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Old 11-13-2020, 06:21 PM
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i was planning to buy today Sundancer 320 2004 but surveyor found a rotten soft spot in the deck where skylights are. apperently one of skylights seal was leaking and boat sat for fee years like that, now all the wood under headliner is rotten and the size of the spot is about 2 feet to 4 feet.
of course the agreed price is out of the door but the question i have: should i move on to different boat or lowball seller and if he agrees take the boat. what i am looking down the road with this spot? will it progress? what other potential problems with that? i will fix the seal of course
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There are a lot of 32' Sundancers out there, even in the current Covid landscape.
I think the rule that says it is in the buyers best interest to buy the very best example they can afford of the boat they want is the way to go. To me that means this boat is out (in spite of the money you wisely spent on the survey) because unless this example is priced in such a way (greatly reduced) that it is the only 32' Sundancer that is in you budget it is not the rught boat at almost any price. Boats all come with issues. I prefer to buy one that comes with as few as reasonably possible.

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Walk away. This is why you paid for a survey. It's not like this is a particularly hard to find model.
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Agreed and that is one nasty expensive job to do.
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Don’t walk away, run!
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Move on. Quickly
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"buy the very best example" You're getting good advice here.....

FWIW, how did you determine that the Sundancer was "the one" that meets your needs, based on your self evaluation of usage?
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Twin I/Os? The soft spot shouldn't just make you run, that engine room should.

It is super tight to do just about anything if I recall. No fun.

Good luck
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Unfortunately, Older SeaRays are know for leaks around windows and hatches, so be very careful.
If the outer "skin" is perfect, then the repair could probably be made from the inside but its a smelly, dirty job.
I would figure maybe 5k for a repair.
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I think the re[\pair is more like 15000
Old 11-14-2020, 07:25 AM
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when i bought my 87 carver 32 it had a soft spot around one of the top deck vents. I took all the vents out cleaned and re caulked them, the soft spot was probably 2'x2'. I left it alone, knowing it was sealed. had the boat for 4 years, never got bigger or softer. Sold the boat, soft spot was in my survey, and i pointed it out to the buyer, didnt seem to concern him either. Fixing it would have been about $10,000. not worth it. All depends on the price of the boat, as long as its not below the water line or part of structure.
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Originally Posted by aleksejus72 View Post
i was planning to buy today Sundancer 320 2004 but surveyor found a rotten soft spot in the deck where skylights are. apperently one of skylights seal was leaking and boat sat for fee years like that, now all the wood under headliner is rotten and the size of the spot is about 2 feet to 4 feet.
of course the agreed price is out of the door but the question i have: should i move on to different boat or lowball seller and if he agrees take the boat. what i am looking down the road with this spot? will it progress? what other potential problems with that? i will fix the seal of course
did you get any pros out to give you an estimate what it would cost to fix?

then either try to negotiate that out of the sale price or decide if you will pay it?

pretty simple... do a cost-benefits analysis and make your own decision!
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Buy it cheap and fix the leak and use Inject a deck. That repair will be inexpensive and last.

https://injectadeck.com/instructions/

Watch a few of the videos.
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when you say skylight im assuming you mean the rectangle portlights/hatches, not the fixed round ones?
the fixed round ones are totally separated from the rest of the deck even if they did happen to leak it would not go far at all

does the boat also have the 2 grab rails running down the center of the deck? those leak also and the nuts are not accessible without cutting holes in the headliner
its a fairly common issue with those boats, if you find one totally dry you should move on it quickly so long as everything else surveys ok

we fix 1-2 of those a year ( 29,30,32,34,36 etc )

repair itself is pretty straight forward but the complication here are a few issues- there is no inner support so its important you maintain the proper crown of the deck, the inner skin is very thin and anywhere there are holes such as curtain tracks, etc any liquid you try to inject will leak onto the headliner which in some areas is glued right to the underside of the deck, and most importantly when recore job is done is to maintain the integrity of the non-skid

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If it's rotten someone could accidently step on it and fall thru injuring themselves and than they will hire MORGAN & MORGAN and sue you for everything you own.
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I would get an estimate to fix it from someone of Raybo’s caliber and then decide how to proceed. Of course, new price would need to reflect the repair, contingency and hassles of having it fixed.
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Originally Posted by Raybo Marine NY View Post
when you say skylight im assuming you mean the rectangle portlights/hatches, not the fixed round ones?
the fixed round ones are totally separated from the rest of the deck even if they did happen to leak it would not go far at all

does the boat also have the 2 grab rails running down the center of the deck? those leak also and the nuts are not accessible without cutting holes in the headliner
its a fairly common issue with those boats, if you find one totally dry you should move on it quickly so long as everything else surveys ok

we fix 1-2 of those a year ( 29,30,32,34,36 etc )

repair itself is pretty straight forward but the complication here are a few issues- there is no inner support so its important you maintain the proper crown of the deck, the inner skin is very thin and anywhere there are holes such as curtain tracks, etc any liquid you try to inject will leak onto the headliner which in some areas is glued right to the underside of the deck, and most importantly when recore job is done is to maintain the integrity of the non-skid

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I would get an estimate to fix it from someone of Raybo’s caliber and then decide how to proceed. Of course, new price would need to reflect the repair, contingency and hassles of having it fixed.
Yup, I'd reduce the purchase price down by what the repair cost would be as shown above. Actually when I was talking with the owner I'd be showing him these pictures and saying chances are this is what is needed to fix the issue. You are basically buying a salvage boat.
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If he found one, there is a good possibility there are several undiscovered problems where you can't see and are harder to fix now that water is in harder to see and reach areas.
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There was a guy on the Four Winns board out in Michigan who had a similar repair on a 268 Vista. I think it cost close to 8 grand! The sad thing is that a little extra attention to detail would prevent that from happening.
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Did you purchase another one of these?

Sundancer 320 2004 cushion / upholstery replacement

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