big Hatt is $ and insurance!

But PWCs account for a much higher % of deaths on the water!

And Hatt owners tend to take care of their vessels!


Right TN?!
Well, that's as far as I got through the other posts!

All kidding aside, I would love to see either mandatory boater education or licensing or BOTH!

It is true you can't legislate stupid, but I think most of the problem boaters who aggravate ALL of us do so out of pure inexperience. One thing for sure, licensing can't hurt, period. Prove you can operate a boat safely or no license, no insurance, no idiots on the water.

The size or cost of the boat has NOTHING to do with that fact. There are plenty of idiots to go around on all sizes of boat.

Why are some of you afraid of having to prove you can handle your boats? Spare me all the anti-government crap please!
Holy Crap,,,,,,TN and I are TOTAL agreement on something hope the sky doesnt fall on all of us . I like the idea because once you do something stupid and get caught enough times they could take your license away and keep your drunk/stupid a$$ off the water and make us all safer.
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Old 05-21-2007, 12:20 AM
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mirage2521 - 5/20/2007 11:42 PM

TN FREEBIRD - 5/19/2007 10:57 PM

mronzo - 5/19/2007 10:07 PM

In NY you need the Safe boating course and PWC endorsement to drive a jetski!
Yet all you need to drive a big Hatt is $ and insurance!

But PWCs account for a much higher % of deaths on the water!

And Hatt owners tend to take care of their vessels!


Right TN?!
Well, that's as far as I got through the other posts!

All kidding aside, I would love to see either mandatory boater education or licensing or BOTH!

It is true you can't legislate stupid, but I think most of the problem boaters who aggravate ALL of us do so out of pure inexperience. One thing for sure, licensing can't hurt, period. Prove you can operate a boat safely or no license, no insurance, no idiots on the water.

The size or cost of the boat has NOTHING to do with that fact. There are plenty of idiots to go around on all sizes of boat.

Why are some of you afraid of having to prove you can handle your boats? Spare me all the anti-government crap please!
Holy Crap,,,,,,TN and I are TOTAL agreement on something hope the sky doesnt fall on all of us . I like the idea because once you do something stupid and get caught enough times they could take your license away and keep your drunk/stupid a$$ off the water and make us all safer.
Are you referring to me as the drunk/stupid a$$?

I'll assume not as I am neither, but you did seem a bit full of yourself on another thread when you "addressed" me.

Just curious, which of the certifications you list in your signature are real?
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Old 05-21-2007, 06:17 AM
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Being from NJ, the corruption state, I am usually against additional governmental regulation=pad the coffers. However I have to admit that I believe recently implemented "Boaters Safety Certificate" requirement to be a good thing. For many years, NJ required a "Boating License" for operating a vessel on inland waters, basically lakes. This was nothing more than paying a fee to DMV and having the word boat placed on your driver's license. Yeah, the fee was supposed to go towards maintaining the lakes...RIGHT!

But at least the Safety Certificate is a step in the right direction-it seems to be much more focused on education versus revenue raising. At least everyone must get exposed to the boating rules and regulations/know that they exist. I bet it will only improve the skills of about 10-20% of the boaters out there, but at least it is some improvement.

FWIW, I ended up taking the course 2x; once in '97 when I bought a JETSKI (oh no!) given by the CGA because it was required at the time, and once in 2000, when I bought my first offshore capable boat and realized I needed some education-taught by the power squadrons. Both times, only $10 of the total fee went to the state for the actual certificate fee; rest were to the respective organizations for material and time. Currently the certificate does not expire nor require additional annual fees.

Not to get offensive, however I do have a question. For all those objecting to a type of licensing/safety program, what is an alternative plan to improve safety on the water? And who should be responsible for implementing, maintaining and monitoring it?
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Old 05-21-2007, 08:07 AM
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Va just passed such a law, the exclusions are for those "renting" I.E. TOURISTS and first time BUYERS ! As I wrote to both the author of the bill, some dippy woman from the western part of the state and my rep...these are the ones MOST likely to cause/have an accident, so don't tell me this is about safety. I also mentioned before it was passed, that they already established the fine for operating without their little card in ones possesion, but hadn't figured out how to administer this garbage or how to PAY for it.

I also reminded my guy that I am not required by the USCG to carry my license in order to dock the Nimitz, but you expect me to show it to some beuracrat in order to have him issue me one of their cards and without said card I get fined $250.00.......But it's all about safety right??? Bulls$%t! I refuse to comply with this idiocy, they can KMA.
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Old 05-21-2007, 08:19 AM
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some how ive managed to run a boat the last 48 years with out one.....the safety and fishing regs are already lengthy....now you want to add another layer of BS....
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Old 05-21-2007, 08:34 AM
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Just take a test through the local MARINE resources office, get a certificate, and add on an additional endorsement to the driver's license. If you pass you get the endorsement, if not then you are just an driver on a boat.
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Old 05-21-2007, 08:45 AM
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OH YEA LOOK HOW LICENSES HELPED YOUR ROADWAYS GET REAL ITS JUST ANOTHER FORM OF GOVT CONTROL AND MONEY JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE PASSES A TEST DOESNT MEAN HES NOT A JERK IF YOUR AFAID TO GO OUT ON THE STAY HOME AND WATCH TV
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Old 05-21-2007, 09:08 AM
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The PA test online had some insane quiestions. They could have done a better job making up this one for the average boater. I give them a D- and I paid $ 15.00 .
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Old 05-21-2007, 09:31 AM
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Horrible, Horrible Idea.

In RI we have to take the course for jetskis. You can take the test online for free as a practice and I can pass it no problem. The test is good, and everyone should take it but the "license" is BS. First, even though it is mandatory for anyone who wants to drive a jetski to have one, I know that only %50 or less actually do. The second thing is it turns into a stupid money grab since it is not a fedral license. So you mean to tell me whenever I go out of state with my boat I need to get a new license? F that.
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Old 05-21-2007, 09:51 AM
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i am ALL for the idea. If you have been down here to south FL on any holliday you can understand why. People who have the $$ just go buy whatever they want and have no idea of how to use it. A month or two ago I was washing the boat right under the bridge off of PGA. Saw a 60 ft Trawler brand new on his first sail try to go under the bridge. He misseed it by a hair...like 10 feet. Ripped the exaust out of the top, all electronics and the bridge then got stuck!
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I'm in NJ... What fee is the state getting that you guys are talking about? The state is getting nothing that I am aware of.

Yeah once again, I'm going against the grain. Not only do I think it should be mandatory that anyone on the water take a written course, I think they should mandated to take a real course. A real course behind the wheel, and a real test behind the wheel. There are more people on the water than ever before, the amount of navigatable water hasn't increased.

I recently completed a motorcyle course in Florida, I learned a lot more than I anticipated. I (and most any other fool) can figure out how to operate a motorcycle or drive a boat, that doesn't mean it's being done correctly, or safely. Hands on with an instructor, you're starting off with less bad habits, much better than learning the hard way.

I think a course could be given by licensed 6-pack captains, something else they could do with the ticket to make a few bucks.

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Old 05-21-2007, 10:37 AM
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Honestly, in my area, I haven't seen enough of a problem to warrant more regulations. If there was a problem government regulations would not solve it anyway.
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Old 05-21-2007, 10:57 AM
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As others have stated, here in CT you must pass a boaters safety course and obtain a liscense. IMHO, I think it's a good idea, even if you don't pay attention, you will still learn some valuable info. No it's not gonna stop some people from being idiots, but it may help the safe boater deal with the idiots. Also, I don't believe it's in place to generate revenue. The classes are either free or offered by local schools, towns, etc. for a nominal fee. The actual liscense cost is small too, and a one time charge.
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LostShaker - 5/21/2007 9:51 AM

i am ALL for the idea. If you have been down here to south FL on any holliday you can understand why. People who have the $$ just go buy whatever they want and have no idea of how to use it. A month or two ago I was washing the boat right under the bridge off of PGA. Saw a 60 ft Trawler brand new on his first sail try to go under the bridge. He misseed it by a hair...like 10 feet. Ripped the exaust out of the top, all electronics and the bridge then got stuck!
I hate to be a stickler but how did the guy miss the bridge by a 10 foot hair and still damage his boat? I assume you were talking about a pillar, but 10 feet is not very close when you are running a larger boat through most draw bridges.

This guy obviously didn't know how tall his boat was or didn't check the tide or look at the bridge clearance marker, but that is a lot different than not being able to operate it properly. Granted, he should have known how tall the boat was before heading out, and he could have been a Captain who was just transporting the boat. Either way, that was inexcusable.

How many times have you seen rental trucks do the same things under bridges? It doens't necessarily mean they can't drive, they're just not used to driving something that tall. Chalk it up to lack of experience and/or education through proper training.

Okay guys, it's obvious the majority of you are against licensing, but I still don't really know why. At the risk of taking this thread in another direction, how many of you use the same argument AGAINST gun control? Will that have any different affect as to laws really changing the way people do things?

If you are against boater licensing but for gun control, then I would respectfully suggest you take a look in the mirror and reconsider both views.
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