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Old 07-18-2020, 10:04 AM
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Default Axopar 28 sea trial

We had a sea trial this week on an Axopar 28 cabin model with a single 300 Verado. All as expected except there virtually is no transom in the traditional sense. When you back down waves board easily under the swim platforms and flood the back cockpit and walkways going forward. This eliminates the need for scuppers and there is not a storage locker or a fish box in the cockpit sole. However this is unnerving and my question is has anyone else noticed this or as an owner had any trouble because of this design? We are interested in the 37 Cross cabin and that would be a twin. Does that boat have enough stern buoyancy to make it safe as an ocean coastal cruiser?
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As long as you keep going forward...
You won't be backing up on any Sailfish or Marlin.

How was the ride otherwise?
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There's a guy on here that has a couple of extensive threads on his original Axopar purchase, then I think he was upgrading to a newer, larger Axopar. Lots of Q&A in those threads. Do a search and you'll find it.

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Looked hard at new Axopar 28 with a black 300 three years ago, kind of liked it and the price brand new was pretty good.
Went with a used Albin 28TE instead,
Glad I did, but the Axopar had some some qualities that rang my bell, still intrigued, maybe later..
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do some research on the one that just sank in the bahamas. eye opening for sure
Old 07-19-2020, 05:46 AM
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It’s designed that way because it’s a lake boat. Not an ocean boat. Think cruising a cold, calm fjord somewhere in Northern Europe. Fishing in a heavy swell with that design (narrow, low gunnel, open back) is hazardous to your health.
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It reminds me of IKEA furniture.
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A boat with an open transom should not be out in the seas. If it can't sit still with seas to the stern, or if can't back up into the seas at a modest speed, then it should not be out there.

From what I could gather from the one sinking in the Bahamas, they had an electrical problem that took out one motor, then the other, so dead in the water. Apparently started shipping seas through the open transom and enough leaked through hatches to flood the bilge.

An engine failure on a boat should not result in a sinking. Simple as that.
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The one that sank in Bahamas seems to have had a cascade of failures - from power, to water gettin on deck (not really a problem in itself) - then the water seems to have gotten into the cabin and bilge. Curious how well sealed the cabin entry is to water ingress/hatches. Water in and over the stern happens fast - my BW has a small tuna door and every once in a while at drift just right with a door open will take a bit of water through the door - which then exits quickly too. Having no transom seems to present some challenges and curious how Axopar handles. Like the idea, layout, etc. but yes that would be a question I have.
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Default Axopar 37 cross sea worthiness.

I have run to the Bahamas many times out of Stuart. The Axopar is not a safe ocean fishing vessel as you all confirmed. I’m back to looking at one of my favorites...Ocean Sport Roamer sold by IMC, Lopez Island, Washington state. We owned 33 Roamer with Volvo D4s...great boat caught lots of fish. Thank you all for sharing.
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Open transom means water drains as fast as it comes on. Sounds annoying but not unsafe. Everything on the deck better be well sealed however.

Its not an uncommon design.
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Almost every commercial fishing boat around here has an open transom. Pretty sure they are not a death trap.
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Love some of these comments from people "in the know". As the owner of a 28 Axopar I've never had an issue with the open transom and "flooding" and as the boat test report showed, on a day they had never before taken any boat out in, 5-8 ft, the boat ran flawlessly. Yes the design is a bit strange and if I was buying a fishing boat to back down on fish, this would not be my 1st choice as that's not the intended use.

I've been in out all types of seas up to pounding 3-5 and rolling 4-6 and the boat handles incredibly well. I've been in and out at Haulover in some pretty harrowing conditions never once plowed the bow nor had any water over the transom issues. Then again I'm not jumping wave to wave either as some of those jackasses do. Captain who delivered the boat to me has crossed over to Bimini over 100 times in Axopars and in his opinion, no better hull design pound for pound, dollar for dollar exist. The boat that sank, well let's just say it didn't really sink and was salvaged and the account of how it sank is in question. You can clearly see however pretty bad damage to the hull.
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The image below is from the boattest.com report and this boat as configured has a bridge clearance of 9ft. You can read more in the report on how she handles different sea conditions. Here is a link to a video showing some of her handling in pretty sloppy seas going 34 mph. https://www.facebook.com/10001142976...0830011307978/

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I couldn't get the link above to work, but here is the YouTube video (offshore is at the 9 minute mark):

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I don’t get it - WHY would you be backing down in big seas?

I’m pretty sure the pointy end is supposed to be going into the seas, no?
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This comes up periodically and I don’t get it. Most “offshore” working boats have open transoms. Commercial fishing boats, open racing sailboats, etc. Tell me an amphibious assault ship doesn’t have an open transom. And the flip side is the older style CC with a cut down transom without a selfbailing deck - salvage waiting to happen, but not because it lacks a full transom.

open/closed transom doesn’t have much to do with seaworthiness. Lots of closed transom boats have filled with water and capsized because they can’t dump the water. Go watch YouTube.
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I have an Axopar 28AC so my word should count for something here. I have no idea how you got water into the cabin because I have been out in 4-6ft seas in rough NE waters and my deck is dry and certainly nothing inside the cabin. The boat rides exceptionally well for its size because of the hulk design. Is it a regulator? No but it also doesn’t pretend to be or cost as much. The thing about this being a lake boat is absolutely nonsense it’s a coastal boat for sure. The only safety modification you need to consider because if an open transcom is to carry a sea anchor with you in case you lose propulsion in heavy seas.
One of the biggest reasons boats sink, IMO, is the bow getting swamped in following seas. When your tansom is completely open the water drains out immediately so that the second wave doesn’t pull you down. It’s a good boat For the price point and you’ll love it. Best of all you can wave at the people freezing in their center console on a cold day while u are warm and toasty in your cabin.
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Originally Posted by jkujawa View Post
I don’t get it - WHY would you be backing down in big seas?

I’m pretty sure the pointy end is supposed to be going into the seas, no?
Depends how you fish. I drift and some boats like to drift ass into the waves.
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Originally Posted by asdf78 View Post
Open transom means water drains as fast as it comes on. Sounds annoying but not unsafe. Everything on the deck better be well sealed however.

Its not an uncommon design.
Originally Posted by Boat Hound View Post
Almost every commercial fishing boat around here has an open transom. Pretty sure they are not a death trap.
Have you ever been on an Axopar?

There is a big difference between a downeast lobster boat with an open transom and the open transom on an Axopar. You also have to take into account the height of deck, the center of gravity, buoyancy, length, beam, weight....bomar hatches...

Lots of boats had open motor wells, that didn't make the design safe...

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