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Old 04-29-2021, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Rferrell View Post
In for this one!!
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Old 04-29-2021, 10:34 AM
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Agree with previous comments that if there is enough void internally to hold 5 gallons there is something very wrong. I am familiar with Whalers and the foam fills all spaces between inner and outer skins. May not be true of all foam filled boats.
Old 04-29-2021, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tpenfield View Post
following along . . . this should be interesting.

How new is 'brand new"? days, weeks, months?

boat is 2 weeks old. Sea trial was the 2 hours on engines. Hasnít been in the water since she trial.
Old 04-29-2021, 09:15 PM
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I donít see any way this can be ďrepaired.ď Creating enough room for 5 gallons of water is a huge area of delamination, and there is no way to know how much more delamination there is since this is only an area of the boat where the transducer was installed. In fact, thereís a bulge in another part of the boat if I remember the original post. It seems to me the only proper solution to this is a new hull, with the manufacturer moving everything over from the original hull to the new one or, given that it is essentially a brand new boat, just taking the old boat, perhaps switching out the motor but other than that giving the purchaser a brand new boat. As someone mentioned earlier, if this manufacture turned out a boat like this, I guess I would have to keep my fingers crossed and hope that this was the oddball boat or something went wrong in the mix or in the layup. I would be very concerned with my new hull suffered from some version of the same defect.
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Originally Posted by El Comandante View Post
Lemme guess, you bought a Bayliner.
I don't own one but I have to say, there are plenty of manufacturers out there with way worse reps than Bayliner has ever had. What do you currently float around in?
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Could we shift gears and speculate how in the world that much water entered a core in just 2 hours?? How in world would water get into the core so quickly?
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Originally Posted by Lucky Bum View Post
Could we shift gears and speculate how in the world that much water entered a core in just 2 hours?? How in world would water get into the core so quickly?
Gap around live well inlet thru hull, especially if it has a high speed pick up.
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You have much more patience than me. The company should take the boat back. I would not feel comfortable with any tipe of repare they would do.
get a lawyer if need be .
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Originally Posted by Lucky Bum View Post
Could we shift gears and speculate how in the world that much water entered a core in just 2 hours?? How in world would water get into the core so quickly?
There's a gap in the deck and it's rain water?

The half completed hull was left in the elements and was finished sealing in the collected rain?

Are you driving it in salt, and is the collected water fresh?
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Sorry to hear of your troubles. Some questions: self bailing hull or drain into bilge? How big is the boat? What is the manufacturer's new boat hull warranty? Was the water fresh or salt?

Depending on the dealer/manufacturer's response and actions, another vote for surveyor with ultrasound. Good luck, John
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Originally Posted by Dave51 View Post
There's a gap in the deck and it's rain water?

The half completed hull was left in the elements and was finished sealing in the collected rain?

Are you driving it in salt, and is the collected water fresh?
What is the best way to determine if itís salt or fresh water? Itís clearly yellowish in color, so not excited about the taste test. my kid suggested putting a wrench in it and see if it gets rusty fast...any better ideas?

I had hull checked with moisture meter, most of it is dry except about an 8í x 8í square near the area where the thru hull was cut. Water is still draining out.

I have had warranty claim in for a while, but crickets from the manufacturer. Iím hoping that means theyíre contemplating replacing the hull, but who knows.

As for the ďwhat part of the hull construction displaced by 5 gallons of waterĒ. This foam
core appears to be able to be saturated with water and then dry out. It also seems to allow water to pass through it. Itís a very dense foam. It canít be scraped out by hand. Whatís interesting is I remember the old Boston Whaler ads where they cut a boat in half and it still floated. How did that foam not saturate and the boat sink? This foam appears to allow water to flow through it?

The ideas and commentary are helpful, I appreciate the info. Iím not to stressed about this, I gotta trust this is a good manufacturer who will make things right...but we shall see.
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Originally Posted by Boatstuff27 View Post
What is the best way to determine if itís salt or fresh water? Itís clearly yellowish in color, so not excited about the taste test. my kid suggested putting a wrench in it and see if it gets rusty fast...any better ideas?
Have the kid taste it.
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Originally Posted by Boatstuff27 View Post
What is the best way to determine if itís salt or fresh water? Itís clearly yellowish in color, so not excited about the taste test. my kid suggested putting a wrench in it and see if it gets rusty fast...any better ideas?

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Hydrometer, easy check.
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Or go down the pet store and get an Instant Ocean Aquarium Water Test Hydrometer. Specific Gravity of fresh is 1.00, of salt 1.02.

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If you can catch some of the water coming out now or if you saved the bucket of water, dump it in a plate and and when the water evaporates if there is no salt residue it is fresh water.
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Originally Posted by Boatstuff27 View Post
What is the best way to determine if itís salt or fresh water? Itís clearly yellowish in color, so not excited about the taste test. my kid suggested putting a wrench in it and see if it gets rusty fast...any better ideas?

I had hull checked with moisture meter, most of it is dry except about an 8í x 8í square near the area where the thru hull was cut. Water is still draining out.

I have had warranty claim in for a while, but crickets from the manufacturer. Iím hoping that means theyíre contemplating replacing the hull, but who knows.

As for the ďwhat part of the hull construction displaced by 5 gallons of waterĒ. This foam
core appears to be able to be saturated with water and then dry out. It also seems to allow water to pass through it. Itís a very dense foam. It canít be scraped out by hand. Whatís interesting is I remember the old Boston Whaler ads where they cut a boat in half and it still floated. How did that foam not saturate and the boat sink? This foam appears to allow water to flow through it?

The ideas and commentary are helpful, I appreciate the info. Iím not to stressed about this, I gotta trust this is a good manufacturer who will make things right...but we shall see.
if you donít have a hydrometer, you can try weighing it. Saltwater should be about 2.5% heavier than freshwater. That is ocean saltwater. Brackish water will vary in density. Conversely, things should float better in the salt. Although it maybe hard to tell. A coke can is close to neutrally buoyant.
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One drop wonít hurt you. Just taste it
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Originally Posted by Boatstuff27 View Post
What is the best way to determine if itís salt or fresh water? Itís clearly yellowish in color, so not excited about the taste test. my kid suggested putting a wrench in it and see if it gets rusty fast...any better ideas?

I had hull checked with moisture meter, most of it is dry except about an 8í x 8í square near the area where the thru hull was cut. Water is still draining out.

I have had warranty claim in for a while, but crickets from the manufacturer. Iím hoping that means theyíre contemplating replacing the hull, but who knows.

As for the ďwhat part of the hull construction displaced by 5 gallons of waterĒ. This foam
core appears to be able to be saturated with water and then dry out. It also seems to allow water to pass through it. Itís a very dense foam. It canít be scraped out by hand. Whatís interesting is I remember the old Boston Whaler ads where they cut a boat in half and it still floated. How did that foam not saturate and the boat sink? This foam appears to allow water to flow through it?

The ideas and commentary are helpful, I appreciate the info. Iím not to stressed about this, I gotta trust this is a good manufacturer who will make things right...but we shall see.
Ok, I'd been suspecting it but this post confirms what I thought. Technically you have a hull that's not considered "cored", the foam's used in cored construction are almost always closed cell and will not allow water to flow through or soak into them. What it sound like you have is a much more common two or three piece hull with flotation foam injected or poured into the spaces between the hull and liner, there's a huge difference!

That two-part expanding foam is often not adhered to either skin very well and it shrinks during it's cure so it separates easily without help from poor surface prep or any kind of hull flexing. Any leak, be it from a deck fitting, cap/hull joint, through hull, poorly caulked screws, livewell overflow, really anything can and will migrate through that foam easily. There may be other problems but just the water in there is likely just a poor installation somewhere not the sign of a serious structural defect.

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Originally Posted by bills106 View Post
Ok, I'd been suspecting it but this post confirms what I thought. Technically you have a hull that's not considered "cored", the foam's used in cored construction are almost always closed cell and will not allow water to flow through or soak into them. What it sound like you have is a much more common two or three piece hull with flotation foam injected or poured into the spaces between the hull and liner, there's a huge difference!

That two-part expanding foam is often not adhered to either skin very well and it shrinks during it's cure so it separates easily without help from poor surface prep or any kind of hull flexing. Any leak, be it from a deck fitting, cap/hull joint, through hull, poorly caulked screws, livewell overflow, really anything can and will migrate through that foam easily. There may be other problems but just the water in there is likely just a poor installation somewhere not the sign of a serious structural defect.

this is not expanding, injected foam, at least itís not supposed to be. I donít want to get into detail at this point until manufacturer responds as the construction methods will identify the manufacturer. But this IS NOT an expanding foam that is injected.
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Originally Posted by Flatout71 View Post
A new cored hull and five gallons of water leaking out? You need a new hull. That boat is a mess.
Agreed. Who wouldn't be pissed to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a brand new boat and then to have 5 gallons of water come out after 2 hours on the water? To get that much water in the boat, you not only have a defect, there is an extreme safety issue!!!!

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