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Old 12-21-2006, 07:51 PM
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Old 12-21-2006, 08:51 PM
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I just want to know who I call to get a refund on the 45 minutes of my life I just gave up reading this thread.

Used boat, 260 hours, minor problems. This is why I'd rather piss over the side than have a full bathroom and take my showers via the fresh water washdown, solves all those problems of pesky shower doors breaking.

Lurhs would have no legal ability to seize the boat as the contract was between the dealer and the buyer. Not having a clear title on a trade may not be that big a deal if this was chump change compared to the 700k but I bet if they had to do it over again they'd never have done it.

There's a lot more to this story than we are getting on both sides, I'm convinced of that.

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Old 12-21-2006, 08:57 PM
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I'm also 1/3 owner of a 13 Whaler!!
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Old 12-21-2006, 09:39 PM
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[QUOTE]scottaboat - 12/21/2006 8:51 PM

I just want to know who I call to get a refund on the 45 minutes of my life I just gave up reading this thread.


Yeah, I agree, but you have to admit that reading 'the Y in my sanity is also messed up now after repair' made it worthwhile .
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Old 12-21-2006, 11:47 PM
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Boy, this beats reruns of CSI, and not to derail this tread, but a couple of comments were made that I have always asked the question why. Why is no boat perfect? yes, I understand issues like the rigging of my outboards being fine tuned on my last center console or small items, but why, when a guy spends major bucks on a boat, is it not debugged prior to delivery better than they are? Why is there not a more ridgid inspection process during the delivery? Does SouthWest airlines spend months debugging every 737 they get? Heck, I hope thats not the case. The other question that always bothered me was why dealers are notorious for not servicing a boat purchased from another dealer. In the automotive world I think the dealerships survive on the service end of the business. I was looking hard at one brand of new boat that was about 15% higher in my area versus the Florida market and ultimately decided against it based on the local dealers reputation for not servicing what they didn't sell. I understand the guy buying locally gets to the front of the line, but don't shun everyone else to the point it becomes your reputation. This seems to happen all over and not something I hear about in the car industry. I was given the excuse they had too much business. wish I was in that business. perhaps the recent slump in new sales will change some dealership minds. Seems to me that we, the purchasers, have accepted a benchmark below 100% that the builders have now set as "acceptable". Again sorry for the derail.
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Old 12-22-2006, 07:33 AM
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I have to agree totally with 54 Bertram. I also don't want to derail this thread but I saw a show on the 599 Ferrari the hole process.
It was amazing the detail that went into every part of that car (a total hand built car) the price $250,000. Hard to compare this type of workmanship to a boat.
I don't think there is another market that would accept this, house, car, airplanes etc and should be the boating market as well.
It sounds like after you buy a boat don't plain on using it for 6 to 8 months afterwards because the factory has to repair it.
I also feel that the THT has helped in this process. Having to send a boat back after the sell in my opinion is bullsh_t.
Good luck on this boat! Their is my 2 cents.
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Old 12-22-2006, 08:05 AM
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Heck, I've had 7 new cars (company cars) in the last 12 years. 3 GM, 2 Ford, 2 Dodge. Each one came from the dealership perfect. Only one had any mechanical issue in the 80K miles i keep them for (current equinox) and was repaired quickly.

Imo, anyone who says you should "expect" issues with a brand new boat (regardless of price) is just letting the manufacturer and dealer off the hook. No excuse for this mentality (a mentality that nearly buried u.s. car makers).
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Old 12-22-2006, 08:59 AM
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I also believe 54 Bertram is right on target. In a way we are conditioned to accept it good enough , every day in the boat industry. I have owned enough boats to know that the attitude of the dealer trickles down from the builder. I feel when you are talking about smaller boats that there is always going to be some question of service vs price. That is simple economics, and when you are building hundreds of boats vs 10 or so a year like in the case of this 41 there is simply no excuse for this kind of quality control issues. I understand this guys frustration, granted he is not the best communicator, but I just choose to focus on what has made him this upset in the first place. If I lost my boat due to poor service I would be livid as well. Finally the fact that the boat was a demo has absolutely nothing to do with this. The dealer should have prepped the boat, and I always preferred buying a boat with a few hours on it as It gives someone else a chance to work the bugs out. In my case I have had several issues with boats I have owned and I can tell you there is a major difference in the way Albemarle resolved them vs Proline.
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Old 12-22-2006, 09:03 AM
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Oh, heck, this thread is getting serious again, so here we go...

I have great news everyone... my doc just called and said I had nothing to worry about. The results of the emergency MRI are in and the Y in my sanity is doing good--nothing to worry about and no repairs are needed for now!

Cheers and pass the popcorn!
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jets - 12/22/2006 9:03 AM

Oh, heck, this thread is getting serious again, so here we go...

I have great news everyone... my doc just called and said I had nothing to worry about. The results of the emergency MRI are in and the Y in my sanity is doing good--nothing to worry about and no repairs are needed for now!

Cheers and pass the popcorn!
And I bet your Doc also told you that the rectal exam was necessary as a precaution also...
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It's essential that some solid information come out in these kinds of threads because otherwise they are reduced to little more than venting, gossip, and speculation. This may be entertaining, but not ultimately satisfying. Quality control in the pleasure boat industry has never been its strong suit, and my take is that often this is due to the competing demands for value and quality. One theme in this thread was that the Luhrs was a "good value" or "a lot of boat for the money". Compare the cost of a 41 (aka 44 Luhrs) to a 45 Viking. What accounts for the difference? How does the individual buyer justify the difference? As an aside, Ferrari has recently had problems with major car fires in both 599 and 430 models. I believe causes and extent of problem to be fully determined. Not entirely non-sequitur.
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Old 12-22-2006, 11:49 AM
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I'm not forming an opinion until i hear from deadwood/seaurchin
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Old 12-22-2006, 12:12 PM
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Compare the cost of a 41 (aka 44 Luhrs) to a 45 Viking. What accounts for the difference? How does the individual buyer justify the difference?
Well, those who know Viking's work (and other top brands like them) can answer this question. The list of reasons for the price difference is long, but I can tell you the quality when it leaves the factory and the post sales support is superior to what you'll see in many lesser (aka cheaper) boats. This thread is proof of that.

Comparing a large sportfish boat to a car isn't even close to fair. Is your Chevy or Ford completely built by hand. Is everyone customized from the one before it? Does it take 3-5 months to complete each one? It would be much more accurate to compare these boats to high end custom homes. I know several folks who build those homes and who've purchased them. They aren't perfect either and there is still warranty items. Now take that home and move it through the water at 30 knots and see what happens? Just trying to keep the comparison fair.
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Old 12-22-2006, 02:47 PM
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Isn't that a picture of his boat!!! (ouch) couldn't resist
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Old 12-22-2006, 03:31 PM
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Ok... my family owns a 29 luhrs... We have had the boat for about 5 yrs now. We have not had any major issues that have not been our fault (we take responsibility for using/fishing the boat hard) I read in an earlier thread that someone had nicknamed a 31 bertram "blunt force trauma" well let me tell you ours is more like "the rolling spine smasher!!" Anyhow...It has good engines (315 yanmars) and mechanically the boat is fine... However (imagine this is a big long drawn out dramatic pause) we realized when we bought the boat that is was not (to use a car analogy) a lexus... and we had no expectations that it would be. Little stuff breaks all the time and causes headaches, but if you actually use your boat a lot, than it is a given... I agree that the guy posting this thread has issues, he is mad cause he spent lots of $$$ for a **new** boat (more than a lot of homes cost) and he wants it to be perfect. Luhrs boats hit a price point for their size... that is kind of "their thing" and no company that positions its product like that is going to make a super strong showing in the quality/performance area... Everything will be a trade off weighed against costs. Period. Boats depreciate = fact of life. I would rather invest a couple of $K in an epirb, ditch bag, saftey kit, etc, nice reels/rods/lures... or (again a long drawn out dramatic pause) buy a higher quality slightly used boat and take the risk of inheriting someone else's problems (boats are put up for sale for a myriad of reasons, problems are a big one) In our case we were tired of inheriting problems and wanted a new boat that we could break all by ourselves... Luhrs fit the bill. Incidentially, we recently purchased a new construction home... and before we closed, we had the home inspected and created a punchlist of items that the builder had to fix before we closed on the home. Simple due diligence. There are sooooo many good and bad boats out there. What I don't understand is... if the guy seatrialed the boat, and is this anal about some of the relatively minor stuff noted, why did'nt he ask that it be fixed before delivery, or better yet, just buy a different 41 luhrs, of which I am sure there are several on the market at present. A little education and a buyer beware attitude can fix a lot of problems before they happen.
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Compare the cost of a 41 (aka 44 Luhrs) to a 45 Viking. What accounts for the difference? How does the individual buyer justify the difference?


Is your Chevy or Ford completely built by hand. Is everyone customized from the one before it? Does it take 3-5 months to complete each one? .

More of a reason the boats should be built the right way. Its more hands on. Still no excuse for shoddy craftmanship. I couldn't get away with that crap work at my job..
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SEATOAD - 12/22/2006 3:31 PM

Ok... my family owns a 29 luhrs... We have had the boat for about 5 yrs now. We have not had any major issues that have not been our fault (we take responsibility for using/fishing the boat hard) I read in an earlier thread that someone had nicknamed a 31 bertram "blunt force trauma" well let me tell you ours is more like "the rolling spine smasher!!" Anyhow...It has good engines (315 yanmars) and mechanically the boat is fine... However (imagine this is a big long drawn out dramatic pause) we realized when we bought the boat that is was not (to use a car analogy) a lexus... and we had no expectations that it would be. Little stuff breaks all the time and causes headaches, but if you actually use your boat a lot, than it is a given... I agree that the guy posting this thread has issues, he is mad cause he spent lots of $$$ for a **new** boat (more than a lot of homes cost) and he wants it to be perfect. Luhrs boats hit a price point for their size... that is kind of "their thing" and no company that positions its product like that is going to make a super strong showing in the quality/performance area... Everything will be a trade off weighed against costs. Period. Boats depreciate = fact of life. I would rather invest a couple of $K in an epirb, ditch bag, saftey kit, etc, nice reels/rods/lures... or (again a long drawn out dramatic pause) buy a higher quality slightly used boat and take the risk of inheriting someone else's problems (boats are put up for sale for a myriad of reasons, problems are a big one) In our case we were tired of inheriting problems and wanted a new boat that we could break all by ourselves... Luhrs fit the bill. Incidentially, we recently purchased a new construction home... and before we closed, we had the home inspected and created a punchlist of items that the builder had to fix before we closed on the home. Simple due diligence. There are sooooo many good and bad boats out there. What I don't understand is... if the guy seatrialed the boat, and is this anal about some of the relatively minor stuff noted, why did'nt he ask that it be fixed before delivery, or better yet, just buy a different 41 luhrs, of which I am sure there are several on the market at present. A little education and a buyer beware attitude can fix a lot of problems before they happen.

very good post..I agree with all.
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Schmaltz, that is one ugly picture. Please tell me you got that pic off the internet and it was not "self-created"!

As ugly as this post has been, actually, there has been some good info given, good food for thought, etc.

We all do it, we spend $25K for a car and expect it to be perfect, and most cars are really close. Then we spend $100K for a boat and say "no boat is perfect". It is this "no boat is perfect" concept that has always prompted me to buy older boats. My current boat is 19 years old, 1987 Viking, and I figured that it has stood the test of time so there shouldn't be any huge surprises and there haven't been. I improve where I can and fix what breaks and have been pretty happy.

It has been pretty obvious where I stand on this particular thread but I truly hope that Luhrs, the 2 dealers involved and 41 Luhrs get on the same page and reach a fair conclusion. For all that was said, it looks like the path was already set and Luhrs agreed on the problems and proposed the fixes. Now, it is on Luhrs to perform and deliver on their proposed solutions. I hope they do because from my short experience on a 41 Luhrs, they are big, nice, fast and pretty boats and it is a shame for it to be denegrated here, maybe unfairly.
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JAGSARE1 - 12/22/2006 6:04 PM

Schmaltz, that is one ugly picture. Please tell me you got that pic off the internet and it was not "self-created"!
That is not the result of my wifes cooking but rather the business card of a neighbors retriever. It was a Nikon Coolpix that captured the 'moment'.
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