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Old 10-17-2020, 09:08 PM
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Default Rack storage seems pretty cool, but I知 a newbie so help me out

Guys, planning on buying a boat (24-28 foot Cuddy, I think) sometime in 21, but before that I need to figure out where I知 gonna put it.

Trailering is a no-go for me because I don稚 have a vehicle to haul it (and it seems like an extra hassle anyway).

There is one rack storage place by the water here, and it痴 about $650 a month for a boat of the size I知 planning.

There are a few marinas and the cheapest is about $400 a month.

Is it worth it to pay the extra to keep your boat dry when not in use? Is there some maintenance you don稚 need to do when not keeping your boat in the water? (Also, I知 in LA so it would be 365 days a year wherever I keep it.)

In my newbie mind there is no downside to the rack storage. I think this place will also gas it up before you arrive and hose it down after you leave.

What do you think?
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Bottom paint.
Old 10-17-2020, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jheiii View Post
Bottom paint.
Could you elaborate?

You don稚 need to do it at all? Just less often? A different kind of paint?
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Racks are generally less expensive where I live than a slip. You need to call ahead, many times wait in spite of calling before hand and if you use you boat often it is not the same as just stepping on your boat and taking off from your slip. If you have excellent customer service there and do not use the boat often I guess you would consider, however I would not pay extra.
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Is it straight shaft inboard? If so, I would not do it. They use forklifts with long fingers to move the boats. water in the mufflers sloshes back and forth in inboard exhaust pipes. Ends up in the turbos.
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I would pay extra to keep my boat in a slip over rack storage. I have a boat to use it, and the easier it is to hop in and go the more it get's used. Rack storage would be easier than trailering but much more of a pain than a slip IMO. I don't want to rely on anyone else to be able to go for a ride.
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Is it straight shaft inboard? If so, I would not do it. They use forklifts with long fingers to move the boats. water in the mufflers sloshes back and forth in inboard exhaust pipes. Ends up in the turbos.
I don稚 have the boat yet, so I don稚 know.

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I would pay extra to keep my boat in a slip over rack storage. I have a boat to use it, and the easier it is to hop in and go the more it get's used. Rack storage would be easier than trailering but much more of a pain than a slip IMO. I don't want to rely on anyone else to be able to go for a ride.
This place looks like they have an app and you just make a reservation on the app and your boat is supposed to be ready. I guess I don稚 know how that works in practice (how crowded it gets and how likely you are to get the time you want).

I do like the idea of the boat just being in the water and ready to go, but it seems like having the boat in the water 365 days a year would add a lot of maintenance and stuff would rust more. But I obviously don稚 know. That痴 why I知 asking.
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I have a 24 boat and decided to try out dry storage. It痴 about $500/month, has an app to launch, and is fairly convenient. On busy summer weekends I have to make sure I schedule the launch by Tuesday or Wednesday or risk getting a launch time way outside of my desired time.
You really can稚 beat the convenience of dry storage. They launch, recover, flush engines, clean the boat, and put it away in a covered warehouse.

All that said, I will be discontinuing this service once my 1 year commitment runs out. It mostly comes down to the marina does not care for the boat the way I do. I take extreme pride in ownership, and they rush flushing the engine and do a so-so job cleaning, neither of which are ever consistent. Charging the batteries is also an issue. I have a trolling motor and have to schedule a specific launch just to charge the batteries and that痴 a big pain. 3 times I came to my boat after scheduling a charging launch just to find out it wasn稚 charging and couldn稚 use the trolling motor for that day of fishing.

Additionally, early morning fishing is a hassle and always a dilemma. I have to launch the night before because the marina isn稚 open when I head out. Then I either truck 100lbs+ of ice or have them fill up the boat the night prior, which is slushy in the morning.

Lastly, I am forced to pay the marina fuel prices, which are almost always $1 more a gallon than my local non-ethanol gas station.

You said trailering isn稚 an option, so I don稚 have any insight on a wet-slip for a boat, but for my situation trailering and storing at the side of my house is better.

Hope that provides some insight for you.
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I prefer a stack for a number or reasons-mostly my boat continues to look brand new. check out the different stack options and talk to boat owners there to get a good understanding of how management/staff operate the facility and how convenient/pleasant they make your experience. also, at my stack/marina they allow me to flush/clean/work on my boat if I am not completely satisfied with the service they provide-we try to keep our boat immaculate and I prefer to flush my engine for a longer time than the staff does. good luck and safe boating.
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If you池e going to keep the boat near the house and you hop on it a few times a week then wet slip makes sense. If you池e a weekend warrior I can稚 think of a reason not to go dry stack. Your boat won稚 sink at the dock, you don稚 have to bottom paint, you値l be out of the elements, and you may get some services (gassing, icing, etc). Especially if you are a newbie, dry stack is the easiest way to use a boat.
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I keep mine in a slip and my buddy keep his in a rack. I wouldn't consider a rack as I don't want a forklift pulling my boat in and out. I also like to get on my boat whenever I want to, even if it's just to clean it up or add accessories. Also, my buddy has 2 rows above him so the boats above drip filth on his boat.

No, you don't get any extra "rust" if you keep you boat in a slip. Obviously you're in the elements without cover so there's that. To keep it in a slip, you need bottom paint. You'll likely want a diver to come and clean your bottom regularly. In Florida that can be monthly in the summary and every 6 weeks when the water is cooler .Not sure how that is in California with cooler water. For me, you can't put a price on the convenience of the slip and just being able to go in and out whenever you please. Many times, it's last minute. I can't imagine wanting to take my boat out on a Saturday at a moments notice and having to wait to schedule a time for it to be pulled down.
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How do you plan on using the boat? You mention cuddy cabin so wonder if you are thinking of spending nights on it?

Rack definitely gives you peace of mind knowing safe in a storm, stays cleaner, out of the sun, probably even better resale. Only downside is if you see yourself hanging out on the boat/marina or want to always tinker with it.

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Besides bottom paint, you're going to do the same maintenances on all systems. Difference is, you're paying more money, to have limited access to your boat. You will likely need to call at least 24 hours in advance in order to be able to use or even access your own boat, and since you have limited access, any little thing you'll probably be paying the marina to do since you cant just hang out in your slip and do it yourself. You're also going to be tipping these guys every time they put it in and out. I don't see how anyone can see any benefit in paying more to have a forklift move your boat around day to day. Someone claims that "your boat wont sink in the slip". How often does that even happen? You're talking about a major systems failure for that to happen, which could happen on the water too. I'm sure there are more instances of damage forklifting the boats around nonstop than boats sinking while plugged in at a slip.

The way I see it, its my boat, but if I want to go on it today, I can't. I needed to know yesterday that I am going on it today. I also needed to know at what exact time, and I have to have the boat back by a certain time as well, because its my boat, but not really. In my opinion if you're going to go that route, join a boat club that way you don't own the maintenance costs.
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Boat in my signature was purchased new and kept in dry storage for first six months. Good marina, work racks to do your own cleaning and flushing after use, but we just wanted a bit more.

Shifted to a wet slip at the same marina. Cost a bit less, but completely different environment.
1. Got to know and learn from other fishermen on the dock.
2. Could get underway or return whenever we wanted, without having to launch the evening before, or tie up outboard of other boats so they could haul in the morning.
3. Boat on shore power so batteries always charged.
4. Could run the air conditioning and stay onboard if the dock party was too awesome.
5. Could leave the refrigerator on 24/7 with cold beer and soda always available.

We bought a condo and slip in 2004 and the boat stayed in our condo slip year ‘round until 2016.

Downside is having to haul to do lower unit fluid, or water pumps. Initial barrier and painting was costly, with repaint every two-three years.
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Originally Posted by Umlify View Post
I have a 24 boat and decided to try out dry storage. It痴 about $500/month, has an app to launch, and is fairly convenient. On busy summer weekends I have to make sure I schedule the launch by Tuesday or Wednesday or risk getting a launch time way outside of my desired time.
You really can稚 beat the convenience of dry storage. They launch, recover, flush engines, clean the boat, and put it away in a covered warehouse.

All that said, I will be discontinuing this service once my 1 year commitment runs out. It mostly comes down to the marina does not care for the boat the way I do. I take extreme pride in ownership, and they rush flushing the engine and do a so-so job cleaning, neither of which are ever consistent. Charging the batteries is also an issue. I have a trolling motor and have to schedule a specific launch just to charge the batteries and that痴 a big pain. 3 times I came to my boat after scheduling a charging launch just to find out it wasn稚 charging and couldn稚 use the trolling motor for that day of fishing.

Additionally, early morning fishing is a hassle and always a dilemma. I have to launch the night before because the marina isn稚 open when I head out. Then I either truck 100lbs+ of ice or have them fill up the boat the night prior, which is slushy in the morning.

Lastly, I am forced to pay the marina fuel prices, which are almost always $1 more a gallon than my local non-ethanol gas station.

You said trailering isn稚 an option, so I don稚 have any insight on a wet-slip for a boat, but for my situation trailering and storing at the side of my house is better.

Hope that provides some insight for you.
Our marina's gone to an app as well and we've had the same problem with not being able to get the boat put in when we want it splashed. A lot of our boating is "hey, let's take the boat out this morning instead of doing chores around the house" and it doesn't work well for that kind of spur of the moment boating. You really need to plan well in advance for the weekends so you can make sure to get a launch slot. It was much better when they didn't have designated times slots and you just called an hour before you wanted the boat launched. The forklift drivers love it because it limits the number of boats they have to launch and retrieve each day.
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I boated out of the Los Angeles for about 50 years. My larger boats, and a few of the smaller (less than 30 feet) were kept in slips. I always lived near the boat (or in some times lived aboard the boat). Trailering is a real pain in the LA area. When I go out there now, I launch at Sunset Aquatic in Huntington Harbor. My son keeps his 25' pilot house boat in the water at Dana Point. The advantage of boat in the water, is you can drop down at lunch, after work etc--go for a run, work on it, just sit and have a drink, visit with your neighbors--generally there is a social element.

Where is the boat rack storage? I know Carbillo Beach has dry storage, but I believe it is open. Several places have plans for rack storage at some point in doors.

Disadvantages: Boat may not be ready. Boat may not be well washed or cleaned, Engine may not be flushed. Oil and debris from boats above may land on your boat, Although unlikely in Los Angeles, heavy winds have knocked down storage facilities. (Think a very strong Santa Ana wind.). There are multiple cases of boat damage by the fork lift if that is what is being used.

I would not get an inboard if desiring rack storage. Too much chance of running gear damage.

Desirable slips often have a waiting list. Some marinas do not allow boats longer than the slip. the cheapest are usually in Wilmington/ Los Angeles harbor. Not sure about the condition of these marinas currently, but there is a reason they are cheap. (and often don't have a waiting list)...

Don't forget about each county in CA. taxing your boat yearly as "personal property". The last boat I had stored there, Orange County would not accept what I had paid for the boat. They valued it at twice what I had paid--even though I had bill of sale, and the state sales tax agreed that my buying price was the price the state tax was paid on.

So. California is a great boating venue.
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Thanks guys.

Obviously the slip is better for using the boat. I was wondering more about what's best for the boat when I'm NOT using it, which is obviously going to be many more days. (I am thinking of maintenance cost and also resale value.)

I vaguely understand the whole bottom paint and antifouling process, but can someone spell out exactly how often I need to do something for that, what I need to do, and how much it costs?

Also, I'm talking about a coastal marina, so I don't know if salt water makes a difference.
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Easy. If you keep a boat in salt water it needs bottom paint. This is what helps reduce the amount of and speed growth on it's bottom. This stuff cost $100 a gallon 20 years ago. You get the idea. You can take protective measures and paint it yourself (depending on the marina's rules) or hire someone and pay by the foot. Either way it needs no less than two coats the first year. If you keep the boat in fresh water, on a lift, rack or trailer it and it is never in the water for a prolonged period of time than you can run it it without anti fouling paint.
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I boated out of the Los Angeles for about 50 years. My larger boats, and a few of the smaller (less than 30 feet) were kept in slips. I always lived near the boat (or in some times lived aboard the boat). Trailering is a real pain in the LA area. When I go out there now, I launch at Sunset Aquatic in Huntington Harbor. My son keeps his 25' pilot house boat in the water at Dana Point. The advantage of boat in the water, is you can drop down at lunch, after work etc--go for a run, work on it, just sit and have a drink, visit with your neighbors--generally there is a social element.

Where is the boat rack storage? I know Carbillo Beach has dry storage, but I believe it is open. Several places have plans for rack storage at some point in doors.

Disadvantages: Boat may not be ready. Boat may not be well washed or cleaned, Engine may not be flushed. Oil and debris from boats above may land on your boat, Although unlikely in Los Angeles, heavy winds have knocked down storage facilities. (Think a very strong Santa Ana wind.). There are multiple cases of boat damage by the fork lift if that is what is being used.

I would not get an inboard if desiring rack storage. Too much chance of running gear damage.

Desirable slips often have a waiting list. Some marinas do not allow boats longer than the slip. the cheapest are usually in Wilmington/ Los Angeles harbor. Not sure about the condition of these marinas currently, but there is a reason they are cheap. (and often don't have a waiting list)...

Don't forget about each county in CA. taxing your boat yearly as "personal property". The last boat I had stored there, Orange County would not accept what I had paid for the boat. They valued it at twice what I had paid--even though I had bill of sale, and the state sales tax agreed that my buying price was the price the state tax was paid on.

So. California is a great boating venue.
i used to be at Cabrillo dry storage. Hated it. They dinged and scratched my boat really bad over and over. Leaving the boat on the dock that痴 open to the public overnight doesn稚 give me peace of mind. When you come back in afternoon, long line to get pulled so I can稚 flush my motor same day.

im at sunset now and like it. 24 hour access, further south. Only negative is slightly longer to get to open water.
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Find a marina that has lifts installed in some slips. Rack storage generally turns out to be a pia as you frequently have to wait, tip the guy running the forklift, and in Florida you may get a lot of termite dust (crap) in your boat, but that probably isn't a problem is SoCal. If you find a marina with a lift, you can come and go as you want and are not forced to go on their schedule.
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