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Old 11-25-2020, 09:07 PM
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Hey everyone! I posted this over on the CC Owners Forum, but figured I'd ask here as well to get some more eyes on it...

My buddy is looking to buy a boat and we've been looking at CC28's and Albemarle 27/28's. He is really leaning toward the Carolina Classic and we've found a few in his price range, but all 3 have different power options. I'm hoping that y'all might share your experiences with these boat/engine combos. From the research we've done, I know the ideal power for these boats is a 6 cylinder diesel, but that's not in the cards for his budget (under $60k). All three of these boats are tower boats.

The first boat is a 1999 28 located in Wanchese with 4bta250 Cummins diesels with 2300 hours on them. This is the nicest of the 3 but is really pushing his budget at $59k. From what I understand these engines had issues with the injectors and the water pumps tend to be fragile. The other complaint I've found is that they are very loud and vibrate at idle. I've seen mixed reviews on performance but looks like the general consensus is a 24kt cruise burning around 22 gallons per hour.

The second boat is a 2000 in Chincoteague VA with 7.4 Mercruiser straight inboards. This boat is a bit suspect as it has a re-build on one motor with zero hours and the other has 500. Makes me wonder my the other had to be rebuilt at 500is hours. Water ingestion maybe? Anyway, I can't find hardly any performance info on the 28 with mercruiser 7.4 inboards. Any info y'all could provide would be appreciated.

The third is a 1996 in Deltaville VA with 240HP Volvo diesels with jackshaft/duo-prop final drive. The engines were rebuilt in 2017/2018, so they are relatively fresh. I understand that the jackshaft drive is a bit more efficient and faster than the straight inboards, but the outdrives are a maintenance issue.

We will be doing our own maintenance and plan to fish the boat out of Oregon Inlet and keep the boat on the hard in Wanchese. We live in Raleigh and realistically only get to fish 2 or 3 days out of the month, witch concerns me with the diesels, and frankly is the only reason the gasser is on the list. We're coming from my 24' Sea Pro center console, so any of these boats are going to be a great improvement, but I'm interested in hearing about real world experience with these combos.

Thanks so much!!!

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Contact Miles Express on THT. He's very knowledgeable on them. He currently owns a 25 Carolina Classic.
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Avoid outdrives at all cost.

7.4 are gas hungry but I had one in my Albemarle and the motor was reliable, the outdrive was NOT

Doubtful that diesel one has 4bt's thats the 4 cylinder version, most likely are 6bt. Cummins 6bt has to be one of the most reliable marine diesel engines every produced. Yes they are loud and vibrate alot, but will be the most reliable out of the three and get the best fuel mileage
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Thanks. The Cummins are definitely 4bt's. The were apparently the budget diesel power option in the 28's for a while.

The 6bt's would be ideal, but those boats are well out if his price range.
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You have the information correct regarding the Cummins 4BT/250 engines. They are the reason Cummins exited the 4 cylinder marine diesel engine market. Outdrives are more efficient than straight shaft but if you spend a lot of time trolling you should avoid them. The duo-props create a lot more prop wash. You will have to put your lures way father from the transom when trolling. I will say that having stern drives on the hard instead of being in a wet slip will reduce the maintenance costs. Sterndrives usually have power steering pumps and other stuff straight shaft engines don't have. If that diesel boat doesn't measure up, it would be better to wait for the right boat to come up for sale.
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Honestly all 3 of those boats will leave you disappointed.... the 28 CC hull is awesome but it needs a minimum of 300 HP to show it. Forget gas and forget Jack-shafts. Save a little more money or borrow some and get one with D6 Volvos, 6LP Yanmars or the best option would be 6BTA Cummins. The bot will perform better and re sale will be much much better
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I'll counter the "avoid gas at all costs". I had a twin inboard express with gassers and while it was hard on fuel, it had the tankage to get to gulf stream from VB, troll all day, and come back. I also couldn't fish offshore with a lot of frequency, and the total cost of ownership of burning more fuel during my few times offshore per year was definitely offset by lower maintenance and acquisition costs with those motors vs diesels.

I wouldn't be afraid to at least ask some more questions about the 7.4L boat, depending on how is priced.


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Honestly all 3 of those boats will leave you disappointed.... the 28 CC hull is awesome but it needs a minimum of 300 HP to show it. Forget gas and forget Jack-shafts. Save a little more money or borrow some and get one with D6 Volvos, 6LP Yanmars or the best option would be 6BTA Cummins. The bot will perform better and re sale will be much much better
Agreed!!

We have a 28CC with the 330 Cummins straight inboards, really canít imagine that boat with anything less than that, heavy deep-v boat. With the three boats you mentioned, I would imagine you wind up dumping some money into them in regards to repairs, especially the outdrive/jackshaft boat. Maybe the one with gas engines would work for you guys, maintenance costs would be cheaper. Good luck.
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Track down Mouse4x4 on this page. Don has a 28 w/ Volvo diesel's and straight inboards. Not sure which model, but he knows those boats well. My personal opinion, I'd avoid anything with outdrives.
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If you havenít already - go to the Carolina Classic forum ......lots of experience there too
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As most have previously stated, the CC28 is a big, wide, heavy boat for its size. I had a 1997 with twin 454 gassers jack shafted to volvo out drives. No doubt the boat was fast but holy Christ was it thirsty, 290 gallon tank on a 28. Out drives of the past were always a head ache, there expensive and unreliable but the new DPI drive from Volvo is truly awesome but that is for another discussion. This boat really starts to perform well around 25 knots, and I wouldn't want anything less then the D6-260 volvos if i was looking used.

The boat really needs twin 300's, and to that I would say that twin D4-320's would be the absolute perfect engine package for this boat, there much smaller then the D6 and 6BT and weigh hundreds of pounds less as well.

I re-powered a 28 last year from D4-260's to D4-300's, and am currently re-powering a 28 from 4BT 250's to D4-320's. I'm expecting a top speed somewhere around 35 knots. I realize this doesn't help you much in your search for a used vessel, but these boats need the power. Best of luck in your search, the boat is a tank!
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Honestly none of them boats would be an option for me. Iíve only been on one 28cc for a test drive and here are my reasons, only opinions

first one with the small Cummins is the only one I rode in. It seamed like it struggle to get on plane a little not very fast but the biggest concern I had was if you slowed down too fast the water was very close to flooding the cockpit. The owner said you just have to watch how you pull back on the throttles is all. It also rode very bow high. I looked into it a little and from what I could tell you needed the heavier 6 cylinder Cummins up front to ride at a better attitude and not have the issue of water coming over the back when you backed off

the second one has gas engines and Iím not sure how the efficiency would be but Iím guessing you would eat a lot of gas and not have enough range but my biggest concern is I just donít like the idea of any gas inboard. People do it all the time so maybe itís an unjustified fear of mine but you never hear about a diesel boat exploding

the third boat has outdrives. Pushing a boat that heaving with outdrives is bad and just asking for trouble. I have seen nicer 28cc for sale for dirt cheap and you click on the add every one is outdrives. They are a huge paint in the butt
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As a former Carolina Classic owner i will say great choice of boat. As far as engines I would look for one with the 330s 6bta's. I would take those engines any day of the week and twice on sundays. They have a impressive track record in the marine industry. The 6bt is the reason Dodge Ram trucks were successful !
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The 28 albemarle is a smaller (narrower) boat than the CC, but pushes easier and can be found with 4cyl yanmar 4lh at 240 hp. Those are great engines.

i wanted a 28 cc as well but ended up going with a 28 henriques just because i could not find the 28cc with the power i wanted (6btaís) in my price range (same as yours, under 60k).
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Thanks everyone for your input. I appreciate the help!
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Originally Posted by joemariani View Post
ended up going with a 28 henriques just because i could not find the 28cc with the power i wanted
I did the same thing
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Originally Posted by GreatBigTuna View Post
Hey everyone! I posted this over on the CC Owners Forum, but figured I'd ask here as well to get some more eyes on it...

My buddy is looking to buy a boat and we've been looking at CC28's and Albemarle 27/28's. He is really leaning toward the Carolina Classic and we've found a few in his price range, but all 3 have different power options. I'm hoping that y'all might share your experiences with these boat/engine combos. From the research we've done, I know the ideal power for these boats is a 6 cylinder diesel, but that's not in the cards for his budget (under $60k). All three of these boats are tower boats.

The first boat is a 1999 28 located in Wanchese with 4bta250 Cummins diesels with 2300 hours on them. This is the nicest of the 3 but is really pushing his budget at $59k. From what I understand these engines had issues with the injectors and the water pumps tend to be fragile. The other complaint I've found is that they are very loud and vibrate at idle. I've seen mixed reviews on performance but looks like the general consensus is a 24kt cruise burning around 22 gallons per hour.

The second boat is a 2000 in Chincoteague VA with 7.4 Mercruiser straight inboards. This boat is a bit suspect as it has a re-build on one motor with zero hours and the other has 500. Makes me wonder my the other had to be rebuilt at 500is hours. Water ingestion maybe? Anyway, I can't find hardly any performance info on the 28 with mercruiser 7.4 inboards. Any info y'all could provide would be appreciated.

The third is a 1996 in Deltaville VA with 240HP Volvo diesels with jackshaft/duo-prop final drive. The engines were rebuilt in 2017/2018, so they are relatively fresh. I understand that the jackshaft drive is a bit more efficient and faster than the straight inboards, but the outdrives are a maintenance issue.

We will be doing our own maintenance and plan to fish the boat out of Oregon Inlet and keep the boat on the hard in Wanchese. We live in Raleigh and realistically only get to fish 2 or 3 days out of the month, witch concerns me with the diesels, and frankly is the only reason the gasser is on the list. We're coming from my 24' Sea Pro center console, so any of these boats are going to be a great improvement, but I'm interested in hearing about real world experience with these combos.

Thanks so much!!!
If you plan on keeping it on the hard, the 7.4 gassers would be my choice of the 3. Flush the motors religiously with fresh water. The EFI motors are the water ingestion problem motors. The carb'd ones are not. Valve overlapping in the EFI motor (re-burning exhaust gasses for emissions) is the problem. I have a '96 CC25 that was a victim of water ingestion in late '99. It was repowered in 2000 with a new 7.4 Gsi, and has had zero issues. But, I boat in freshwater. Last spring compression was ~120 in all cylinders. No salt deposits left behind in the combustion chamber to cause havoc..
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Classic25 - Thanks for the info. Are your 7.4's straight inboard or sterndrive? If straight inboard, would you mind sharing what kind of performance/fuel burn you are seeing with yours?

Edit - Nevermind, I just figured out by your name you are running a 25. sorry! lol
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A ways back I was looking for a boat and compared the Albemarle 28 to the CC 28. The CC is a wider boat and this shows itself in many ways on the boat, but nowhere more than in the space in the engine room. For that reason I decided to buy a CC. The boat itself is a great hull and can handle anything you would want to be out in and a few times handled things I didn't want to be out in but was. I looked at several boats and ruled out the i/o drives and found that the 4bt equipped boats seemed very sluggish. The hulls with 6bt engines are few and far between and finding one became impossible. I finally wound up buying a 28 CC with the 6 litre Crusader engines. These engines are not the gas hogs that the 7.4 Mercruisers were and they performed flawlessly for the 3 years that I owned the boat. I would not shy away from these as they may be a good choice for you with the budget you indicated.
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Originally Posted by offshorebri View Post
Honestly all 3 of those boats will leave you disappointed.... the 28 CC hull is awesome but it needs a minimum of 300 HP to show it. Forget gas and forget Jack-shafts. Save a little more money or borrow some and get one with D6 Volvos, 6LP Yanmars or the best option would be 6BTA Cummins. The bot will perform better and re sale will be much much better
This ^^^. Offshorebri I couldn't agree more.

I have fished on a 28 CC repowered with rebuilt twin Cummins 6BTAs and that is the ideal power choice IMO. I'm sure Yanmars will work well too.

The boat I fished on originally had Volvo Kamd 300s and they gave the owner fits...always something nit-picky breaking. He finally got sick of them and repowered with the reman'd Cummins engines.

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