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Old 09-20-2020, 09:29 AM
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First ever post. As the title reads my wife and I are looking at a 21 and 23 stieger craft miami. We've read a ton of posts on here and bloody decks about these boats. We fish the chesapeake bay for rock. Just curious anybody go from a 21 steiger to the 23? Is the difference really worth the price? Also we would be fishing just my wife and I 90% of the time. Thanks for all the knowledge from all much appreciated.
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While I don't own one (have researched the hell out of those models though), you should always get the longer boat, all things being equal.
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Originally Posted by Shewillbemine View Post
While I don't own one (have researched the hell out of those models though), you should always get the longer boat, all things being equal.
most of the time, I'd agree with this.

but I recently purchased a new 255 Miami and do like the boat.
however, 1 boat prior, I had a new 23' Miami.

Thinking along your lines, I went bigger this time around.

Frankly I regret it.
the 23' got way better economy, faster, easier to trailer, easier to launch, easier to clean, better power curve, and a more ideal deadrise for my boating needs.

I guess what I'm saying is bigger isn't always better
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Originally Posted by westbootie View Post
most of the time, I'd agree with this.

but I recently purchased a new 255 Miami and do like the boat.
however, 1 boat prior, I had a new 23' Miami.

Thinking along your lines, I went bigger this time around.

Frankly I regret it.
the 23' got way better economy, faster, easier to trailer, easier to launch, easier to clean, better power curve, and a more ideal deadrise for my boating needs.

I guess what I'm saying is bigger isn't always better
That sucks. Boats are major purchases and admitting that sinking feeling takes guts.

I'd say, however, that the absolute length is a factor here. The 23 foot and higher lengths tend to represent another "leap" in drivability especially in chop. If he's at a 21 footer, it will effectively ride like an 18 footer.

If he's slipping, the launching won't be a factor. I agree with you. I wouldn't want to continually launch and retrieve a 25 footer or longer. I also launch solo all the time.
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The only real difference is the cockpit. The pilot house and the cabin are exactly the same,. I had a guy who was next to me with a 25 Miami and I think his cockpit was just bigger, I really don't think there was any other difference. That's definitely it between the 21 and 23. I would be very happy with a 21 if that's what I had, still plenty of room. I really don't think there would be much difference in ride. I have a friend near OC, MD who has a 21 and I'm sure he would love to share his experience if you want, I'll have to ask though. I'm a die hard Steiger fan but if I was in the Chesapeake I would also be looking at Judge Yachts, just as well built by people who love to fish. Contact IFishMD. Definitely worth a look and closer to home.

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I own a 2017 21' Miami, it is one hell of a seaworthy little boat, haven't ridden on a 23' but the only difference is the length of the deck. Buying new I'd be inclined to go with the 23' as memory serves it is only $20K more but you will need more motor. I've heard that the 21' rides better due to the ratio of length to beam, YMMV. The 21' has a big deck for a small boat and will very comfortably fish 2 (4 max). The boat is tippy due to the DV but the ride is very good, it does take a lot of tab adjustment however. I'd highly recommend you get the 200 on the 21' and the 250+ on the 23' as these are heavy boats. LOVE the protection of the pilothouse. Fit and finish, hatches leave something to be desired.
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Originally Posted by Vitalsigns View Post
I'm a die hard Steiger fan but if I was in the Chesapeake I would also be looking at Judge Yachts, just as well built by people who love to fish.
Judge builds a fine boat but it will not ride like a Steiger much less DR.
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Originally Posted by Shewillbemine View Post
If he's at a 21 footer, it will effectively ride like an 18 footer.
Not true at all, The 21' comes off as a bigger boat due to having a closed transom and OB on a bracket, I've done 5 175-225 mile trips this season alone and had it over 40NM offshore.

OP, do yourself a favor and join the owners group on facebook.
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Originally Posted by LISteiger View Post
Not true at all, The 21' comes off as a bigger boat due to having a closed transom and OB on a bracket, I've done 5 175-225 mile trips this season alone and had it over 40NM offshore.

OP, do yourself a favor and join the owners group on facebook.
I agree with adding the bracket gives you way more space and better ride too. Also like the versatility of the 21-23. While we will slip the boat at our dock the fuel economy is still a deciding factor too. And we are on steiger craft owners already. Thanks for your help. How'd the 21 handle 40 miles out? I like the idea of offshore fishing when we are more comfortable.
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Originally Posted by Fishingboy1 View Post
I agree with adding the bracket gives you way more space and better ride too. Also like the versatility of the 21-23. While we will slip the boat at our dock the fuel economy is still a deciding factor too. And we are on steiger craft owners already. Thanks for your help. How'd the 21 handle 40 miles out? I like the idea of offshore fishing when we are more comfortable.
Surprisingly well but we did pick our days carefully, it actually performs better on the ocean than our normal fishing grounds (long island sound) due to the longer duration between waves. Fuel economy is fantastic, we did a 190 mile trip and burned 70 gallons (80 miles out, 30 trolling, 80 back). I never intended to take it offshore but am now hooked. Do note that the bracket does make the boat less maneuverable dockside and if (when) the wind catches the pilothouse it can be a bitch docking (make sure the tabs are up and the engine is tilted up so the wash doesn't hit the transom).
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I have a 200 I4 on my 23 and it performs great, it sips fuel, I get 37 kt wide open at 6000 rpm and cruise at 20 kt at 4000 rpm 7.3 gph. I have seen a 21 fully decked out trolling at the Lindy. The only real time I would like more HP is climbing up the backs of waves I do have to work the throttle in a large following sea. The other trick to docking in wind is to open the windows, it does cut down on the sail area a bit.
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Originally Posted by westbootie View Post
most of the time, I'd agree with this.

but I recently purchased a new 255 Miami and do like the boat.
however, 1 boat prior, I had a new 23' Miami.

Thinking along your lines, I went bigger this time around.

Frankly I regret it.
the 23' got way better economy, faster, easier to trailer, easier to launch, easier to clean, better power curve, and a more ideal deadrise for my boating needs.

I guess what I'm saying is bigger isn't always better
I greatly appreciate your candor in your post. I have a 21 Chesapeake (and love it) but considered moving to a 23. I was told to make the jump to the 25 instead because of the hull difference toward the transom and payoff in terms of extra space. Now, I don't know what to think. We love our 21 for the reasons that you posted about your 23.
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Originally Posted by LISteiger View Post
Surprisingly well but we did pick our days carefully, it actually performs better on the ocean than our normal fishing grounds (long island sound) due to the longer duration between waves. Fuel economy is fantastic, we did a 190 mile trip and burned 70 gallons (80 miles out, 30 trolling, 80 back). I never intended to take it offshore but am now hooked. Do note that the bracket does make the boat less maneuverable dockside and if (when) the wind catches the pilothouse it can be a bitch docking (make sure the tabs are up and the engine is tilted up so the wash doesn't hit the transom).
Wow!! 80 miles out in a 21! I was thinking about how to make a trip to Baltimore Canyon out of Indian River Inlet. I know the fuel storage and economy are there but it still comes down to a window for favorable conditions. Many thanks for your post. Agreed on the docking. I used to be real nervous about it but I'm not anymore using the same methods that you've posted in addition to playing the forces of wind and, to a much lesser extent given where the ramp is, tide.
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Originally Posted by LISteiger View Post
Not true at all, The 21' comes off as a bigger boat due to having a closed transom and OB on a bracket, I've done 5 175-225 mile trips this season alone and had it over 40NM offshore.

OP, do yourself a favor and join the owners group on facebook.
You can take a bathtub 100 miles offshore if you wanted to. The ride of a 23 footer will feel better than a 21 footer, all other things being equal.
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Originally Posted by dh_3 View Post
I greatly appreciate your candor in your post. I have a 21 Chesapeake (and love it) but considered moving to a 23. I was told to make the jump to the 25 instead because of the hull difference toward the transom and payoff in terms of extra space. Now, I don't know what to think. We love our 21 for the reasons that you posted about your 23.
In talking to a couple of dealers on the East coast, they all said the 255 is the best selling model with the best ride.
I don't dislike the 255 at all. In fact I love it.
Just for my boating needs, I was able to do everything with the 23' that I can do with the 25' with out the hassle of a slightly bigger boat.
And who knows, I owned my 23' in 2012 so maybe my memory has faded regarding the differences?
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Originally Posted by westbootie View Post
In talking to a couple of dealers on the East coast, they all said the 255 is the best selling model with the best ride.
I don't dislike the 255 at all. In fact I love it.
Just for my boating needs, I was able to do everything with the 23' that I can do with the 25' with out the hassle of a slightly bigger boat.
And who knows, I owned my 23' in 2012 so maybe my memory has faded regarding the differences?
If I move up, it'll be to a 255 Chesapeake (with a second station). I don't see any benefit to going to a 23 from a 21. I've heard the same about the 255 being the best selling from Al himself at the Steiger factory (Al's a great guy, by the way). I'd love to slip my boat but I just like keeping it out of the salt. It's all tradeoffs. You can sit for years pondering all kinds of stuff in high dimensional spaces (e.g., but what if the chop and wind are doing this, and I want to fish there vs. here, and I've got people with me, and, and, and...). For me, I weight things against what I'm doing most of the time while on the boat. You've got an awesome boat made by an awesome company. Enjoy it and thanks again.

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You can get a second station on a Miami, it mounts to the gunnel instead of the back bulkhead on the PH. I love having the curtains on the back instead of a door.
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You can get a second station on a Miami, it mounts to the gunnel instead of the back bulkhead on the PH. I love having the curtains on the back instead of a door.
Thanks, I love having the door and back wall.
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I did have a situation when I had all of the curtains down running from a storm heavy rain when it turned around. We were in a narrow channel and I had to turn around into the wind and the guy with me never put them up before and had some trouble putting them up while I had to hold course in 40 mph winds and 3' seas in Great bay. We ended up trapped between 2 separate cells in the skinniest channel in the bay with a very poorly marked channel that I rarely use so I had no tracks to follow. A door would have been nice!!!
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Saw a Steiger 23 over the summer that had a 1/3 wall behind the captain with the second station on it, and curtains on the other side with a center zip door. Looked like a great compromise. Definitely get the attractiveness of a door and solid wall for some climates, but for others the loss in visibility and air flow would be a big deal.

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