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Old 02-16-2021, 08:04 AM
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Default Invincible says "no thru hull transducers"

Working w/ invincible on a possible 33 build and was told they only do shoot-thru, as opposed to thru-hull, transducers. I'm guessing I'll want to got to >1 KW ducer to compensate somewhat for the loss of signal. And I'd guess my selection of ducerd will be reduces. Just looking for input from those that have dealt with this, specifically:
-is shoot-thru really the only option
-what specifically dis you use transducer/external amp wise and are you happy

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It may well be their lawyers are taking over and trying to reduce liability for another hole in their hulls that could result in a loss. It's not uncommon, in fact I used to do a lot of through hull installations for a very big name electronics company, they would sub out through hulls to reduce their liability.

It shouldn't be hard to find someone with a hole saw to add one after you take delivery. I'd suggest saving the whole electronics package for whoever that may be, someone who does nothing but electronics is usually going to do a lot better job than an assembly line worker and you'll end up with a better package with expert support after the fact.
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It may well be their lawyers are taking over and trying to reduce liability for another hole in their hulls that could result in a loss. It's not uncommon, in fact I used to do a lot of through hull installations for a very big name electronics company, they would sub out through hulls to reduce their liability.

It shouldn't be hard to find someone with a hole saw to add one after you take delivery. I'd suggest saving the whole electronics package for whoever that may be, someone who does nothing but electronics is usually going to do a lot better job than an assembly line worker and you'll end up with a better package with expert support after the fact.
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^^Sage advice.

OP, I have the Airmar M265LH in hull. Great transducer and holds bottom really well up to about 47ish mph. You don't get temperature on it though.
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possibly have something to do with the hull structure itself?

meaning cutting a hole in it can significantly effect durability of the hull?
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Have Parker Yacht do the installation of your electronics, they are Lauderdale near the Invincible factory.

https://www.parkeryacht.com/
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Question: Would having a 3rd party cut a hole in the hull void the hull warranty?
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Why not try the shoot thru transducer. You can always add the other one.
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Originally Posted by Rollo Tomassi View Post
Question: Would having a 3rd party cut a hole in the hull void the hull warranty?
That's what I was thinking, OP better read his warranty carefully.
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Very interesting position by the hull maker.
Seems a boat made for fishing would have some sort of design/build/tech to allow placing of thruhulls in ideal places.

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I don't think a manufacturer can blanket void a hull warranty simply because someone cut a hole in it to install a transducer, unless that hole was the direct cause of another failure for which the owner is seeking to file a claim under the warranty
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Thanks guys. I managed to speak to a local installer who said he's done thru-hull ducers on invincibles including pocket ducers. He said he'd want to call the factory to get the ok on him doing that before I ordered my boat.

So no laws of physics would be broken by doing a thru hull. Just need to get the manuf ok to avoid voiding the hull warranty.
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Originally Posted by NEBassMan View Post
Thanks guys. I managed to speak to a local installer who said he's done thru-hull ducers on invincibles including pocket ducers. He said he'd want to call the factory to get the ok on him doing that before I ordered my boat.

So no laws of physics would be broken by doing a thru hull. Just need to get the manuf ok to avoid voiding the hull warranty.
Read the warranty. Verify yourself. Get anything contrary in writing.
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May have to do with the cored hull. If done improperly and water gets into the coring material and between the coring material and the glass, the coring material will be pulverized and weaken the whole deal. Goes for any penetration through submerged cored material.
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I have an 1kw B175H-W in my 36 (which I believe is the same layout as the 33) and haven't had any issues.

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Doesn't make sense, if the bottom is cored you can't shoot through it. If sold glass mount a through hull or do a pocket mount.
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have an invincible -thru hull works great - no issues-trust the manufacturer-just make sure the install is done correctly and it is properly glassed in
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I would check with the builder why they won't do a thru-hull transducer before getting a third party to do it - and as suggested above, if there is no reason other than they don't like doing it, check the warranty won't be affected.
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May have to do with the cored hull. If done improperly and water gets into the coring material and between the coring material and the glass, the coring material will be pulverized and weaken the whole deal. Goes for any penetration through submerged cored material.
Builder can easily use solid glass in the area where the transducer will be installed. Sounds like they just don't want to do it.
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“Invincible has been really successful, but now it’s ready to shift to the next gear,” Dorton told Trade Only Today, adding that EagleTree is a “hands-off” private equity group.

Sounds like EagleTree Capital may not be so “hands off” after all.
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FWIW, Invincible does has a solid glass area in the bilge to mount shoot thru...as mentioned, they don’t work too well through coring.

double step hull with tunnel is going to limit where you can mount a transducer. Mid bilge mounting spot in console is forward of the steps.

I’d definitely go against what the manufacturer recommends over the last thousand builds on a 300k purchase. I guess I missed all of the ”my invincible shoot thru transducer doesn’t work for squat” threads.
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