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Old 11-21-2020, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LouC View Post
I tried one of these with the metal bowl; if it wasn’t such a pain to change the bowl I’d keep using them but they could make it easier to change. Most years I’ve used the easily available Sierra filters and only had a problem once (threads not cut right so it wouldn’t thread on). I’ve also used Evinrude filters for my OMC filter mount.
You are overnighting the bowl. Installed Racors on three different boats. Have never experienced a problem.
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Originally Posted by Sonic04GT View Post
My fuel separator is mounted in the bilge at the starboard stern. It's raised from the lower part of the bilge, well above the waterline, but there's only a couple inches of clearance below the bowl. Although it's possible to get under it to sump some fuel, it's a pain in the ass. I wish the previous owner, or Sea Fox, whoever did it, would've mounted it higher since there is room. I don't want to drill anymore holes in my boat than necessary.
Don't be so lazy, move it and repair the holes where it was!
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I was just winterizing the boat and went to change my fuel filter
(racor s3227 with clear bowl)
literally touched the filter and it started leaking, grabbed bowl and lightly tugged whole thing came off!!
glad it happened in my yard and not 40miles out!
thing was all warped and tapered.
I do like them though, on flip side has saved my butt offshore limping home draining off water every 5min when I got a bunch of water through tank vent.


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Old 11-21-2020, 04:29 PM
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I will try again with the “ethanol compatible” rk30475
which should have a “z” and something else
stamped on the bottom?
Old 11-21-2020, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 71Outrage View Post
I used the Racor with the clear bowl for several years. I use ethanol free marina gas and I never had water in the bowl. Then I had the plastic bowl fall off while underway and it would not reattach. It killed my motor in a crowd of other boats in windy conditions, almost had someone crash into me. Plastic bowl had warped and would not go back on. I had a spare filter but not a spare bowl. OP, if this had happened with a filter mounted in the bilge it would have been a fire hazard.

Racor fans will tell you this was only caused by ethanol but it’s a lie, my boat never had ethanol fuel in it. Racor was less than a year old. Since then I have gone back to Sierra metal bowl cheap filters. In 25 years of boating I have never had an issue with them. I change them annually and there is never enough water to worry about. They’re one piece so no place to leak, 10 micron filtration just like the Racor, and it’s cheap to carry spares.

Regardless of the filter you choose, pay up for a stainless mounting head. The standard ones corrode as the metal they use is crap.
I have been running Raycors with the clear bow for 30 years. First on Twin 225 Evinrude and now on twin 2001 Yamaha 250 ox66. Last year I also had
a bowl fall off. When I went to buy the new ones the guy told me Racor themselves said it was due to ethanol and they have changed the composition of the new clear bowls. I am still running them. I also like the fact that you can see if you have water or dirty gas in them. I'm currently running a 2001 Marlin 300. They are inside the bilge but I was told that they were legal when it comes to outboards. Good luck!


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Originally Posted by Sonic04GT View Post
My fuel separator is mounted in the bilge at the starboard stern. It's raised from the lower part of the bilge, well above the waterline, but there's only a couple inches of clearance below the bowl. Although it's possible to get under it to sump some fuel, it's a pain in the ass. I wish the previous owner, or Sea Fox, whoever did it, would've mounted it higher since there is room. I don't want to drill anymore holes in my boat than necessary.
Do what I did in the same situation. Get a piece of Marine Starboard and make a mount plate. Use the same hole pattern for your screws and raise your filter bracket to the desired height. Done. I used 3/4" because I had a scrap piece that was close to the right size. 1/2" would probably work equally well.
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Originally Posted by vandlor View Post
You are overnighting the bowl. Installed Racors on three different boats. Have never experienced a problem.
actually I bought already assembled and had a hard time getting it apart...
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Originally Posted by Milehog View Post
Yikes! FWIW I don't think the newer clear bowles have this problem anymore.
You are right Racor even issued a service bulletin on this. had to be at least 10 years ago.
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Originally Posted by Clamcove23 View Post
I was just winterizing the boat and went to change my fuel filter
(racor s3227 with clear bowl)
literally touched the filter and it started leaking, grabbed bowl and lightly tugged whole thing came off!!
glad it happened in my yard and not 40miles out!
thing was all warped and tapered.
I do like them though, on flip side has saved my butt offshore limping home draining off water every 5min when I got a bunch of water through tank vent.
There you go. That is exactly what happened to me.Yes this problem is rare but if it happens it can end your day or create a fire hazard. A hard plastic bowl has no place in your fuel system. If you must have a Racor drain, get the metal bowl.
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I was told during my survey last year that the filters with the drain on the bottom are not allowed in a bilge for a gasoline boat regardless of inboard or outboard. He told me I had two options. one was to replace the element with a completely enclosed style or buy the metal bowl which goes below it for fire regulation. He cited the Coast Guard regulation in my survey I can dig it out if anyone’s interested.
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For those of you that had the bowls warp or deform, how old was the bowl?
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Hard to say, it doesn’t have the “new”
ethanol safe markings on it though.
so before they switched over to those?
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Originally Posted by Clamcove23 View Post
I was just winterizing the boat and went to change my fuel filter
(racor s3227 with clear bowl)
literally touched the filter and it started leaking, grabbed bowl and lightly tugged whole thing came off!!
glad it happened in my yard and not 40miles out!
thing was all warped and tapered.
I do like them though, on flip side has saved my butt offshore limping home draining off water every 5min when I got a bunch of water through tank vent.

Racor Brochure on New Bowl Material
http://www.parker.com/Literature/Rac...on_Filters.pdf
New clear bowls will have yellow tint and PUR or Z marks.
They are compatible with fuel additives and E10 Gasoline

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My understanding is what Broom has said - NOT what AlloyBoy has said. Regulation references would help clarify things. With that said, the picture is interesting; sure appears to be a pipe thread - a complete surprise. If you're using one, gas or diesel, in or outside the hull (I think that is where AlloyBoy is going wrong, inboard and outboard are meant to mean location not engine type) - it should be installed with Teflon tape, with care to not over-tighten. I'd gently snug the fitting then pressurize the system and tighten more only if there is a leak.
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Why do you think alloyboy is wrong?
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Originally Posted by NLOL View Post
My understanding is what Broom has said - NOT what AlloyBoy has said. Regulation references would help clarify things. With that said, the picture is interesting; sure appears to be a pipe thread - a complete surprise. If you're using one, gas or diesel, in or outside the hull (I think that is where AlloyBoy is going wrong, inboard and outboard are meant to mean location not engine type) - it should be installed with Teflon tape, with care to not over-tighten. I'd gently snug the fitting then pressurize the system and tighten more only if there is a leak.
If you buy the Racor filter and bowl together from the factory, there is no teflon tape on the threads. Adding tape may be an improvement but it’s not a suggestion from Racor.

My bowl that warped was not old when it happened. This was a number of years ago so Racor may have improved the bowl (although mine was yellow like the one above). But even if they have improved it, my experience made me realize that a solid metal filter is a better, safer design. I have never had enough water in a filter to be an issue at all. Yamaha makes double length metal filters that will hold a couple pints of fuel (or water)...if it’s filling up you probably have bigger issues to deal with. A one piece metal filter, with no place to leak except the top, is completely foolproof and effective.
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This is copy/ pasted from my survey. The boat is a 2002 Intrepid 366 cuddy, 2012 trip merc verado 300's. The filters are located in the bilge compartment up close to the level of the deck.

I'm not saying who is correct, I'm just sharing feedback I got on this application from a well regarded and accredited surveyor. He did say that this is for gasoline only and does not apply to diesel. I was incorrect that regs were cited, they were not in the survey report.

FUEL FILTERS:
Parker/Racor primary water separators located in aft bilge with plastic sight bowls and engine mounted
filters, date of last change marked on filter housings was 4/2019. Note; this style of filter with clear
plastic sight bowls is not recommended for installation in enclosed spaces. *See findings.
*A.1
Racor plastic sight bowls (PN S3213 Element) is not recommend for enclosed spaces.


A. SAFETY FINDINGS (United States Coast Guard):
A.1 (PAGE 11) FUEL FILTERS:
Parker/Racor primary water separators located in aft bilge with plastic sight bowls and engine mounted
filters, date of last change marked on filter housings was 4/2019. Note; this style of filter with clear plastic
sight bowls is not recommended for installation in enclosed spaces. *See findings.

FINDINGS RECOMMENDATIONS
Racor plastic sight bowls (PN S3213 Element) is not
recommend for enclosed spaces.
Replace with metal type drain bowls prior to next
voyage.
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Just remembered I had a spare, and it has
the new markings on it!

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Subtle but you can see one on left is definitely distorted.



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