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Old 05-01-2021, 08:22 AM
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There has been a lot of speculation so far with very little useful information posted so far by the OP...not even one picture...it has taken 4 days just to find out that it is fresh water that has found it's way into the boat...are we being played ?

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Originally Posted by Strick View Post
There has been a lot of speculation so far with very little useful information posted so far by the OP...not even one picture...it has taken 4 days just to find out that it is fresh water that has found it's way into the boat...are we being played ?

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Nope, not getting played (why would anyone do that anyhow). I’m just trying to get advice without trashing a manufacturer and compromising the choices available to me.

the advice, so far, has been super helpful and the distinction between fresh and salt water was a big one. I really appreciate the thoughtful advice.


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Old 05-01-2021, 10:46 AM
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I'm not sure why being fresh water makes it less of a problem. If the inner and outer layers of glass are bonded correctly to the core, I don't see how it could hold 5 gallons of water. If it is holding water between either of the skins and the core, that is the real problem. If there are bulges and a hollow sound when tapped, that delamination in a brand new boat is the real problem. Not whether it is fresh water or salt.
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Originally Posted by Capt. Fred View Post
I'm not sure why being fresh water makes it less of a problem. If the inner and outer layers of glass are bonded correctly to the core, I don't see how it could hold 5 gallons of water. If it is holding water between either of the skins and the core, that is the real problem. If there are bulges and a hollow sound when tapped, that delamination in a brand new boat is the real problem. Not whether it is fresh water or salt.
not so much that it’s less of a problem, it’s a critically defective hull either way. However, hull replacement would likely be 12 month process at best…a boat with delamination of several places in the hull, while not a viable long term product, can probably be used safely for a year while waiting on replacement. Correct?

Im thinking that’s my best path forward.
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Originally Posted by Capt. Fred View Post
I'm not sure why being fresh water makes it less of a problem.
Yeah, my suggestion (BTW where's my like?) had nothing to do with that. When OP goes to battle with the dealer, manufacturer, etc. the more facts he's got the better. Now we know that it's coming from the top the number of possibilities is significantly reduced. IIWM next I'd be crawling around inside to find the source. You go in there with some hard evidence and IMO your position is significantly stronger.
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For the OP -
I'm a marine surveyor and have done a lot of work as an expert for boat builders in warranty cases (and a couple of times for boat owners). From what you describe your hull has a real problem. Hire a really good surveyor. The builder is almost certainly going to want to bring the boat back. Make sure your surveyor documents everything before you send the boat back to the builder. I would hold off hiring an attorney for now, until you see what the builder plans to do. But I would be the squeaky wheel. You didn't say how long this has been going on, but you want to be using your boat now! Call the warranty department at the builder regularly. Document all your contact with your dealer and the builder. Send me a PM if I can be of any help. (But just FYI I probably don't want the survey assignment.)

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The vast majority of boats ever made have been a total POS......... So it's quite hard to argue that yours should not be.
Where in the world did that bs come from? That is so untrue! How many boats have you owned/repaired/surveyed? The vast majority of boats are out there doing what their owners bought them to do, with few or no problems. I've owned five boats over the years, both power and sail. I've surveyed thousands. I just don't understand where you are coming from.
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Old 05-01-2021, 04:37 PM
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Sounds like rain water getting in through ? that is, if you boat in salt water. It’s always been amazing to me how much water can get through a almost invisible opening!
Imho, I think you may have a leak and not a huge structural problem. I know I almost sank a brand new Hydrasport because of a pin hole leak in a live well - dealer couldn’t find but I found a way to locate it.

I also think you’re using the right strategy with the manuf but survey might be a good back up plan.
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OP. You shouldn’t bother coming here if your not going to give specific information. If we knew what kind of boat it is there are many experts on here that would explain what’s going on a give a history of how that manufacturer has dealt with problems in the past. It only helps you to name the boat when others have the manufacturer have came on here and solved the problem way quicker then yours is getting solved. It’s called goodwilll. It makes others trust the brand.
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Originally Posted by Boatstuff27 View Post
Nope, not getting played (why would anyone do that anyhow). I’m just trying to get advice without trashing a manufacturer and compromising the choices available to me.

the advice, so far, has been super helpful and the distinction between fresh and salt water was a big one. I really appreciate the thoughtful advice.
showing us a small picture of the delamination you are talking about (and the bulge) would be useful and you would not necessarily be giving the manufacturer away...and lend some credibility to your questions on this board...

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does your insurance cover manufacturer's defects? if they wont take the hull back and give you a new one/refund, and your insurance would cover it, could be worth a shot to see if the boat can be totaled?

i am scratching my head why when you knew there was a potential issue you touched the boat? you should've hired a pro to document it and not touched it. that is how insurance companies get out of a lot of claims... they usually require first right to inspect, and if you've touched/dissembled/done anything, easy claim denial. i can see a boat builder trying to pull a similar stunt.

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Sounds like two problems, bulge/hollow area and water in the sandwich...
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Originally Posted by mystery View Post
does your insurance cover manufacturer's defects? if they wont take the hull back and give you a new one/refund, and your insurance would cover it, could be worth a shot to see if the boat can be totaled?
Typical hull Insurance policies will not cover this type of issue.
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Originally Posted by barrell View Post
OP. You shouldn’t bother coming here if your not going to give specific information. If we knew what kind of boat it is there are many experts on here that would explain what’s going on a give a history of how that manufacturer has dealt with problems in the past. It only helps you to name the boat when others have the manufacturer have came on here and solved the problem way quicker then yours is getting solved. It’s called goodwilll. It makes others trust the brand.
The OP has expressed his reasoning. You need to respect his decision.
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Originally Posted by Strick View Post
showing us a small picture of the delamination you are talking about (and the bulge) would be useful and you would not necessarily be giving the manufacturer away...and lend some credibility to your questions on this board...

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I have no issues with the OP's credibility. Unless "us" is gonna fix the boat, knowing there's 5 gallons of water in the hull is all us need to know.
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Old 05-02-2021, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by mystery View Post
does your insurance cover manufacturer's defects? if they wont take the hull back and give you a new one/refund, and your insurance would cover it, could be worth a shot to see if the boat can be totaled?
I think he would need to pour gasoline all over the cockpit, then send his mother-in-law onboard to have a smoke.....
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Originally Posted by Boatstuff27 View Post
not so much that it’s less of a problem, it’s a critically defective hull either way. However, hull replacement would likely be 12 month process at best…a boat with delamination of several places in the hull, while not a viable long term product, can probably be used safely for a year while waiting on replacement. Correct?

Im thinking that’s my best path forward.

I think it is a safety issue. A delaminated hull has lost a big percentage of its strength and it will probably only get worse with use. I suspect that the manufacturer is going to want it back pronto. I wonder what would happen if you refused to let them take it back? Would it void your warranty?

Whether they decide to repair it or give you a new boat, it might be a while. With the way supply chains have been screwed up, I bet that you might be in for a longer wait than you would like, either way.

As bad as this sucks for you, I would be super surprised if the manufacturer didn't make it right. What you are describing is waaaaay beyond the normal gel coat cracking, screws pulling out, welds cracking stuff we normally hear about.
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Originally Posted by Boatstuff27 View Post
I have a brand new boat with a foam cored hull. I found a bulge in the skin of the hull that sounds hollow. The warranty claim has been made and waiting to hear back from manufacturer. While waiting on them, they gave me the go ahead to install a thru hull transducer. When I cut the hole, a lot of water came out...like more than 5 gallons.
They set you up for failure - drilling that hole just got them off the hook..........

Very poor decision - unless you have that in writing.........

You have no proof of a defect at all now.......
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Get a qualified surveyor... My neighbor took delivery on a new 900 k CC and had it surveyed immediately.... They found a few minor issues and one major.. The transom bolts were not adequate for the motors.... The manufacturer was quick to make repairs but that could have been ugly.....
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Originally Posted by DF729 View Post
They set you up for failure - drilling that hole just got them off the hook..........

Very poor decision - unless you have that in writing.........

You have no proof of a defect at all now.......

except for a large delaminated hull bulge and photos and video of 7 gallons of water coming out of the hull…other than that, no proof at all
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Bulge ? After you drilled the hole they will say - count on it...

Not saying you don't have the issue - just saying they have set you up for failure unless you have it in writing to drill that hole......

I hope you get it worked out but I just don't trust the OEM - always get it in writing so the warranty is not voided..
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