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Old 05-06-2007, 06:42 PM
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Old 05-06-2007, 07:19 PM
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Capt. Nemo - 5/6/2007 5:31 PM I've spent forty years on the water and, in my experience, blowboaters are far and away the biggest offenders of just about every rule of boating. Power boats are occasionally guilty, but much less frequently. I think when a sailboat owner/operator is told that he has the right-of-way over power boats, while under sail, it is interpreted as "I have no rules to comply with and every other vessel has to watch out for me. I own the water".
I have to agree with this. Although we only get the occasional sail down out of Fourchon, I've had to deal with a lot in the past and a whole lot this past weekend in Orange Beach.

Most of them you see are torn up POS's with some wierdo behind the wheel. I have total respect for the nicer ones being captained by a knowledgable skipper...especially those huge sailboats you see (aka Hinckleys etc).

Its the ugly torn apart ones that mostly seem to think they own the waterway, in fact I got a few fingers cast my way when I did not yield way to them this past weekend when they were under power, sails down, therefore making it a POWERBOAT. The USCG rules clearly state that as the case.

For all you mindful sailboat owners out there, more power to you-wish I could run something like that even if it was a small schooner. I know nothing about operating under sail.

But for all you sail owners under power that think you own the road, Why don't you read the rules of the road sometime, until then get out of the way and quit yer bitchin
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Old 05-06-2007, 07:35 PM
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Try bringing over 400 tons back to the wall with a 20+ knot beam wind and a down bow thruster. This while some yahoo is tacking his 30 foot hunter inside of me, and my only window. Security calls were made, whistles were blown. This is one of many close calls I have had and by far the majority have been with daysailers. All was well, but to this day I can not figure out why you would want to spend all day going nowhere with an attidude.

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Old 05-06-2007, 08:32 PM
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LUCKY DAVE - 5/6/2007 3:14 PM



"11PM"

"I was running at about 18 knots "



So a sail boat may have an electrical problem. And maybe he should have been running some type of light - any tyupe of light.

But hey- the guy complaining is the brainiac running at 18 knots at night, the only lookout awake, in crowded waters.

Pot, meet Kettle.
Obviously Lucky Dave doesn't know anything about the traffic offshore Port Canaveral at 11 PM. I was returning to port from 39 nm out and this was the first target I had seen, either visually or with the radar. With my 6 kw radar I can pick up crappots and weedlines on relatively calm waters. Right or wrong, I think cruising at 18 knots in these conditions was prudent.

Maybe I should have reported this to the CG but I really didn't think about it. I did think about trying to signal the sailboat someway, but I really didn't want to be anywhere near this boat.

Thi winds at the time were about 3 knots out of the east, so how fast could a sail boat run on a northward track? I had my the autopilot on with a waypoint set for the port and this boat was dead on my track for the entire 3 miles that I was watching him and until I reduced power. Until I visually aquired the sails and saw the pointy end, I could not even tell which direction he was moving.
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Old 05-06-2007, 11:59 PM
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Oh, so we're ranting on blow-boaters today... Well, today there was this pair of ladies on their HobieCat. They were enjoying the weahter and just hanging out. Not too big of a deal except that they were hanging out on the boat ramp dock and there were 3 boats drifting in the harbor waiting to tie up so they could be pulled out. It took an angry gesture to get them to move.
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Old 05-07-2007, 12:31 AM
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[Obviously Lucky Dave doesn't know anything about the traffic offshore Port Canaveral at 11 PM. I was returning to port from 39 nm out and this was the first target I had seen, either visually or with the radar. With my 6 kw radar I can pick up crappots and weedlines on relatively calm waters. Right or wrong, I think cruising at 18 knots in these conditions was prudent. ]
I don't think running over about 10 knots after dark is safe anywhere.
I have a 90,000 pound heavily built boat with a 12kw and a 25kw radar, and I can't see awash shipping containers, floating logs, (lost) heavy ship's hawsers, drift nets, tuna pens, and unlit Mexican Panga's at night.
And neither can you.
Returning from 39 miles out? We venture a little farther out west, sometimes as far as 1000 miles, so we tend to be self sufficient when it comes to collisions and avoiding them.
Don't run any faster at night than you're willing to hit things. Sooner or later you will.
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Old 05-07-2007, 01:41 AM
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18 knots is perfectly reasonable. Commercial ships run 24-30 knots all night long and let me tell you, they are b-l-i-n-d. Even if they did see you, they couldn't stop. A small boat you simply back off the throttles and you are dead in the water in a second. All of the debris you listed would be difficult to spot even during the day. It wouldn't be that much safer to run 18 knots in the day. Of course, if there are crab pots involved, I would be affraid to run at night all together.
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Old 05-07-2007, 06:25 AM
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Thi winds at the time were about 3 knots out of the east, so how fast could a sail boat run on a northward track?

I just happend to think to check the winds at the PC 20nm buoy(41009), I made an error and the winds were actually easterly at 9.7 knots.

Lucky Dave,
I have a 6 ton fiberglass boat and no license to operate it. I do think about speed and evaluate how much throttle I will be using each time I advance it. That is why I was not at my normal cruising speed. I am well aware of all the objects that are floating out there and the possibilities. For those possibilities, I carry all of the CG required safety gear plus a life raft and EPIRB. I am not an engineer but I can't see where hitting a sail boat broadside at 10 knots or 18 knots would make much difference. I am notgoing to go test my theory to prove a point but I think that my boat would actually be safer cruising on plane verses at 10 knots. At 10 knots the bow is high(reduced forward visibility) and the stern and running gear are digging deeper into the water. My thinking is that hitting a mostly submerged object would make more of a glancing blow if on plane. I know there will be damage in either situation but I think it would be less catostrofic. Of course I could eliminate all risk and not go on the water.

Tight Lines,
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Old 05-07-2007, 07:30 AM
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Your running a 25kw on your masthead and you can't pick up a 24 foot Mexican panga

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Old 05-07-2007, 07:33 AM
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And the East coast rules
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Old 05-07-2007, 07:47 AM
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Most, again MOST , blowboaters are arrogant treehugging liberals who think of themselves as great adventurers and purists, superior to us fossil fuel burning, fish hunting killers, but are actually the cheapest sob's on the planet.

They can also be the stupidest. Many's the time I've had one cross ahead of me while I was piloting something that would take 5 miles to stop had I chosen to try it. They need to understand the laws of gross tonnage because as a pilot friend once explained to a captain of a coal carrier when a sailboat ran under his bows, " I look aft, if I don't see fiberglass, I figure I missed him".

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Old 05-07-2007, 07:52 AM
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Old 05-07-2007, 09:27 AM
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Apparently I am in the minority as far as how I feel about sailboats and my experiences with their operators. The attitude of the majority and the administrator may be the reason why you don't see more sailboat owners posting here. It's more than evident some of you have an intense latent hostility for them. That's fine.....I feel the same in regards to PWC's....but that's subject matter for a whole different thread.
And before anyone asks.....no, I do not own a sailboat or have any interest in sailing.
I thought this was a boating forum, and the last time I looked sailboats fell under that description.
I'm done here......off my soapbox.....
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Old 05-07-2007, 09:30 AM
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The arrogance of Wiley is laughable. As both a sailboat and powerboat owner I can tell you that i have seen more dangerous, stupid and plain inexcusable boat operation by power boaters who don't have a clue about the 'rules of the road' then my grandmother.....Seen my fair share of macho guys with their overpowered boats, roaring out the inlet without regard for any smaller vessels creating a wake that could swamp a small boat...or how about the morons that ride the smooth water off of your transom at high speed. We had to make a quick stop for floating debris two years ago in the St. Lucie Inlet and the guy on my ass, whose boat was poorly trimmed and could not see over his bow very well almost landed in my cockpit. An assault rifle would have come in handy that day...and I can't tell you how many sport fishermen I have had to wait to cross a bridge because they didn't want to lower the outriggers....The sailor off of Port Canaveral was operating his vessel in a dangerous manner but for Wiley to slam all sailors because he is too much in a hurry to wait 10 minutes is pathetic. I don't care how long this guy has been a 'moderator' big deal....his opinion still sucks....and no doubt he is one of the guys who operate their boats as thought THEY own the waterway...I bet he speeds through 'no wake' zones when no one is looking....
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Old 05-07-2007, 09:41 AM
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I have a powerboat and a sailboat so I like both.....but I have a funny story. I was delivering a brand new Cabo up the ditch about 6 years ago and passed a sailboat in a very narrow section. Of course they did not slow down so I had the awkward problem of having to make about 8 knots (big wake) to pass them going 6 knots. The funny part came when we got up alongside this 30 year old pile of crap billowing black smoke out all over the place from its 30 year old engine...the lady actually gave us dirty looks and wafted her hand in front of her face implying we were a "stinkpot" polluting the waterway. Of course our brand new boat did not have a hint of smoke, and hers was blowing crap all over. I found that very amusing, wish I would have had a video camera.
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Old 05-07-2007, 09:43 AM
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Aubrey, you should have launched a heaver at that sailboat.
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Old 05-07-2007, 09:48 AM
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yup.... all i know is the ONLY boats that waste time, energy and taxpayers dollars opening the draw spans in my area are sailboats with their masts - even on the largest of bridges. yup... I am as entitled as anyone to be annoyed by this, like it or not.

And if some of you speed readers would re-read my post before making judgement I said ALL bridge openings are "pompous", even if it's for my boat. A way of life yes, doesn't mean I don't have the right to be annoyed by it even if it hurts your tender feelings.

I always thought sailboaters were friendly, but after re-reading this thread I really wonder. From what I read guys like "sailandfish" want me DEAD simply because I get annoyed when they make our 35' draw bridges go up all day long.

I didn't build THT on butt-kissing like those other so-called boating forums did. I built it on being able to speak your opinion pro or con. Well, you got mine and their won't be any apology for the fact I'm tired (like thousands of others) on waiting on sailboats all day.



PS... I'm far from being anti-sailboater. I have plenty of friends who own and operate sailboats. Even THEY understand why I'm upset with this.

Jim, Tabman... will you forgive my comments?
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Sailboats suck.
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Generalizations aside, the incident (or lack therof) shows what good equipment, being prepared and vigilant while at the helm can accomplish

Good job Aubrey

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HOTSPOT - 5/7/2007 9:56 AM

Sailboats suck.
Nothing like getting right to the subliminal of the matter.


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