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Old 09-30-2020, 02:09 PM
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Good afternoon everyone,
I am not only new to writing on a Forum style post, but I am in the final decision stages on making a choice for a boat purchase. I have had multiple styles of used boats in the past, and we have reached a point in our life where we are ready for a new boat. We have done tons and tons of research and are looking at either the Bayliner Element F18 or the F21 for a boat. I have read a lot of NEGATIVE reviews, but they all seem like they are from people who, 1. never owned a Bayliner, or 2. early 90's boat owners when Bayliner tried to make a cost efficient boat for under 10K. I have a 10 year old boy who loves to lake fish (where down in South Carolina) we won't use it in the ocean ever, and would pull a tube or two every now and then. Wife only will go on the boat when the water is in the 80's, and that limits her use of the boat to 3 months out of the year.
With out ever being on the Bayliner, what do you compare the boat to? I tried to rent one in Tennessee, and now they tell me there closed till January 2021, so either I buy a boat blindly or I go all the way to Sarasota, FL to test one out...Thoughts?
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If your first priority is saving money, the Bayliner is fine.

If you want quality and more upscale features, find a different boat.

Bayliner is a starter, entry level brand.
Old 09-30-2020, 02:26 PM
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You will look back so very fondly of the memories with your little boy. The boat will last decades, your chance to get them out young vanishes quickly. Ask those of us with children a bit older.

You could/should also consider the little Sea Hunt. There is also a great opportunity to run down to Mia or even Fll to the boat show in a few months and get a chance to compare side by side. Since fall is here, your season is wrapping up anyway. You could plan a fun family holiday in February

Go have fun, they are nice boats for your intended use. Just don’t buy the I/O, get an outboard and have fun. Almost all the present outboards are very dependable and since Force is out of business, you won’t get stuck with one of those as a value outboard.

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It's a basic boat and should meet your needs well, Mercury 4 strokes are bullet proof motors as well.
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My first boat was a 2005 Bayliner 2152, I/o 5.0 carb mercruiser, we wakeboarded, overnighted and enjoyed thoroughly. With time you will realize the defects in it but for your intended use and in freshwater it’s fine. I would strongly recommend buying a cover to protected from the rain when not in use, the deck on mine started to rot and was the extra push to sell it and go bigger.
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Look at Pioneer or Bulls Bay, better quality and cost effective, made in Walerboro.
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About a year ago, the freedom boat club was purchased by bruinswick.

Since their boats are replaced after three years, I am starting to see them bring in some new bayliners with mercs.

The fit and finish of these are pretty good. Nice layouts with very comfortable seating and good hull design.

I wouldn't consider a bayliner 30 years ago but would today.



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The problem is the brand name being tarnished by early year boats. When you go to resell, your gonna repeat all these talking points but from a sellers perspective to try to confince the buyer of these exact things. Like others have said, if price is your primary motivator, then it will be the primary reason someone else is going to buy your boat in the future, so prepare for a bigger loss then normal.
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Buy it. Get it full of fish guts. Make some memories. Take lots of pictures.
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This seems to be a fair review:

https://fishtalkmag.com/blog/bayline...-f21-bang-buck

It ain’t fast and it ain’t fancy but it is cheap.

If you want the biggest cheapest new boat you can find, that’s what you get. If you have to have new and are on a strict budget, you don’t have a lot of other options though.

If you can afford to spend a bit more (5-10k more) there are definitely some nicer boats worth considering.
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I have been to three Bayliner plants over the last 20 years or so and seen their manufacturing process. They are an entry level boat but are also a good buy for the money. I don't own one but have considered buying one to replace my 48 year old Sea Ray. Also, consider the fact that US Marine, who owns Bayliner, is the largest boat manufacturer in the world and they have dealerships almost everywhere, so it's relatively easy to get parts and service. One word of caution, do not listen to what competing dealers say about Bayliner. They are just trying to sell you their brand. Talk to Bayliner owners. Go to the Bayliner owners forum. https://www.baylinerownersclub.org/ I might add that in my job at the Coast Guard Office of Boating Safety part of my job was overseeing recalls of boats. If you search the USCG database you will see quite a few for Bayliner, but considering the number of boats they manufacture, no more than some other large, more expensive, boat manufacturers. The important thing is I can only remember over a 20 year time frame, only one instance where we( the Coast Guard) had to direct Bayliner to do a recall. All the rest of the ones listed were initiated by Bayliner on their own. I can think of only one or two other manufacturers with a record that good. see https://www.uscgboating.org/content/...&button=Submit
Go to a boat show, look them over. Get the one you like and go boating and have fun. By the way the advice about outboards given in other posts is good. Get yourself a good reliable outboard. Merc, Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda, they are all good.
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A Bayliner isn't as bad as everyone says and a Bertram isn't as good as everyone says, but a Bayliner still isn't a Bertram.

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My first boat that I owned was a brand new 19ft Bayliner cuddy with a 125hp Force outboard. It was not the best made, the prettiest, nor the fastest boat BUT, I was on the water with a boat I could afford but more importantly for me at that time, a warranty should something break. The used boats similarly priced were brands with well known names however little or no warranty. As a first boat owner I think that is a great choice, look at the new Trophy line however not the Element. You will thank me later. First boat has many learning curves and having a new Boat removes many things used boats frequently require. Go make memories!
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Originally Posted by Sixstring View Post
About a year ago, the freedom boat club was purchased by bruinswick.

Since their boats are replaced after three years, I am starting to see them bring in some new bayliners with mercs.

The fit and finish of these are pretty good. Nice layouts with very comfortable seating and good hull design.

I wouldn't consider a bayliner 30 years ago but would today.
Thanks for the information.
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I bought a new Bayliner. Definitely, an entry-level boat but not everyone wants to spend $60K on their first boat and would still like something new. As for Bayliners reputation, yes some of the material such as the seat covers are cheaper than other higher-end boats offer but I would say mainly the bad wrap Bayliner got was due to owners being new to boating and not taking care of their boats rather than the boat its self being junk. There is also a snob factor when it comes to people dealing with boating. New boaters often choose Bayliner especially back in the day and lets admit it, people new to boating make mistakes when it comes to ramps and navigation so it became cool for people who have never owned a Bayliner to make fun of them.
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Such a true statement "young vanishes quickly" because it sure does.
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Buying new or used?
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The liner is probably wood with carpet, not fiberglass.
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This is kind of why I am hesitant about the Forum, the floor is not wood and carpet it is Fiberglass, it clearly says it on the spec sheet for the boat. If I wasn't diligent enough to do some research I could have easily been persuaded away from a boat due to the lack of knowledge when people respond.
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Originally Posted by HeavyHitter843 View Post
Good afternoon everyone,
I am not only new to writing on a Forum style post, but I am in the final decision stages on making a choice for a boat purchase. I have had multiple styles of used boats in the past, and we have reached a point in our life where we are ready for a new boat. We have done tons and tons of research and are looking at either the Bayliner Element F18 or the F21 for a boat. I have read a lot of NEGATIVE reviews, but they all seem like they are from people who, 1. never owned a Bayliner, or 2. early 90's boat owners when Bayliner tried to make a cost efficient boat for under 10K. I have a 10 year old boy who loves to lake fish (where down in South Carolina) we won't use it in the ocean ever, and would pull a tube or two every now and then. Wife only will go on the boat when the water is in the 80's, and that limits her use of the boat to 3 months out of the year.
With out ever being on the Bayliner, what do you compare the boat to? I tried to rent one in Tennessee, and now they tell me there closed till January 2021, so either I buy a boat blindly or I go all the way to Sarasota, FL to test one out...Thoughts?
Google Grady White transom rot. They’re known as being a high quality boat yet they’ve had well written history of transom rot.

Bayliner is fine if the boat is sound.

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