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Old 05-29-2008, 03:03 PM
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Now Now Boys!!!!! Let it rip. They did so many wrong!!! No wonder people talking!
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Old 05-30-2008, 12:32 PM
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A few different owners have contacted me over the past week and I tell you, I'm not really sure what to tell them. You can really do nothing, but feel bad for someone who feels they have nowhere to go. What a mess. I just hate to see somewhere that offered so many people jobs going down the toilet for no reason, but their own. I wonder if any of corporate has even thought about the mess they have put themselves into. They pretty much screwed the people in Midway and it looks like they are going to finish it off down here. I just don't get how something that could have been addressed could continue to go on as long as it has and think "everything will be okay". Oh wait, never mind. I'm ignorant and have no idea how things work. I'm sure all the employees that have been loyal to them for years and years will get a "thank you". I would imagine the warranty dollars owed by now hold more value than the company is worth at such limited production. Maybe the good ole' boy network can open a hotdog stand built out of one of the 41s. That would be hard to F up.
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Old 05-31-2008, 05:07 AM
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Maybe some of the older employees that got a good screwing should have already have gotten a thank you. Some of them working side by side with Mr Yarlborough way back in the 80's. They havnt heard so much as a word from anyone so far last I heard. That should tell you how thankfull management is. That is how the problem started, Money means so much more than LOYALTY
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Old 05-31-2008, 07:14 AM
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"Thank You" Luhrs does not know what that word is!! Jim, Roger, and Bill screwed many good men over!!! Said one thing did another. Promised this then did another! Moved men then laid them off. Good men. Wait till they move their families there then lay them off. Not a handshake not a Thank You and hell not even a KMA!! Let son-in-laws stay cause of who they are! Slowly they down to nothing then going move to Hunter, then Run Hunter into the ground what next Silverton run that down too!!

I'm sure the older Luhrs man is turning in his grave because of these three men!! What happened to the good ol boys like Dave B, Brad A, and Erine D. Got screwed and they was good men. Dave B got screwed years ago, Brad A they waited till he moved his family down then screwed him and Erine D didn't make the move got out before hand but still not a Thank You to any of these men. Not a handshake. Well I give them a Thank You and a pat on the back.

What about all those new comers that was starting to make a name for them self!!!

They should of left Mainship in Midway, Leave Hunter and Silverton alone and let Luhrs crash. Now all will go down because of cutting corners and trying to make money and not fixing 39, 41 Luhrs that they knew was a problem! Roger may of come in after there was trouble, but he could of been a GD man and made them fix it and take care of it. Instead he made matters worse by not helping fix the problem. Still cutting corners and making money.

I need to change my name and sell my Mainsip stuff, might get two cents for it!

So To Dave B, Brad A, and Erine D you did your best and made a name for yourself at least your got out and wont have a name with you! "Thank You" for your hard work.
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Old 06-04-2008, 04:32 PM
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At this point I am not 100% sure but Ill bet all three of those guys would tell Luhrs to KMA. I hate to see bad happen to all the good employees but the present management deserves to go down hard because of the way they handled a perfectly fixable situation.
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Old 06-04-2008, 04:40 PM
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I'm up in New Jersey for the summer. There is 35' Luhrs a few slips down that has a starboard list and I mean a bad list. The owner was telling me that he was thinking about adding weight to the port side to balance the boat. I took a look a things. He has a galley up model, and I think the weight of the counter tops is the problem. Luhrs didn't know this problem? Also, there is no fresh water bulkhead connection. The guy has to use his water tanks. The "Bean Counters" really went overboard on that design. I told him to log onto this site and search for Luhrs 41.
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Old 06-04-2008, 06:51 PM
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Well well well. What a conclusion. If it looks like dog doo, smells like dog doo, and steams like dog doo, ...its probably dog doo.

They should put this in a pamphlet form and sell it on the magazine rack next to the new boat mags.
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Old 06-06-2008, 03:05 PM
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It seems to me that every payday an employee and his employer become even again. Whatever the employee has done, he gets paid for; whatever the employer pays the employee, he has hopefully gotten adequate work for the money. With that said, what obligation does the employer have on an ongoing basis to the employee?
From experience, I can tell you many employee's loyalty is as long as hillary's memory, which is zero. Should an employer owe the employee a job when many employees will quit at the drop of a hat for $.50/hour?
There are many dedicated, loyal employees in the US and if they have any realistic sense of self worth are paid for their value. If they are, then they are even with their employer on payday. If not, they should find someone more appreciative of their labors. I've seen many people who think they are worth far more than they actually are. Keep in mind, an employer can never pay you what you're worth. If he doesn't make money on his employees, he goes bankrupt.
I think the owners of poor quality boats have a legitimate gripe, but the employees have probably all been paid for their efforts.
Some of the older members may remember Uniflyte boats which were perhaps on a par with Hatteras and Bertram. They changed suppliers for their fire retardant they put in every hull for safety. After a year or two, the hulls started to get severe blistering from a reaction of the resin and fire retardant. They tried valiantly to stand behind their boats and repair them, but it quickly overpowered them and forced them out of business. I doubt any of the employees tried to bail them out. Is obligation a one way street?
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Old 06-06-2008, 03:14 PM
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When a company fails, you can't blame the rank and file. It is the duty of management to recruit and retain the right people, and put appropriate technology and process in place to allow them and the company to succeed.

This saga is not a matter of one or two rogue customer service reps blowing off a few disgruntled owners - it goes much deeper than that. It goes back to the commitment to engineering standards from development through release, and the philosophy of standing behind the product. There is no single employee in the mix that can over-ride the philosophy and management decision of the Luhrs boys, who I see as opportunists who took advantage of a mini boom in boating, much like their dad did back in the 60s. It is typical of second generation family owned businesses, where the next generation never had the hunger, passion, talent (engineering or management), of their predecessor.
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Old 06-06-2008, 03:14 PM
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Thats one way to look at it Stimmy. I do believe though that the employer owes its employees after payday. They expect to have a job on monday, the same way you expect them to show up to work on monday. I believe its the employers responsibility to make sure the employees have a future, otherwise what are they slaves?
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Old 06-06-2008, 03:19 PM
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joenew61 - 6/6/2008 3:14 PM
It is typical of second generation family owned businesses, where the next generation never had the hunger, passion, talent (engineering or management), of their predecessor.

I thought that luhrs was employee owned?
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Old 06-07-2008, 08:31 AM
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M.E.K. - 6/6/2008 5:14 PM

Thats one way to look at it Stimmy. I do believe though that the employer owes its employees after payday. They expect to have a job on monday, the same way you expect them to show up to work on monday. I believe its the employers responsibility to make sure the employees have a future, otherwise what are they slaves?
I think you missed my point. At payday, both sides are even. There is no further obligation on either side. How can you compare slavery to gainful employment where each side benefits per an agreed upon (paycheck) price?
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Old 06-07-2008, 08:59 AM
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Not when they give you a few minutes to either take a big cut in pay or take a layoff!! Owner owned when everyone I've taked to has of yet to see there share of it some from back last July beeing waiting on there money.

And Mainship I know all three of those men. They was great guys. Knew what they was doing and yes a big Thank You to them!!!!!!!
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Old 06-08-2008, 10:30 PM
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I am interested in a 2005 Luhrs conv. I think this is really a good looking boat and the one I am looking at is really clean and the workmanship looks very good. I am aware of the problems and frustrations from Luhrs41 and Sunshine. It sounds like they got a raw deal with perhaps lemons. Has anyone had good experiences with these boats?

In looking at the boat bottom, it appears to me that the dynamic stability may be caused by three things. 1)The center of gravity along the LOL is too far forward. 2)Too much power, and 3) the lack of sufficent rocker at the transom. Since the fuel tanks are ahead of the engines, it would be easy to reduce weight and move CG back by limiting the fill to say no more than 400 gals of diesel. It would be easy to limit top speed to no more than say 26-28 knots. The one I trialed topped out at 34 knots which I think is too fast for this hull. I was impressed with the performance of this boat however it was in calm seas and less than 1/3 fuel. I think any fast boat with too much tab ( hence bow down) can hook under the right conditions. Talk to the Cigarette guys and they will tell you quick that you better keep that bow moderating up in rough seas.

I would like to hear any comments from owners and their experiences. This is one fine looking boat that has an excellent lay out. The engine room has the best access to the engines than any mid size that I have seen. You can acutually access the outboard side of the engines. I have heard that the ride is better than a similiar size Cabo. I like the boat but the concerns discussed on this thread as well as the deteriating reputation of the manufacturer has me on hold.
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Old 06-09-2008, 04:46 AM
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I would like to hear any comments
I think you are crazy, and I'm not even a marine architect/engineer.

With all the world and all of the choices WHY would you take a chance on finding some easy answer that Luhr's itself with all of its experience couldn't find?

Even at 25% of street value if perfect, it doesn't sound like these boats are any kind of deal. You can buy almost any brand you want right now at a substantial discount. $10 diesel is coming. Or not, but some people believe that and are trying to get whatever they can out of these money pits now.

Buy a problem that might be fixable, but save a bundle and solve somebodies headaches. Or buy it and enjoy the condo - the boats won't be a problem at the dock or in a bay somewhere.
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Old 06-09-2008, 05:51 AM
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Luhrs is a soup sandwich. You can debate the wheels off of it if you want, but it is what it is. They have enough orders to keep them going for a little longer, so I don't think they are going anywhere right now. I would imagine its inevitable, but I hope they can make it and actually learn something from this.

If your in the market for a Luhrs, go for it. If the boat you are looking at is a 28-29, 30-non-IPS 31, 33-34, 41, 44, look for something else. I could give you more detail on each of these models and there issues if you would like, but Ill skip the novel here. 32-36s are nice boats. Dated, but nice. Personally, I would look elsewhere. Then again, I'm only a disgruntled ex-Luhrs customer service guy just looking to blow off some steam.
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Old 06-10-2008, 08:36 PM
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Thanks, for your inputs and yes I am a little crazy- I like boats!. The 41 that I am looking at is a 2005 and had the hull modifications by Luhrs in St. Augustine. The boat is like new with 200hrs on the QSM 11s. The owner never had any issues but took advantage of the recall. He said that frankly that he did not see any difference after the mods but he had not encountered any problem since he had the boat. He is moving up to a larger boat and anxious to sell. I ran the boat in the bay and didn't see any issues what so ever. But it was calm and the boat was light. I thought the performance was impresive but clearly I will run it in rough water and understand what is going on before I consider buying.

Reel Deals, I had heard that Luhrs had changed the hull mold on the Convertible to the same hull as the 41 open after the first 40 hulls. I was told that there were no problems at all with the listing and stability after this change. Can you comment on that and what are the differences between the two hulls? I appreciate everyone's candor on this thread. I can not afford to make(buy) a mistake so let me know your thoughts.

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Old 06-10-2008, 10:22 PM
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Honestly please read the thread again and tell me that you are still considering buying this hull. Even former employees are letting the truth be known. It does not get anymore obvious than this. Now if you want a floating condo this may be just the boat but outside of that you are just asking for headache.
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Old 06-11-2008, 06:13 AM
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RUN --If it is a 2005 --You will be in for nothing but problems. The list is only one of the problems with the boat. Structural problems, CO 2 entering the cabin (deadly), toilet that leaks into bilge, A/C that will NEVER work because of so many "quick connects"that leak, rudders that will fall out (potential of sinking), DO YOU NEED ANY MORE !!!
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Old 06-11-2008, 07:45 AM
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If you can't afford to buy someone else's mistake then you need to run as fast as possible from this hull. Now if you are some crazed millionaire with more money than sense and this is your ultimate set of nipple rings then go right ahead. There are far better boats on the market for the same or less money.
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