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Old 09-21-2020, 12:08 PM
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Went out of Atlantic Highlands municipal off tip of the hook and tried to drift a couple of wrecks. All went well as 99.9 % of boats were following same pattern except this one guy who was screaming about lock jaw or lock spot and waived what appeared to be a orange flag on a pole at us. Flag looked like it was stolen off a 9 year olds bike and don’t see this flag in Colregs. Guy had an accent and between that and the reflection off his big gold chain we didn’t understand his problem. Anybody offer some in sight? Not local so think it might be me. Thanks in advance.


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You put “Jersey” and “etiquette” in the same sentence.

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Jealous of my gold chain and vowel at the end of my name I see.......HA
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You put “Jersey” and “etiquette” in the same sentence.

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The guy was using a spot lock system. He was using his gps and the nav system in his boat to stay in one spot.Its like he was anchoring without the anchor. I expect we’ll be seeing alot of this in the near future.
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With the Rhodan we stay on top of the fish, drifting days are over for us....
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Feel free to join the debate- 10 pages and counting:

spot-lock-anchoring-notifying-idiots-out-there-i-am-not-drifting

Two main camps so far:

1) Using a spot lock is the same as using an anchor and drifting boats need to avoid the anchored boat.

2) A vessel using spot lock is under power and actively manouvering and needs to follow rules governing vessels underway or making way.


<Spoiler Alert: USCG has weighed in that using a spot lock does not constitute anchoring>
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As far as I read in the other post you linked to, there is only ONE "camp" - Using spot lock is NOT anchored and therefore have to follow the rules of the road just like everyone else, including those drifting.

Also, i am pretty sure this is just a troll posting to get attention (and I guess it worked).
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You forgot to use the sarcasm font
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just stay an appropriate distance from him on your drift, control with rudder/motor angle and go from there, I'd say 100 yards is more than enough, if you are really on the fish and no one is trolling or casting, 50 yards is probably not "rude"
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[QUOTE=SpacerM;14069796]Feel free to join the debate- 10 pages and counting:

spot-lock-anchoring-notifying-idiots-out-there-i-am-not-drifting

Two main camps so far:

1) Using a spot lock is the same as using an anchor and drifting boats need to avoid the anchored boat.

2) A vessel using spot lock is under power and actively manouvering and needs to follow rules governing vessels underway or making way.


<Spoiler Alert: USCG has weighed in that using a spot lock does not constitute anchoring>[/QUOTE


thanks for summary. So the orange bike flag is the equivalent of the anchor ball that is required to be displayed as outlined in rule 30? Like rule 30 O?


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thanks for summary. So the orange bike flag is the equivalent of the anchor ball that is required to be displayed as outlined in rule 30? Like rule 30 O?
Have heard that Orange is the new black........
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What does an orange flag mean on a boat?


Meaning. Racing Committee flag. Used to show where committee boat end of the start line is. Orange start flag. Shows where the start line ends.

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Whaler?
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Originally Posted by SpacerM View Post
Feel free to join the debate- 10 pages and counting:

spot-lock-anchoring-notifying-idiots-out-there-i-am-not-drifting

Two main camps so far:

1) Using a spot lock is the same as using an anchor and drifting boats need to avoid the anchored boat.

2) A vessel using spot lock is under power and actively manouvering and needs to follow rules governing vessels underway or making way.


<Spoiler Alert: USCG has weighed in that using a spot lock does not constitute anchoring>
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just stay an appropriate distance from him on your drift, control with rudder/motor angle and go from there, I'd say 100 yards is more than enough, if you are really on the fish and no one is trolling or casting, 50 yards is probably not "rude"

even if he is showing green or only when he is showing red?
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As mentioned under the other post - Do not use an orange bicycle flag. It could be confused with an orange safety flag and would most likely cause more problems than it solves. And YOU know that.
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Originally Posted by THT MOD 14 View Post
What does an orange flag mean on a boat?


Meaning. Racing Committee flag. Used to show where committee boat end of the start line is. Orange start flag. Shows where the start line ends.

Was he in a :
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Whaler?
Thanks. It looked like a 30 something center console like maybe a Sea Craft. I see US Sailing has a flag sticker showing all the flags. I have ordered one to be better prepared next time. Thanks for suggestion.



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Since I fish in NJ I think the question is a good one. As a general etiquette rule, its first come first served when getting on a wreck. IMHO, a spot-lock anchor is the same as a regular anchor, that's why people buy them. The reason we let people "have the wreck" is because they are fishing the wreck, not because of anchoring technology. FWIW, I don't have spot-lock or a trolling motor but if I were to buy one, I'd consider it my wreck if I'm there first.
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Thanks. It looked like a 30 something center console like maybe a Sea Craft. I see US Sailing has a flag sticker showing all the flags. I have ordered one to be better prepared next time. Thanks for suggestion.
Did You order the Red "Protest" Flag?
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As long as you aren’t approaching him in his giveaway zone he is fine and you must stay clear
same as when trolling tight circle on fish , if you don’t want your circle broken , don’t expose your giveaway zone
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Did You order the Red "Protest" Flag?

we we’re going to but didn’t see a committee boat and didn’t have a protest form aboard. Is this form standard and the correct one to use?

protest_form.pdf
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Originally Posted by Ryan H. View Post
just stay an appropriate distance from him on your drift, control with rudder/motor angle and go from there, I'd say 100 yards is more than enough, if you are really on the fish and no one is trolling or casting, 50 yards is probably not "rude"
hundred yards??? In jersey we are
lucky if the guy next to you on a drift is unable to just climb aboard your boats

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