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Old 04-28-2021, 06:44 PM
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I have a brand new boat with a foam cored hull. I found a bulge in the skin of the hull that sounds hollow. The warranty claim has been made and waiting to hear back from manufacturer. While waiting on them, they gave me the go ahead to install a thru hull transducer. When I cut the hole, a lot of water came out...like more than 5 gallons.

Would a survey of the boat paid for by me be wise before allowing the factory to attempt repairs?

im specifically not mentioning the builder as I’m going to continue to believe they’ll handle this right, but I also want to protect myself in case they decide to band aid the problem.

any thoughts or experiences anyone cares to share?

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04-28-2021, 08:18 PM
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A new cored hull and five gallons of water leaking out? You need a new hull. That boat is a mess.
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Honest question, you pulled the boat for the ducer install, obviously it was on a trailer/ stand at that point…could this have just been Bilge water/drainage from tilting the boat out of water on an angle…you’d be surprised how much water seems like it comes out sometimes.
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I don't know that I've ever heard a manufacturer warrant a boat against getting water in the hull or against getting foam wet.

What constitutes a defect is very debatable if it's not structurally unsound, or cosmetic. The vast majority of boats ever made have been a total POS......... So it's quite hard to argue that yours should not be.

Am I to understand you drilled through the hull from a place such as inside the bilge area where you could locate a transducer and the water leaked out from in between the two hulls where it was foam filled..on a new boat.

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Originally Posted by SeeSalt View Post
Honest question, you pulled the boat for the ducer install, obviously it was on a trailer/ stand at that point…could this have just been Bilge water/drainage from tilting the boat out of water on an angle…you’d be surprised how much water seems like it comes out sometimes.
thats a good question, but no. The boat has 2.1 hours on it. The bilge is very accessible and the boat hadn’t been in water for over 4 weeks. The entire bulge area to the garboard drain was dry. When I drilled the pilot hole through the foam cored hull, water came out, immediately. It was definitely between the layers of foam in the core of the boat.
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Originally Posted by mbb View Post
I don't know that I've ever heard a manufacturer warrant a boat against getting water in the hull or against getting foam wet.

What constitutes a defect is very debatable if it's not structurally unsound, or cosmetic. The vast majority of boats ever made have been a total POS......... So it's quite hard to argue that yours should not be.

Am I to understand you drilled through the hull from a place such as inside the bilge area where you could locate a transducer and the water leaked out from in between the two hulls where it was foam filled..on a new boat.
thats correct. This is a boat with a sealed, foam filled cavity between an inner skin and outer hull. There was substantial water in this cavity in the foam and one area of the outer liner (away from where I drilled for the transducer) the outer skin is clearly separated from the foam core. It hangs down about an inch and has a very hollow sound.
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In for this one!!
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Originally Posted by Boatstuff27 View Post
thats correct. This is a boat with a sealed, foam filled cavity between an inner skin and outer hull. There was substantial water in this cavity in the foam and one area of the outer liner (away from where I drilled for the transducer) the outer skin is clearly separated from the foam core. It hangs down about an inch and has a very hollow sound.
Separated=delaminated, and not going to get better.. Snap a few pics when you get enough posts.
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Originally Posted by Boatstuff27 View Post
thats a good question, but no. The boat has 2.1 hours on it. The bilge is very accessible and the boat hadn’t been in water for over 4 weeks. The entire bulge area to the garboard drain was dry. When I drilled the pilot hole through the foam cored hull, water came out, immediately. It was definitely between the layers of foam in the core of the boat.
yup, obviously that’s not good…thank you for the clarification
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A survey wouldn't be a bad idea. At least you'll have it documented by an expert in the event you encounter difficulties getting the manufacturer to remedy the situation to your satisfaction. Worst case, you will have wasted the money on the survey. But if that's the case, then the manufacturer will have probably done right by you and you will have been made happy with the outcome.

Definitely sounds like have a defective hull.
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I’ve seen people call out manufacturers only to delete posts and try to minimize the damage publically later.

what does this process look like for anyone who has done it? Do manufacturers ever just replace the hull? Do they attempt repairs that are just enough to “get by”?

at what point does legal advice help? I don’t want to jump the gun and make a situation more adversarial than it needs to be, but I also don’t want to hear someone say, “you shoulda called an attorney at the very beginning”.
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You should call an attorney.
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Let the manufacturer respond first. It’s a big problem but they could take care of you quickly and well.
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A new cored hull and five gallons of water leaking out? You need a new hull. That boat is a mess.
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Talk about a bummer, sorry fella. Definitely sounds out of the ordinary. All the best for a favorable outcome.
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Could be a leaking holding tank, hose or fitting.
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Lemme guess, you bought a Bayliner.
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Originally Posted by jayyy View Post
Could be a leaking holding tank, hose or fitting.

nope, again, this water came from in between the layers of a foam cored hull. Tanks and hoses are all inside the inner line and leaks there would rain out the garboard drain.
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Originally Posted by Boatstuff27 View Post
at what point does legal advice help? I don’t want to jump the gun and make a situation more adversarial than it needs to be, but I also don’t want to hear someone say, “you shoulda called an attorney at the very beginning”.
You don't think they have a pile of attorneys at their beck and call already? You think they're going to do a much better job in correcting the situation if you DON'T call an attorney?

Anyway, getting legal help does not automatically translate into making the situation adversarial. That, and with a survey, will allow you to make a more informed decision (like just get a new boat!!!).
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Originally Posted by El Comandante View Post
Lemme guess, you bought a Bayliner.
^^ enter the village idiot.

Good luck OP. If I were you I would seek out a good marine lawyer.
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We probably don't have all the story but based on what you have said, if this were my boat and the builder did not already say bring it back we will REPLACE it with a new boat, This is not some minor issue like a scratch on your gel coat! I would have the issue inspected and documented by a competent well-respected surveyor, maybe even two, and then not do anything else with the boat, like add gear, through-hulls, etc including use it and, yep, contact an attorney who has product liability experience. Good luck to you!

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