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Old 10-29-2020, 09:24 PM
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Default Viking 47 Owners - Anyone?

I'm in the market for a convertible and really like this model. Any current owners with the MAN 800hp engines, model year ~2000 care to weigh in on the good/bad about the boat? Hoping to get some real performance numbers for cruise and GPH.

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That's quite the upgrade...
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Great running boat, look at the gel coat closely if it hasn't been repainted.

these are on my list for potential upgrade as it's a great owner operator boat but I keep shying away with the mans.

Should be 820s correct? Fuel burn won't be horrible as that boat cruises pretty well, but the service intervals are heavy. Your 1000 hour or every two years will run you about 10-15k and your 2000 or every 3-4 year is 20-30.

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The one thing to add to this would be look into maint costs, talk to local shop to get an idea of service on the horizon, this can be a pretty big nut for some, for others its nothing, it's all relative!
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I looked at a couple, great boats but most if not all up to about 2005, I think, are likely to have gel coat issues, and that is pretty much all the manufacturers not just Viking so look for one already painted or plan 50K minimum for a prep and paint. My larger issue is the Mann motors, they are great until something breaks but aren't they all, just read and talk to those who own or have owned to form you own informed opinion. I had a contract on one boat with big Volvo motors that purred like an old farm tractor but maintenance in the northern gulf on this particular motor as well as parts was challenging to say the least so I cancelled just prior to survey. Finally decided to shop for the motors I wanted and then look at the boat around them, worked out great and I could not be happier.
Have fun shopping, I miss that part of the process but then again I don't miss it as well.
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My larger issue is the Mann motors, they are great until something breaks but aren't they all, just read and talk to those who own or have owned to form you own informed opinion.
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[QUOTE Finally decided to shop for the motors I wanted and then look at the boat around them, worked out great and I could not be happier.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by marlinmike View Post
The one thing to add to this would be look into maint costs, talk to local shop to get an idea of service on the horizon, this can be a pretty big nut for some, for others its nothing, it's all relative!
Yes, I've been back and forth on the Man engines and at one point was thinking of getting something to repower - THAT'll make you think twice about how expensive maintenance can be. I also live near New Gretna and Viking's Man service center so I have great access to service.


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Great running boat, look at the gel coat closely if it hasn't been repainted.

these are on my list for potential upgrade as it's a great owner operator boat but I keep shying away with the mans.

Should be 820s correct? Fuel burn won't be horrible as that boat cruises pretty well, but the service intervals are heavy. Your 1000 hour or every two years will run you about 10-15k and your 2000 or every 3-4 year is 20-30.
I'm aware of the gel coat issue, many on the market have been pained and I'm shying away from those that aren't. Research suggestions ~$1K / foot for the paint job. NO thank you.

Most, if not all, of the ones i've seen have the D2848LE403 800hp engines. Doing research on Boat Diesel dot com, I find that these engines are 892 CID giving a .9 HP/CID ratio which looks to be "ok". I'd LOVE to find one with big Cats, but that's a unicorn (thus far).

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I looked at a couple, great boats but most if not all up to about 2005, I think, are likely to have gel coat issues, and that is pretty much all the manufacturers not just Viking so look for one already painted or plan 50K minimum for a prep and paint. My larger issue is the Mann motors, they are great until something breaks but aren't they all, just read and talk to those who own or have owned to form you own informed opinion. I had a contract on one boat with big Volvo motors that purred like an old farm tractor but maintenance in the northern gulf on this particular motor as well as parts was challenging to say the least so I cancelled just prior to survey. Finally decided to shop for the motors I wanted and then look at the boat around them, worked out great and I could not be happier.
Have fun shopping, I miss that part of the process but then again I don't miss it as well.
I hear you about the Mans, but in classic THT fashion (and across the interweb) there are lovers and haters. A common thread is access to local service, and where I'm based, that is not an issue.
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[QUOTE Finally decided to shop for the motors I wanted and then look at the boat around them, worked out great and I could not be happier.
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What motors - Cats? I've been back and forth on that kick. Really like the Viking layout and have seen some 47 Cabo's that are a close second...but they all seem to have the same Man engines (at least thus far). However, the 47 Cabo doesn't seem to have great feedback (according to THT anyway).
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I have a 2005 Cabo 43 with CR900 Mans. Owned the boat for 13 yrs. Mans are great engines but they aren't cheap to maintain although not much different than Cats. If it was me and you live that close to a Man dealer go visit them and ask them their recommendation on those motors. I have 1500 hrs on my motors and the 1000 hr service was 12k for both engines. That was back in 2012 or 13. Not exactly sure the correct years for the gelcoat issues but I think it was 2001-2007.
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Been researching this a lot as mentioned as I'm making the short list for the next boat. Nervous for the man service but have crossed anything pre common rail engine off the list. Before that were the true "man grenades". The 900 crm in the 05-08 Viking 45 is the front runner for me, but still hesitant
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I owned a 2002 47 Viking with the 800 mans. I loved the boat my biggest issue besides the service issue was the salon door always accumulated water and rotted out the deck. And the mans always had a haze blowing from them. But as I am sure you know the 47 is a hard one to find they didn’t make many of them. But the ride and fit and finish I enjoyed and so did my family.
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The vast majority of THTers are Outboard/CC people...…. and thus diesel "maintenance is big $$" and MAN grenades" and Oceans = Flexible flyers" …… all stories, repeated enough to become seemingly "truths".

Yes, MANs are expensive to maintain, as they tend to be "larger diesels" ( than 200 outboards) ….. but then again, CAT's of the same size/age are also expensive … it is all relative

Sporties…. are expensive to maintain. New/used MANN/MTU/CAT. Nature of big diesels pushing heavy boats fast.

You don't buy a 20 year old 47 Viking without expecting 20k in engine room maintenance a year. You can spend "zero" for a while, but it will catch up to you. Preventative maintenance IS part of owning a Sportie.



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I am always amazed at buyers first concern is cost of maintenance. You are buying a very complex machine that approaches 2 million to build. What do you think is going to happen? I would never ever own a boat if I didn’t have the budget to maintain it or even replace an engine. My feeling is buyers with this approach are putting undue stress on their lives. It’s very easy to drop 300k on a boat. That’s a 1 time financial event and can easily be calculated. Maintenance is the variable.
I have a friend the bought a 2 year old Cabo. He is not poor but definitely works for his money. He loved the boat but hated the day he bought it. He paid $700k, dropped over $200 in maintenance over his 4 years of ownership. Finally sold for $450k. That takes the pleasure out of pleasure boating.
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Exactly the point above. The mans are high performance v8 v10 and v12s. They just require the maintenance. There is no 0 for a while. When they run they are hard to beat. When the owner before you didn't do the maintenance you're so far up a creek it's trouble. I know there is maintenance on all big engines but I'm still leaning towards c12/18 and qsm11 boats just to reduce complexity but unfortunately the majority of the mid 40s size range from 02-09 has Mann's. It's a ferrari vs a gmc in my opinion. 20k a year in maintenance and repairs to me is normal. It's when your service intervals cal for another 20k every year or 2 on top of that.
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I ran an older 48f Hat with Manns and if I remember....I would burn around 40-45 gph cruising at 18knts. I working from over 10 year memory here but I believe I would run about 2 hours and troll another 6 fishing for a day. Seems like I would burn around 150 gal.
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As fire island alludes to the purchase of a big boat is just the beginning. That is all big boats regardless of the motors in it. Man did make an 800 and a 820. Two different blocks. My 820s have been very reliable but I do the 1000 hour service every 3 years about 18K for both. But I usually update some of the major components every 3 years. I don’t care what brand of diesel as they get older you need to proactive. I had my turbos blueprinted. I just did it because it was time. I did not wait to failure to replace saving the engines from ingesting metal. Same with injector lines and other parts. Our boat travels a fair amount (go to the Bahamas every year) and I want to lower my odds of having issues. If you don’t travel much and stay at the same slip then take your chances if you want. I was scared to death of the mans before I bought them because of the dock talk. I would rather have CATs but wouldn’t hesitate to buy a MAN boat again. Just do your research on the particular engine regardless of the brand. Everyone has had some stinkers
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What motors - Cats? I've been back and forth on that kick. Really like the Viking layout and have seen some 47 Cabo's that are a close second...but they all seem to have the same Man engines (at least thus far). However, the 47 Cabo doesn't seem to have great feedback (according to THT anyway).[/QUOTE]

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You guys are talking serious coin for 1k hour service. What do you get for that???
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I have a 2005 Cabo 43 with CR900 Mans. Owned the boat for 13 yrs. Mans are great engines but they aren't cheap to maintain although not much different than Cats. If it was me and you live that close to a Man dealer go visit them and ask them their recommendation on those motors. I have 1500 hrs on my motors and the 1000 hr service was 12k for both engines. That was back in 2012 or 13. Not exactly sure the correct years for the gelcoat issues but I think it was 2001-2007.
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As fire island alludes to the purchase of a big boat is just the beginning. That is all big boats regardless of the motors in it. Man did make an 800 and a 820. Two different blocks. My 820s have been very reliable but I do the 1000 hour service every 3 years about 18K for both. But I usually update some of the major components every 3 years. I don’t care what brand of diesel as they get older you need to proactive. I had my turbos blueprinted. I just did it because it was time. I did not wait to failure to replace saving the engines from ingesting metal. Same with injector lines and other parts. Our boat travels a fair amount (go to the Bahamas every year) and I want to lower my odds of having issues. If you don’t travel much and stay at the same slip then take your chances if you want. I was scared to death of the mans before I bought them because of the dock talk. I would rather have CATs but wouldn’t hesitate to buy a MAN boat again. Just do your research on the particular engine regardless of the brand. Everyone has had some stinkers
That's a lot of coin for engine service. Which, having no knowledge of how that works, what the heck does this service entail? Curious minds want to know.

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