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Old 11-08-2007, 08:06 PM
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Old 11-08-2007, 08:06 PM
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It is my understanding, from this thread, that 41 Luhrs can't sell the boat or even file suit because he does not have a clear title to the Luhrs 41. See, 41 Luhrs traded-in for the Luhrs 41 was owned by his ex-wife and he misrepresented the title to the dealer at the time of sale so 41 Luhrs doesn't have a clear title to the new Luhrs 41.

41 Luhrs is doing nothing more than trying to use the "the Hulltruth Lynch Mob" to get Luhrs to refund his money so he can clear up the title problems with his ex-wife.

By the way the new wife "Candy Plastique" can't stand the sight of the Luhrs because it reminds here of the ex-wife and that is why the boat was in New Jersey so long.
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Old 11-08-2007, 08:08 PM
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It is my understanding, from this thread, that 41 Luhrs can't sell the boat or even file suit because he does not have a clear title to the Luhrs 41. See, 41 Luhrs traded-in for the Luhrs 41 was owned by his ex-wife and he misrepresented the title to the dealer at the time of sale so 41 Luhrs doesn't have a clear title to the new Luhrs 41.

41 Luhrs is doing nothing more than trying to use the "the Hulltruth Lynch Mob" to get Luhrs to refund his money so he can clear up the title problems with his ex-wife.

By the way the new wife "Candy Plastique" can't stand the sight of the Luhrs because it reminds here of the ex-wife and that is why the boat was in New Jersey so long.
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Feedback, great info. How does that explain all the other 41's out there that run like ASS? How does your insight into Luhrs 41's title history explain the HORRIBLE workmanship on the 41? How about Mr. Sunshines POS thats got pages and pages of documentation from naval architects and surveyors showing that its not fit for its intended use?
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Old 11-09-2007, 04:40 AM
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Feedback,

Your handle seems to be appropriate - as in acoustic feedback, as in something that repeats itself indefinitely, and is exceedingly annoying to the listener. See also "high pitched squeal".
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Old 11-09-2007, 04:52 AM
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Old 11-09-2007, 05:26 AM
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M.E.K. - 11/8/2007 8:08 PM

How does that explain all the other 41's out there that run like ASS? How does your insight into Luhrs 41's title history explain the HORRIBLE workmanship on the 41? How about Mr. Sunshines POS thats got pages and pages of documentation from naval architects and surveyors showing that its not fit for its intended use?
I've been reading this thread from the begining and refraining from commenting becuase I think it's a turned into a soap-box for a one sided arguement. There's so many non-truths and rumors from this thread it's a joke. "All the other 41's out there that run like ass?" - well I only know of 2. And what is my source? A couple of owner's agenda laced rant on the Internet. Truth be told EVERY boat manufacturer has boats that have issues, EVERY ONE.

The only issue I see is how the management at Luhrs tackeld this problem. It's definitley poor customer support, that is, if we have all the true FACTS. But the truth is Luhrs puts out a decent product for the money. Sure it has some craftsmanship short comings, but this is a mid-tier boat that fits the bill for someone that doesn't want to spend double for a simialr boat that has a better finish and trim.

Here's what FACTS I do know: I participated in the negotiations and purchase of a new 2006 41' with my very good friend two seasons back. The boat was delieverd as promise and has worked like it should from day one. My friend is happy with the boat. He's happy that he's got a nice new 41' ride at under half what he would of paid for a Bertram or Viking. Does the boat have any issues? Sure, minor things, but it's not "HORRIBLE workmanship" at all. And all issues that he has brought to the dealer's attention were fixed asap.

So, I'll take what I read with a grain of salt on an Internet forum. Anyone with an agenda can post anything, and half of those that read it will take it for fact. To the disgruntled owner's out there, I hope it works out for you. I'll just say this, if I was able to afford a new boat I wouldn't hesitate to look at a Luhrs boat, becasue for the money it's a good deal. I'd just do my homework, have the boat checked overy back and forth, and go to a dealer with a good track record. And the money saved on the boat? Well that'd of course go towards the gas bill.
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Old 11-09-2007, 05:48 AM
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Fasttimes,,

You may be comfortable spending $700k on a product from a company that is willing to stiff a customer in the event that the problems go over a certain cost threshold, but most people are not. Most mid-tier and even lower-tier manufacturers will cover trivial warranty repairs. That is not the right benchmark to use when evaluating customer service, since for those repairs, anyone spending this much on a boat could always self-insure.

There is a structural issue with this boat, and Luhrs is stalling and pushing back on addressing the issue. It doesn’t matter to me how many other boats they have in their lineup that may be structurally sound. Knowledge of how they handled this particular case, and knowledge that they could release a boat without adequate engineering quality control, is enough to make me, and I suspect a good majority of other potential buyers, take them off the list.
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Old 11-09-2007, 06:55 AM
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joenew61 - 11/9/2007 5:48 AM

Fasttimes,,

You may be comfortable spending $700k on a product from a company that is willing to stiff a customer in the event that the problems go over a certain cost threshold, but most people are not. Most mid-tier and even lower-tier manufacturers will cover trivial warranty repairs. That is not the right benchmark to use when evaluating customer service, since for those repairs, anyone spending this much on a boat could always self-insure.
More blather from the joeman Who self insures a new boat? Do you get a credit to opt out of the warranty program?

There is a structural issue with this boat, and Luhrs is stalling and pushing back on addressing the issue. It doesn’t matter to me how many other boats they have in their lineup that may be structurally sound. Knowledge of how they handled this particular case, and knowledge that they could release a boat without adequate engineering quality control, is enough to make me, and I suspect a good majority of other potential buyers, take them off the list.
Did you miss the part about his friends boat being fine? Did you miss the part about all manufacturors having the odd lemon. Inadequate engineering quality control? What they engineer each boat differently? Another load of meaningless drivel from your overblown ego. Sure it sounds like Luhrs customer service on a couple of boats is suspect but we only have one side of the story.

Joe, you claim to be a potential buyer and you take up a lot of bandwidth with your pontificating but it seems to me that you are the typical tire kicker. You say that you are taking Luhrs off your list? You started out here wanting a common rail diesel boat under 40'. Then the Egg Harbor 43 was the only way to go. Then maybe the Mirage 40. Next you say that you spent time with the president of Cabo. If that is actually true, I feel badly for him having to endure the crap coming from you knowing that you don't have the horsepower to purchase his product.

How about you give us some more fishing advice from your vast readings on the subject. Better yet, just keep blathering away. It is entertaining.

Make sure and tell us all what kind of boat you are actually buying.[/QUOTE]
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Old 11-09-2007, 07:51 AM
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To all of you that want Luhrs side of the story--- Lets hear it !!! They make some BS recall 6 months after we start the thread. 1) Now we have a 3rd owner that has the same problems,that posted on this site. 2) Ralph Computara sent a email to Boat US Consumer Problems (that was posted on this site) 3) Frank Camarada problems and sea trial was posted on this site by me $)-- I count 5. Yes there are other owners that do not post on this site --that does not mean they don't have problems --NO WaY. What about " Major Issues" for sale for $ 300,000.00 les than the new purchase price for a boat that has 500 hours on it ??? Do you think it is "normal" to have so many boats for sale that have so few hours on them ???If you are in New York --- Ask Oakdale Boat Center about the Luhrs 41 !!!

If you feel comfortable buying a Luhrs -- Good Luck !!!!!! You have had a warning
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Old 11-09-2007, 08:19 AM
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Y2k,

Well, at least you are consistent. As usual, almost none of the above has anything to do with the topic at hand – more on that later, but let’s deal first with the one “point” you made that is at least on topic. The fact that he claims that his friend is happy with his 41 should mean very little to the average buyer. Any builder can build one good boat, or a few good boats, or even many good boats. But if they don’t stand behind all of their boats, then the risk that you would end up like Luhrs 41 or Mr Sunshine has to be factored into the decision process, both from the standpoint of expectations of build quality, as well as risk of being left out in the cold should you get a lemon.

Engineering quality control = ensuring that the way that the boat as designed will perform as expected BEFORE you manufacture and release 39 hulls. See Tiara 3900 for a case in point.

Regarding my boat search history, I can understand that someone like you who worked or works in the industry, would love to have someone come in, look at the first boat in your inventory, and plunk down a deposit. I have no doubt that there are buyers who operate that way, but many of them no longer have the access to financial resources to free-wheel like that. Get used to it.

Some of us are a little more rational than that. All of the boats that I have looked at can be used the way I plan to use the boat, and I have never once said that any boat is “the only way to go”. There are differences in size, performance, and value – it is all a matter of trade-offs. FYI, I have more than enough HP to buy the Cabo, but that doesn’t make it the right choice. Once I close, I will be happy to let you know what I bought, and will even include the reasons why I bought it.

Since very little of this has anything to do with the Luhrs 41, I suggest if you want to continue this exchange, let’s start another thread. We can call it “Frustrated and defensive boat industry insider meets the rational boat buyer”.
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Old 11-09-2007, 08:31 AM
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Sunshine,

Don't get upset by these posers that are posting here deflecting what the real issues are here.

Luhrs messed up and fails to clean up the pile of $hit they left on yours and others front lawn.

These guys above are either shills for Luhrs or sell them.

I'm with you and Luhrs should pay up, fess up and be thankful they are still in business.

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Old 11-09-2007, 09:31 AM
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joenew61 - 11/9/2007 8:19 AM

Y2k,

Well, at least you are consistent. As usual, almost none of the above has anything to do with the topic at hand – more on that later, but let’s deal first with the one “point” you made that is at least on topic. The fact that he claims that his friend is happy with his 41 should mean very little to the average buyer. Any builder can build one good boat, or a few good boats, or even many good boats. But if they don’t stand behind all of their boats, then the risk that you would end up like Luhrs 41 or Mr Sunshine has to be factored into the decision process, both from the standpoint of expectations of build quality, as well as risk of being left out in the cold should you get a lemon.

Engineering quality control = ensuring that the way that the boat as designed will perform as expected BEFORE you manufacture and release 39 hulls. See Tiara 3900 for a case in point.

Regarding my boat search history, I can understand that someone like you who worked or works in the industry, would love to have someone come in, look at the first boat in your inventory, and plunk down a deposit. I have no doubt that there are buyers who operate that way, but many of them no longer have the access to financial resources to free-wheel like that. Get used to it.

Some of us are a little more rational than that. All of the boats that I have looked at can be used the way I plan to use the boat, and I have never once said that any boat is “the only way to go”. There are differences in size, performance, and value – it is all a matter of trade-offs. FYI, I have more than enough HP to buy the Cabo, but that doesn’t make it the right choice. Once I close, I will be happy to let you know what I bought, and will even include the reasons why I bought it.

Since very little of this has anything to do with the Luhrs 41, I suggest if you want to continue this exchange, let’s start another thread. We can call it “Frustrated and defensive boat industry insider meets the rational boat buyer”.
I don't know what makes you think I am frustrated about anything? You have no idea what I do or how well I do it nor is it relevant to what I post. It's about the message not the messenger. I know that this won't fit your model but I know industry people who are doing quite well in this market. Again, not relevant to any points made. I believe that your comments regarding the industry are self serving in that you hope to get a good deal and therefore want the world to be as you state that it is. When I see that, my BS meter gets pegged.

The reality is that new boat prices are not going to come down significantly. There will be a shakeup as there has been in the past and there will be manufacturers closing but prices aren’t going down simply because they can’t. Can you name an industry that can absorb a 20%-30% price drop over the long term and be profitable? There will be some short term incentives but those can’t last indefinitely. Now before you start blathering again, selling direct will not work. Yes there are some small manufacturers that do it but the industry as a whole can’t go there. Some people think that cutting out the middleman will cut costs. Well, the volume manufactures need to move their lines and they need to attract customers. If there are no dealers to advertise then they will have to do it. If there are no dealers to field the calls and close the deals then they are going to have to hire people to do it. If there are no dealers to do warranty work they are going to have to do it and they will then be paying their own shop rate all the time. There will have to be accessible points of sale and service so the manufacturers would need to open stores. Etc, Etc. Not going to happen.

So back to the joeman. Remember when you were telling the guy from Australia what a fine choice an Egg Harbor 43 would be for his area? Correct me if I am wrong but you have little or no offshore experience yourself? Yet that doesn't seem to stop you from posting away. That is why I respond to your posts. Nothing to do with the boat industry. Just that BS meter again.
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Y2k,

I have no doubt that you are very good at what you do, whether it be fishing, or selling boats, both of which you have represented in previous posts. However, what this exchange always comes down to is a contest between your trying to represent the realities of the boating industry to match the way you want them to be against my doing the same.

The industry is in a recession right now, and the economy has actually been pretty good over the last few years. When the effects of the equity market downturn, $30 runup in oil prices, and housing crash finally play out next year, this industry is going to go from bad to much worse. Did you ever think you would see Buddy Davis building only small fish boats? He wasn't exactly bubbling over with enthusiasm on that video! Anyone looking at this objectively can see who has the high BS meter.


Regarding prices, until a major shakeout occurs most builders have excess capacity and too many low volume models. Bad planning – pure and simple. That’s what has been driving up the cost of the boats over the last year or so. This industry is highly leveraged – volume changes magnify profit changes in both directions. When operations of the survivors are right-sized selling prices will level out. Over the short term, the smart builders will sell at prices that buyers are willing to pay so they can live to fight another day.

Take the dealers out of the equation, and you will take inventory carrying cost out, will take waste and inefficiency out of the customer support model, and will tend to have more expertise on the front lines –direct from the factory. With the shrinking market, there will be excess capacity in general marine service – those long queues and high shop rates will be much more manageable. It is understandable how someone that did a particular job will tend to think that his role was indispensable, but if you asked the typical buyer if he would be willing to have this model in exchange for a 15-20% reduction in purchase cost, I think that most would. No more of that ping pong between dealer and manufacturer on warranty work – one stop shopping.

As far as the Australia guy goes, he asked about the Egg Harbor 43 boat with no details about his usage, I gave him my opinion after having sea trialed it, and he was appreciative. All that aside, your even mentioning it in this thread is really pretty childish.

Bringing this back to the subject of Luhrs, given the state of the industry, there is no rational reason why anyone would look at a boat from a dealer with a suspect track record, and major liability risks hanging over them.
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joenew61 - 11/9/2007 10:25 AM

Y2k,

The industry is in a recession right now, and the economy has actually been pretty good over the last few years. When the effects of the equity market downturn, $30 runup in oil prices, and housing crash finally play out next year, this industry is going to go from bad to much worse. Did you ever think you would see Buddy Davis building only small fish boats? He wasn't exactly bubbling over with enthusiasm on that video! Anyone looking at this objectively can see who has the high BS meter.
Well we certainly differ on what is going to happen but so what? You are a gloom and doomer, I am not. BTW, Buddy Davis is a pretty poor example. He has been in and out of business many times. But you are actually making my point. If Buddy could produce his big boats at a substantial price reduction and make a profit he would do so. He, like most, can’t so he is going to do something different until he can.




Regarding prices, until a major shakeout occurs most builders have excess capacity and too many low volume models. Bad planning – pure and simple. That’s what has been driving up the cost of the boats over the last year or so. This industry is highly leveraged – volume changes magnify profit changes in both directions. When operations of the survivors are right-sized selling prices will level out. Over the short term, the smart builders will sell at prices that buyers are willing to pay so they can live to fight another day.
Bad planning is what is driving up the cost of boats? Costs went up, sales went down
(for whatever reason) and “planning” would have kept the prices down? I could be wrong about you. I thought that you just liked to hear the sound of your own voice but that might actually not be it.

“When operations of the survivors are right-sized selling prices will level out”. First prices are going to go down, now they are going to level out?

“Over the short term, the smart builders will sell at prices that buyers are willing to pay so they can live to fight another day”.

Yes, that is what I said. Short term lower prices via incentives.



Take the dealers out of the equation, and you will take inventory carrying cost out, will take waste and inefficiency out of the customer support model, and will tend to have more expertise on the front lines –direct from the factory. With the shrinking market, there will be excess capacity in general marine service – those long queues and high shop rates will be much more manageable. It is understandable how someone that did a particular job will tend to think that his role was indispensable, but if you asked the typical buyer if he would be willing to have this model in exchange for a 15-20% reduction in purchase cost, I think that most would. No more of that ping pong between dealer and manufacturer on warranty work – one stop shopping.
"Take the dealers out of the equation, and you will take inventory carrying cost out".

Uhhh, Joe, the manufacturers will have to absorb the inventory carrying costs thus increasing their own costs. Are you sure that you are a bean counter?

“will take waste and inefficiency out of the customer support model, and will tend to have more expertise on the front lines –direct from the factory”.

Are you saying that successful dealers are not good at customer service? Ridiculous blathering. Front line support will improve? |Joe, the manufacturers are going to have to open stores in order to move boats. People are not going to drive/fly to a remote factory in order to buy a boat. Yes, again, there are small manufacturers that do this but the volume builders can’t operate this way. So, when they open stores, they are going to have to have sales people there to man them, probably the same people who are there now!

“With the shrinking market, there will be excess capacity in general marine service – those long queues and high shop rates will be much more manageable”.

So a shop doing less business will be able to do service for less money. Are you a socialist or something?

“but if you asked the typical buyer if he would be willing to have this model in exchange for a 15-20% reduction in purchase cost, I think that most would. No more of that ping pong between dealer and manufacturer on warranty work – one stop shopping”.

If that is how you phrased the question, sure it sounds great. As I have said, those savings won’t be there. Finally, in my experience, warranty hassles are the result of the manufacturer not standing behind his product. Think about it, if shops were reimbursed fairly and promptly, warranty service would be just like regular service to them. Why wouldn’t they want all of that increased profitable business?



As far as the Australia guy goes, he asked about the Egg Harbor 43 boat with no details about his usage, I gave him my opinion after having sea trialed it, and he was appreciative. All that aside, your even mentioning it in this thread is really pretty childish.

Bringing this back to the subject of Luhrs, given the state of the industry, there is no rational reason why anyone would look at a boat from a dealer with a suspect track record, and major liability risks hanging over them.
Childish?? You hold yourself out as an expert therefore you should expect some comment. You say he was appreciative? Maybe but I thought that he was just being polite about being the beneficiary of your wake jumping experience.

Anyway, it looks like we are not going to change each others minds so, you go back to your theoretical postulations and I will continue living in the real world.

BTW, what kind of worms do you use to catch marlin?
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Sorry – too lazy to embed the quotes – went with a more direct approach. This could set a record for long annoying nested exchanges that only two people bother to read.


joenew61 - 11/9/2007 10:25 AM

Y2k,

The industry is in a recession right now, and the economy has actually been pretty good over the last few years. When the effects of the equity market downturn, $30 runup in oil prices, and housing crash finally play out next year, this industry is going to go from bad to much worse. Did you ever think you would see Buddy Davis building only small fish boats? He wasn't exactly bubbling over with enthusiasm on that video! Anyone looking at this objectively can see who has the high BS meter.

Y2K says:
Well we certainly differ on what is going to happen but so what? You are a gloom and doomer, I am not. BTW, Buddy Davis is a pretty poor example. He has been in and out of business many times. But you are actually making my point. If Buddy could produce his big boats at a substantial price reduction and make a profit he would do so. He, like most, can’t so he is going to do something different until he can.

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Right – the market sucks, good to see you finally stopped denying it. Message to builders - change your pricing and cost model, or get out. Just because you can’t make a profit at a given price, doesn’t mean someone will be willing to buy it at that price. You seem to have a problem with my noticing that boats cost more than the market, (and I) will bear.


Regarding prices, until a major shakeout occurs most builders have excess capacity and too many low volume models. Bad planning – pure and simple. That’s what has been driving up the cost of the boats over the last year or so. This industry is highly leveraged – volume changes magnify profit changes in both directions. When operations of the survivors are right-sized selling prices will level out. Over the short term, the smart builders will sell at prices that buyers are willing to pay so they can live to fight another day.


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Bad planning is what is driving up the cost of boats? Costs went up, sales went down
(for whatever reason) and “planning” would have kept the prices down? I could be wrong about you. I thought that you just liked to hear the sound of your own voice but that might actually not be it.

“When operations of the survivors are right-sized selling prices will level out”. First prices are going to go down, now they are going to level out?

“Over the short term, the smart builders will sell at prices that buyers are willing to pay so they can live to fight another day”.

Yes, that is what I said. Short term lower prices via incentives.

Joe says:
Let me make this simple.
The past:
Builders add capacity – add costs
Builders make bigger boats – add costs
Builders keep screwing around with their product lines – add costs
All of the above is covered up by the favorable market – prices inflate.
Builders don’t stop and think that the market will go down, nor do they bother to calculate how much sensitivity there is in their financials to that happening – Bad planning.
The future:
Builders go out of business – reduce capacity
Other builders that survive downsize – reduce capacity
Market demand bottoms out at a level equivalent to reduced capacity. Unit costs go down, and prices settle lower
Incentives – right. That is my basic premise – builders have to capitulate on price to move inventory and stay in business. That is the position you keep trying to refute, or maybe I misunderstood?



Take the dealers out of the equation, and you will take inventory carrying cost out, will take waste and inefficiency out of the customer support model, and will tend to have more expertise on the front lines –direct from the factory. With the shrinking market, there will be excess capacity in general marine service – those long queues and high shop rates will be much more manageable. It is understandable how someone that did a particular job will tend to think that his role was indispensable, but if you asked the typical buyer if he would be willing to have this model in exchange for a 15-20% reduction in purchase cost, I think that most would. No more of that ping pong between dealer and manufacturer on warranty work – one stop shopping.



"Take the dealers out of the equation, and you will take inventory carrying cost out".

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Uhhh, Joe, the manufacturers will have to absorb the inventory carrying costs thus increasing their own costs. Are you sure that you are a bean counter?

Joe Says:
How many boats will there be in the pipeline in a factory direct model vs a dealer model? Ten dealers need ten boats, and have to pay floor plan, insurance and other costs on those boats. A year’s worth can be 5-7% of the cost of the boat, and that comes out of the buyer’s pocket.

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“will take waste and inefficiency out of the customer support model, and will tend to have more expertise on the front lines –direct from the factory”.

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Are you saying that successful dealers are not good at customer service? Ridiculous blathering. Front line support will improve? |Joe, the manufacturers are going to have to open stores in order to move boats. People are not going to drive/fly to a remote factory in order to buy a boat. Yes, again, there are small manufacturers that do this but the volume builders can’t operate this way. So, when they open stores, they are going to have to have sales people there to man them, probably the same people who are there now!
Joe says:
I am not recommending that builders replace dealerships with stores, that would not be factory direct. The point is that ten dealers will have to staff up for a lot of wait time. A central support service will always be more efficient in terms of managing the queue of requests, and will take waste out of the system – it’s a pretty basic economic principle. And yes, a dedicated, direct factory trained support network will have better brand-specific skills than those found at a multi-brand retail outlet.
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“With the shrinking market, there will be excess capacity in general marine service – those long queues and high shop rates will be much more manageable”.

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So a shop doing less business will be able to do service for less money. Are you a socialist or something?
Joe says:
Nope – pure bred capitalist. Shop doing less business will be more competitive on price to get work.

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“but if you asked the typical buyer if he would be willing to have this model in exchange for a 15-20% reduction in purchase cost, I think that most would. No more of that ping pong between dealer and manufacturer on warranty work – one stop shopping”.

Y2K says:
If that is how you phrased the question, sure it sounds great. As I have said, those savings won’t be there. Finally, in my experience, warranty hassles are the result of the manufacturer not standing behind his product. Think about it, if shops were reimbursed fairly and promptly, warranty service would be just like regular service to them. Why wouldn’t they want all of that increased profitable business?
Joe says:
You are absolutely correct about the warranty hassle being due to manufacturers leaving the dealer to pick up the cost to maintain goodwill, as well as short-changing the reimbursement rates. If the work was done through a third party, and the dealer is out of the picture, the builders will have to work directly with the owner, and there will be more accountability.



As far as the Australia guy goes, he asked about the Egg Harbor 43 boat with no details about his usage, I gave him my opinion after having sea trialed it, and he was appreciative. All that aside, your even mentioning it in this thread is really pretty childish.

Bringing this back to the subject of Luhrs, given the state of the industry, there is no rational reason why anyone would look at a boat from a dealer with a suspect track record, and major liability risks hanging over them.


Y2K says:
Childish?? You hold yourself out as an expert therefore you should expect some comment. You say he was appreciative? Maybe but I thought that he was just being polite about being the beneficiary of your wake jumping experience.

Joe says:
The childish element is that it is irrelevant to either the discussion of Luhrs 41, or the discussion about the state of the boat market. You simply interjected it to try to score points. Again, not only was it childish, but it was taken out of context.


Y2k says:
Anyway, it looks like we are not going to change each others minds so, you go back to your theoretical postulations and I will continue living in the real world.

BTW, what kind of worms do you use to catch marlin?

Joe says:
Ah, there goes that childish streak again…..

I didn’t think it would ever be possible to hijack a thread as robust as this one, but we my have just succeeded.

Just to get back on point….. Luhrs sucks!
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Old 11-09-2007, 03:56 PM
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Please stop.

No one cares anymore. This thread has been going on for what seems like years.

For God sakes lets take up a collection, better yet how about we buy little lurhs boats symbols and give the contributions to this guy. You could have a couple of wheels, anchors and a little Luhrs boat.I am begging you PLEASE STOP!!!!!!!

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Old 11-09-2007, 03:58 PM
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Please stop.

No one cares anymore. This thread has been going on for what seems like years.

For God sakes lets take up a collection, better yet how about we buy little lurhs boats symbols and give the contributions to this guy. You could have a couple of wheels, anchors and a little Luhrs boat.I am begging you PLEASE STOP!!!!!!!

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Old 11-09-2007, 04:33 PM
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Bunkie - 11/9/2007 3:56 PM



Please stop.

No one cares anymore. This thread has been going on for what seems like years.

For God sakes lets take up a collection, better yet how about we buy little lurhs boats symbols and give the contributions to this guy. You could have a couple of wheels, anchors and a little Luhrs boat. I am begging you PLEASE STOP!!!!!!!

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Oh c'mon. Your as into this as the rest of us. If not, you wouldn't have posted and gave this thread a fresh bump to keep in the spotlight. I'm sure that these Luhr's owners appreciate it. I know, how about every time this thread starts drifting down to the bottom of the page, post a " please stop " comment to keep it alive.

Just mess'n with ya Bunkie.
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Old 11-09-2007, 08:18 PM
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I care and I hope this thread doesn't stop until the 41 Luhrs owners are satisfied or Luhrs goes bankrupt. There is no excuse for customers to be jerked around like this and as long as the thread stays active, people won't forget how Luhrs is treating them.
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