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Old 11-16-2020, 06:15 PM
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I've got one more CC left in me, so I get online and go virtual boat shopping everyday. I have done this pretty much since forever, regardless of which boat I am in. I grew up fishing with my dad in a 13' whaler, a 17' Mako and a FinestKind (that was before I bought a Lund, then a Parker, Seacraft, and finally a Competition). Some of my most favorite fishing is by canoe and paddleboard, but I digress. I enjoy looking at different hull designs, configurations, clean deck layout. I'm curious about hull construction. I like nice lines. I like my Armstrong bracket. I fish inshore, offshore, mid-shore, I fish sometimes where I probably should not take my boat. I also run it to the sandbar in the summer (Monomoy area, Cape Cod after fishing). Cold weather doesn't bother me on the boat as long as I am fishing and have Eisenglass or a windshield to keep off the spray. I launch early and pull at Thanksgiving most years. I think my longest ever single day trip in the Competition was 170NM. I went to FLA to buy my last boat, and I have a feeling I may end up there again for my next boat. I absolutely love my Competition. Just yesterday the wind kicked-up hard before a cold front came through last night, and my crew of 2 was amazed by the ride coming back in. The boat does everything I need it to do really well, BUT its starting to get a little tight with my boys on board, or with their friends, or when we run two families out the the sandbar and pack all the beach gear. Storage can be an issue. Now that my kids will go longer & farther and sometimes tuna fish, I also wouldn't mind some redundancy with twin F300's (I run a single 2017 F300 now). It wouldn't be bad to have a tuna door. It would be nice to continue running the sand bar and fish up in the shallows, but also have a bit more cushion offshore. It would be great to continue to enjoy amazing fuel efficiency and a 300+ mile range. A stand-through or simple crow's nest would not suck. A bit more beam would provide a better jigging platform. I do not troll, but do reluctantly drift/live bait for tuna in the spring and early summer when we don't have many smaller tuna around. I like to flyfish alot, and do a lot of jigNPop so having a key west-style top was an upgrade that I made when I did a re-fit (along with radar, which is mandatory up here). I like flat decks and 3Piece construction. I do not like ugly boats. My current boat is rack stored, which I really like, but may be outgrowing. Everything over 30' feet just feels way too unwieldy for the fishing I like to do, and most of these boats are far too inefficient for my liking (2.0MPG is niceeee). I already have my next boat in mind, but I'm curious to hear what others have moved up to (from a Competition25 or similar) that is no more than 30' and has a 22-24 degree deadrise? Only qualification is that you still have to love your boat and the builder, and you can eek-out 2.0MPG. I'm still not sure if I will sell my boat, so this is really just another form of internet shopping
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Build a 31 competition
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What he said ^
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Originally Posted by jfed1406 View Post
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What he said ^
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I thought you were the guy who bought the Comp 31 from the guy who wires for Manny?
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Without actually stepping foot on a Comp31, my impression is that it is an upsized 25 (which is great for offshore, but also not as great for the inshore stuff that I do). And it's over 30', only by a foot, but still trying to stay between 28-30 feet if I can. While I love the SV for offshore, I don't like the feeling of standing up to my belt while casting in the bow from a flat deck. For live baiting and kite fishing, that would be awesome, but a flat deck with slightly lower gunnels fishes better for me. The Comp31 and WW28 are def on my shortlist. The Orion29 looks nice popped out of that mold, but all I know about them is what I have heard 3rd hand, have not seen the new stringer grid if they have one, and have not seen much in the way of deck layouts or storage. Also not sure of the fit and finish. The Conch30 has my attention. I've kind of gotten over the euro transom thing, and can see how even just 7 more inches of running surface could make a difference. From what I have seen (without ever stepping foot on the new Conch30, there is a ton of storage). Potentially less draft and more stable, while still running through the slop and nasty stuff really well. There are a couple of Conch27's up here and I like the fact that they have some roots from the E&D days here in Mass. Someone might need to talk me out of the Conch30. Would love to hear a WW28 and Conch30 comparison - they are both awesome, but still feel like very different boats to me
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Before reading your last reply, my suggestion was going to be a Conch 27 or Conch 30. The low freeboard is really nice for the style of fishing you describe (pretty much exactly what I do as well). I'd just skip the T-top completely.
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I know you mentioned lower gunnels and the 27 Ocean Master came to mind. It might be a little too much no-frills? Never been on one and have no affiliation.
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"Before reading your last reply, my suggestion was going to be a Conch 27 or Conch 30. The low freeboard is really nice for the style of fishing you describe (pretty much exactly what I do as well). I'd just skip the T-top completely."
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Thanks, I like having the low profile / key west style top to get out of the weather, hold the radar, rod holders, antennae AND potentially have a crows nest. Front edge of my current top does not extend past the console seat and doesn't cause problems. Also hold the Eisenglass and small side curtains and could be a spot for some safety gear.
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I know you mentioned lower gunnels and the 27 Ocean Master came to mind. It might be a little too much no-frills? Never been on one and have no affiliation.
Thnx Ray, good suggestion, but not a huge fan, although very beamy... Probably a good jigging rig.
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The contender 27 open (not sure what it is currently called) could be an option at 30' long. The gunnels are lower in the bow from what I have seen and it has a flat deck. Has a claimed draft of 18" so would help inshore. From what I have read they get over 2 mpg at cruise.
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The contender 27 open (not sure what it is currently called) could be an option at 30' long. The gunnels are lower in the bow from what I have seen and it has a flat deck. Has a claimed draft of 18" so would help inshore. From what I have read they get over 2 mpg at cruise.
Thanks, good option, but also thinking something a bit more semi-custom / less production build, based on potentially better experiences with smaller builders. I didn't even buy my current Competition from Manny, but he has been awesome and helped me with projects on my refit and is always there to answer questions. He just wants his entire fleet reflecting the best of his work and his brand, which seems to also be the case with CV, WW, Conch, etc.
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I think you might have to be a little more realistic for a boat that’s more capable offshore but also going to work well inshore. I think the 25 is at the max capacity for inshore. Really any bigger and you’re probably getting into twins with a deeper draft. I think the 25 is about as rounded as it’s gonna get and from there there’s going to be more give and take.
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They seem to be scare in these parts but if you are looking at 22 to 24 degree deadrise then Bluewater 2850 should be on your list. I have no first hand experience but have been researching deep vee center consoles. The competition 25 is definitely on my list of boats to check out. I'm going the other way and looking for something that maxes out at 25' so I've been looking at Bluewater 2350/23t, CapeHorn 24, Competition 25...

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Originally Posted by kwipp View Post
I think you might have to be a little more realistic for a boat that’s more capable offshore but also going to work well inshore. I think the 25 is at the max capacity for inshore. Really any bigger and you’re probably getting into twins with a deeper draft. I think the 25 is about as rounded as it’s gonna get and from there there’s going to be more give and take.
Yes, totally get that, and have some bars and shallows to contend with here. Was thinking that spreading out that beam and going to 22.5 degrees might bet me there in the Conch30 with twin 300's. I founf a build thread on here for a Conch30 (designed for giants on Cape Cod) but it kind of dead-ended, and my build would only have one live-well, so the stringer set up may be different. That boat also had a gin pole set up instead of a tuna door. I'd rather have a tuna door or dive door, but haven't seen a Conch 30 with one.
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They seem to be scare in these parts but if you are looking at 22 to 24 degree deadrise then Bluewater 2850 should be on your list. I have no first hand experience but have been researching deep vee center consoles. The competition 25 is definitely on my list of boats to check out. I'm going the other way and looking for something that maxes out at 25' so I've been looking at Bluewater 2350/23t, CapeHorn 24, Competition 25...

Bluewater 2850 ? Bluewater Sportfishing Boats, Inc.
I'm not a big fan of the Bluewater, but does fit some of my criteria. Def check out the comp25. It has been and continues to be a beast of a 25 doing so much really well.
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Flattie caught my biggest blackfin on a 2850, great ride and quality built boat. Definitely a step up in ride comfort from the 25ft class.

ThehannahB, I like the conchs and am a fan of the low gunnels I like to tail grab a lot of fish instead of sticking a gaff in them. I dont know the price sheets these days but I imagine you get a lot more bang for your buck out of the competition.
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I have a 25 Comp and do the exact type of fishing and running around you do here in NJ. I love the Fishing platform. Without the coffin box I wouldn’t have much storage. Fuel economy is amazing. Always debate myself in single vs twins. I just put a Suzuki 350 on it. I have been chasing tuna more then anything else these days and have really been thinking about an Onslow 27. A lot more $$$ and I’m not sure the high and wide bow gunnel/cap is fly fishing friendly. I think the comp has more room in the bow
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I had my Comp 25 for 6 yrs and loved it. In my opinion the twin 2 stroke set up was the best for the boat.

I couldn't find one that fit our budget along with the needed creature comfort items.

Ended up with a 31 Jupiter

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