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Old 10-29-2008, 09:30 AM
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Tuesday, October 28, 2008
Luhrs announces it will close local plant

Luhrs announces it will close local plant

Boat manufacturer to relocate operation to New Jersey

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Publication Date: 10/26/08


Mainship Corp. and Luhrs Corp. have announced they will close their St. Augustine plant and relocate their operations to Luhrs Marine Group's existing Millville, N.J., production facility.

Ninety employees remained on the payroll after 73 workers were laid off in July during the marine industry's "most difficult time ever," President Roger Yarborough said at the time.

During more prosperous times a few years ago, 250 employees were on the St. Augustine payroll, said Yarborough.

The transfer of tooling from St. Augustine to Millville will begin immediately, the company announced.

The decision announced Friday was made by brothers John and Warren Luhrs "after an 18-month critical evaluation of the production and cost efficiencies that would be realized by the centralization of the Power Boat Division in Luhrs Marine Group's southern New Jersey manufacturing facility," the company announced.

Hunter Marine -- the group's fifth company, located in Alachua -- as well as UK-based Luhrs Marine Ltd., will continue their present operations at their existing locations.

"We had been studying the benefits to our product lines, our present and future boat owners, and to our employee ownership by combining production, product support, sales and marketing responsibilities that have, historically, been autonomous," Warren Luhrs said. "John [Luhrs] and I -- together with Rick Cerami, chief executive officer of Luhrs Marine Group and our general managers -- concluded that our companies will be significantly strengthened by the centralization of design, engineering, manufacturing, parts fabrication, purchasing, and customer service at our Millville plant.

"The decelerated economy, in combination with our previous planning, has enabled us to implement our relocation and centralization planning and become a stronger group of boat-manufacturing companies."

The company expects "enormous efficiencies" as a result of the centralization -- most notably in design, engineering and in purchasing.

In their Friday announcement, John and Warren Luhrs said Luhrs and Mainship models will be manufactured concurrently with Silverton and Ovation units starting in January.

"Centralizing the design and engineering responsibility for all four powerboat lines at the Millville facility will not only enlarge the pool of exceptional talent available to Luhrs, Mainship, Silverton, and Ovation; it will encourage a sharing of technology among lines and models so that every Luhrs Marine powerboat will enjoy an increase in utility, performance, and comfort," said Cerami. "It's also easy to understand how Luhrs, Mainship, Silverton, and Ovation will be able to control and, in many cases, contain the cost of raw materials and equipment."

The "temporary layoff" announced in July was set up to run from Aug. 11 to Jan. 5.

"We understand a temporary layoff will create hardships for the individuals involved, but it is unfortunately unavoidable," Yarborough told the employees. "We have always been a partner with St. Augustine, and we are committed to working with the St. Augustine community for our mutual continued success."

Forty years ago, in December 1969, the Luhrs brothers acquired Silverton Sea Skiffs - a Toms River, N.J.-based powerboat builder. The brothers' "roots," in actuality, extend much farther back in boatbuilding: to the 1930s, when their father, Henry Luhrs, began producing wooden sea skiffs in the coastal town of Morgan, N.J.

"We didn't intend that this first major step in the Luhrs Group's 'Plan for the Future' would coincide with the 40th anniversary of the group's beginnings in New Jersey," John Luhrs said. "But we think our father would be pleased."


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Old 10-29-2008, 09:53 AM
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Roger Yarborough So much for a temporary layoff !! Thank You
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Old 10-29-2008, 10:16 AM
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They got run out of town
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Old 10-29-2008, 10:39 AM
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prober - 10/28/2008 7:12 PM

So I guess what you are saying then is that Luhrs paid to modify the first 39 hulls and then re designed the hulls after that because they just felt charitable? It had nothing to do with avoiding the coast guard demanding a formal recall? Man, pass some of those happy pills my way.
The CG had nothing to do with the recall. The CG was contacted by Luhrs to document the "voluntary" recall. The CG never even rode or much less looked at one of the boats. That being said, I'm not sure of one of the boats that didn't have a healing issue, but some were much worse than others. It all came down to how much putty globbed into the tunnel before delivery to the dealer. I ran probably half of the boats, including delivering Sunshines boat back to St. Augustine. Its a sh*tty hull period. Some were bad and some were ridiculous. The fix did greatly improve the heeling, but it was nothing more than a band-aid.
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Old 10-29-2008, 11:41 AM
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Thats a great company that does a Coast Guard Documented recall because people weren't driving the boats correctly. All the naval engineers and surveyors that examined the boats determined they were flawed and unfit for anything but intercoastal cruising were just driving them wrong too?

You better lay down till that feeling goes away

I agree all boats have issues but these hulls had more then just a simple punch list.
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Old 10-29-2008, 12:37 PM
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so what about the subsequent redesign? is it still a flawed hull? same exact hull for new open and for the convertible right?

how did they get it wrong in the first place? they spend big $$ on cad designs and then actual testing of the first hull before a mold is even made....

it will be very interesting whether or not the new 37 open is designed correctly for both IPS and outboards....big difference in weight, thrust, horsepower, weight distribution, stresses, etc....for their sake, i hope they hit it out of the ballpark. they cannot afford another misstep, particularly in this economy.

Reel-Deals-1st - 10/29/2008 10:39 AM

The CG had nothing to do with the recall. The CG was contacted by Luhrs to document the "voluntary" recall. The CG never even rode or much less looked at one of the boats. That being said, I'm not sure of one of the boats that didn't have a healing issue, but some were much worse than others. It all came down to how much putty globbed into the tunnel before delivery to the dealer. I ran probably half of the boats, including delivering Sunshines boat back to St. Augustine. Its a sh*tty hull period. Some were bad and some were ridiculous. The fix did greatly improve the heeling, but it was nothing more than a band-aid.
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Old 10-29-2008, 12:55 PM
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Hull 140+ is the same hull as the open and it doesn't have the same issues as the first 39 convertibles. It runs completely different and really isn't a bad hull. The first 41's are not the only model that had these same heeling issues. From what I understand these hulls were designed by Rick Breitenstein who made some shi**y boats and left or was fired right before I started there. I think he was the one that created more issues for Luhrs than anything else, but management apparently went along with him. Again, from what I understand the 41 was never tank tested. When the boats were run they were then pulled out of the water and had putty smeared in the port tunnel to correct the list. Every boat was different, but that goes along with the mentality around there of "pump 'em out". The new 37 was designed by another engineer and he seemed to have a pretty god job with the new model. The 37 a nice hull and runs great. There are certainly some things about it that aren't worth a damn when it comes to fishing, but a descent boat overall. Luhrs has some good hulls, but they also have some very bad ones.
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Old 10-29-2008, 01:55 PM
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prober - 10/28/2008 9:37 PM

I guess those coasties are just novices also. And that quote is from the Luhrs site, how unbiased is that? The coast guard is not in the habit of making a manufacturer recall unless a real safety issue exists. They obviously felt that the boat became unstable, what more do you need to know?
The Coast guard has a long list of duties which would probably include relaying that there have been complaints against a curtain model of boat. Being Luhrs has been unable to reproduce the condition in numerous attempts might indicate the reports are possible an exaggeration of novice users.
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Old 10-29-2008, 02:01 PM
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prober - 10/28/2008 9:37 PM

I guess those coasties are just novices also. And that quote is from the Luhrs site, how unbiased is that? The coast guard is not in the habit of making a manufacturer recall unless a real safety issue exists. They obviously felt that the boat became unstable, what more do you need to know?
The Coast guard has a long list of duties which would probably include relaying that there have been complaints against a curtain model of boat. Being Luhrs has been unable to reproduce the condition in numerous attempts might indicate the reports are possible an exaggeration of novice users.
Are you really so naive to believe everything you read? I bet you believed OJ too didn't you?
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Old 10-29-2008, 02:06 PM
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I can believe that Luhrs couldn't reproduce the condition. For starters, They propably said I ain't going out there in that nasty sea condition. At least anyone with a brain would do that.
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Old 10-29-2008, 03:21 PM
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I was one of the people running the boats, so I speak from first hand knowledge. I also ran Sunshines and Luhrs 41s boat on multiple occasions along with many of the other 41s in question. I spent most of 3+ months on the road running and being involved in the "fix". I also ran probably 75% or better of the boats to even leave the factory from 06'-08'. So, you believe what you want to believe and I assure you I don't turn away from nasty seas when on a sea trial. If you don't believe there was ever any sort of issue, then please explain how Luhrs could come up with a "fix"? And a fix that was drawn up some 2 years before any mention of a recall. You may have an agenda like some others involved in this thread, but I assure you "facts are still facts", no matter who you chose to or not to believe. Just like JYS was stomped on when he spoke up there are to many people who are misinformed yet still have an opinion that they feel is based on truth.
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Old 10-29-2008, 03:25 PM
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So, you were able to reproduce bow steer and heeling?
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Old 10-29-2008, 04:24 PM
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I know that Reel Deal did run alot of those hulls. I had the pleasere of running hull 1 through 39 and having 30 years in this business and all of the ran incorrectly. They had enginners slapping on bondo all over the place tring to get the boat run right and it never happened. Also rudder issues and prop issues. This is fact not fiction.
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Seems to be some Luhrs experts on here. Does anyone have an opinion on how the 40' runs compared to the 41'. Has anybody ever run the 50' Luhrs. I've never run any of them except a 29' and she was slow as dog@&^%.
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Old 10-29-2008, 05:40 PM
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If I'm not mistaken the 40 hull was very similar to the 38, which is probably the best hull to ever come from luhrs in my opinion. Boatman would know better than I would. I do know the 40 and 41 are completely different. I'm pretty sure the 40 was not a tunnel boat and the 41 is.
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Old 10-29-2008, 05:54 PM
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gezzz reel deal why bother. I you can't recall weather you were able to reproduce a bow steer condition... You just put yourself in the no credability catagory. Atempting to talk the talk but not being able to walk the walk don't cut it!
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boatmanalso...when do you leave for Jersey or are you already there drinking the Luhrs koolaid
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Wow boatman, why don't you read what has already been written rather than trying to think of something clever to say. No, it couldn't be recreated. There was never any issues at all with the boats. Everything was made up just to have something to talk about on a forum. Luhrs spent god only knows how much money on lawyers, repairs, and buying boats back just because a couple owners made some stuff up and rallied other owners to go along with their story. Two years before the recall Luhrs pulled out their crayons and construction paper and drew up a fix for an issue that never did or would exist on a hull they knew or didn't know would one day be involved in a fake recall. Luhrs didn't add 600# of lead to boats, shave a rocker off the hulls, and and add or remove wedge. It was all made up...or was it. Maybe they just pretended to do these things because they couldnt recreate an issue that never exist. Now ask yourself "am I really that Fing stupid"? Balls in your court genius and I'm going back to the "no credibility corner". - Carry On
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Old 10-30-2008, 06:41 AM
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So there. Buy now before the 09 price increase!
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Boatman - Darwin has a category for folks like you...
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