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Old 12-20-2006, 08:41 PM
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Hardtop supports are simply mechanical connections. If they begin to leak, re-seal them. Unless there is an underlying structural issue, why complain about something so tiny and easy to fix? Remember this was a used/demo boat and when any boat is used, especially in ocean fishing use, things move and shift and need tightening and some maintenance.

Picture a sportfisherman running in 3-4' ocean waves and imagine the stress on the hard top frame supports. If you put your hand on it, you will feel it move. Doesn't matter whether it is a Luhrs, Bertram or Cabo, it will move. When things move, they might loosen. If they loosen, you apply maintenance. I don't understand where this is a big deal.

The truth is, none of us know if the hard top is really leaking. The source of the leak could be somewhere else. My point is, any comment from anyone but the owner and the seller is purely speculation which is why it shouldn't be here.

The owner already said he will see the seller in court so why come to the internet?
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Old 12-20-2006, 08:45 PM
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I have a 6 year old Albemarle and the hard top does not move or leak. Why would a hard top that is factory installed leak?
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:00 PM
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BUGBUSTER - 12/20/2006 7:14 PM

tommyr904 - 12/20/2006 7:04 PM

Bigrodholder - 12/20/2006 6:49 PM

You get what you pay for, right? I've always heard Luhrs were poorly made boats. Am I wrong? Not trying to stir the pot...just been under the impression that Luhrs was second-tier, at best.



no your wrong and you are a dik!!!









in case yall need to know why he is a trollin azz dik look at what he said in the boats for sale forum.2005 mako 1 big trouble.

You're right Tommy. He's an arse. Geeeez some people. Probably Adam's brother in law or something.






dang never thought of that i think you may be right
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:20 PM
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I just explained how it could leak. Mine doesn't leak either but I caulked the connections after I bought it. The boat is a 1987. You kinda missed my point. My point is, this is all speculation. Heck, maybe there is no hard top leak but that is so trivial, why complain?
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:33 PM
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Jags

Come on -- he bought a demo -- it is still a new boat. These problems should be fixed.He has legitimate problems besides __General Maintenance.

Have the 41's had problems with ride ?
Holding Tanks ?
A/C freon leaks from a poor designed "quick disconnect" system by Dometic ?
A/C vents that were added in the Salon.

Just to pound this guy is wrong !! There may be issues between himself and your dealership -- but I believe some of his points, because I have had them myself. As I have stated, Luhrs is working well with me -- but it took some persistence on my part. The dealer was quick to brush off my problems ( it was not JYS) but I took it directly to the factory.

I think LUHRS 41 should take them up on the offer to take the boat to the factory. I also believe they made this offer to him as you state. I know in my case it was a big inconvenience to do this. He probably feels the same.




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Old 12-20-2006, 09:49 PM
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I haven't pounded this guy at all. Didn't say anything derogatory. I have never stated the boat was perfect or anything like that. No reason to. It seems to be a simple case to me, he has problems and he has been offered a way to fix them but I guess he will not allow that to happen. If he won't allow Luhrs to fix the problems then he needs to quit complaining. No boat leaves the factory perfect and if he will not allow the problems to be fixed, what is Luhrs supposed to do? Sounds like they tried or are trying.

By the way, not my dealership. I have no standing in this other than an interested observer. You mentioned that it took some persistence on your part to get some action, if you will read my first post on this topic, I stated that exact thing. The difference, it seems, is that you made some effort to get your items fixed and as stated, he will not allow that to happen.

I am just a little annoyed at some of the bashing posts that tell one side of a story and then you hear nothing else. It is very difficult for a manufacturer to come and defend themselves without seeming to be insensitive. I do not own a Luhrs and I am not connected to them but it sounds like they made a very fair effort.
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:56 PM
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JAGSARE1 - 12/20/2006 9:49 PM

I haven't pounded this guy at all. Didn't say anything derogatory. I have never stated the boat was perfect or anything like that. No reason to. It seems to be a simple case to me, he has problems and he has been offered a way to fix them but I guess he will not allow that to happen. If he won't allow Luhrs to fix the problems then he needs to quit complaining. No boat leaves the factory perfect and if he will not allow the problems to be fixed, what is Luhrs supposed to do? Sounds like they tried or are trying.

By the way, not my dealership. I have no standing in this other than an interested observer. You mentioned that it took some persistence on your part to get some action, if you will read my first post on this topic, I stated that exact thing. The difference, it seems, is that you made some effort to get your items fixed and as stated, he will not allow that to happen.

I am just a little annoyed at some of the bashing posts that tell one side of a story and then you hear nothing else. It is very difficult for a manufacturer to come and defend themselves without seeming to be insensitive. I do not own a Luhrs and I am not connected to them but it sounds like they made a very fair effort.
What is your interest then? You appear to by be a Luhrs defender.
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Old 12-20-2006, 10:12 PM
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I'm having a hard time bitting my tongue here so I will try to be short. I agree that this is somewhat one sided at first, but we have had both parties chime in here, one side who was, in my opinion, misleading as to who they were until called out by the original poster. I can understand the OP's frustration.

He is the customer. Regardless of whether his concern is a big deal or a small deal, all his concerns should be dealt with period. Even better if they are things the customer thinks is a big deal, when in fact the dealer knows that it is a small thing, so he can deal with it quickly and economically so that the dealer can look like a hero to the customer. I'm not saying that the dealer should take it up the....but there should be some courtesy extended. From the dealer's posting (and the reason for my hardtop comment) is that it APPEARS that the dealership is minimalizing all the customer's concerns. And one of the complications here is dealing with two dealerships - the selling dealer and the servicing dealer, who have probably submitted conflicting stories to the customer.

As far as Jagsare1 not pounding the guy, I felt your first post minimalized his list. Are some of his items nit-pickey - YES. But some are not.

It was interesting to hear the report about the head/holding tank problems. I have also seen this personally so this leads me to suspect that the OP's problem may not be caused by user error. Yet the dealer posts what he thinks almost has to be the reason for the problem. At this point, as it sounds like this has been going on for some time, the dealer should be able to say exactly what the issue is. My advice here - increase the ID of the vent!
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Old 12-20-2006, 10:20 PM
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I don't get it . . . A simple checklist by a "non-boater" would have picked up half the stuff on that list. The rest and probably more could have been picked up by a qualified surveyor. Why not complain prior to purchase?
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Old 12-20-2006, 10:35 PM
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I'm speculating here, but if its the same thing that happened to a person I know, not all of these conditions existed at the time of purchase and should not have occurred by time the boat was one year old.
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Old 12-20-2006, 10:41 PM
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Bigrodholder,
I find it very curious that you registered the same day as the author of this thread......I always find it funny on threads like this the number of "new" users that chime in supporting the "new" poster with gripe....

Jag is a longtime well thought of member of this forum who is to the best of my knowledge in no way affiliated with Luhrs. Attacking long time members of this forum only hurts any validity to the claims that originated this thread.

I don't think I've ever heard cracker say he didn't have "anything" to add to a thread either!!!

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Old 12-20-2006, 10:54 PM
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Bigrodholder, you must not have read my post. I told you exactly who or what I am in this situation which is an interested observer. Nothing more or less. I did defend Luhrs a little because I knew, but couldn't say, that some things had been offered. No one can FORCE the owner to get these items fixed(at Luhrs expense). My question remains, if these problems are legitimate(and I am not doubting it as I have no first hand knowledge) and if he has been offered the opportunity to make it right(and I think he has)...then what is the problem? Now we are ALL back to speculating.

Chris, you are right, I did minimize some of the items on the list because it just seems like half of the items could have been easily corrected by the owner. But it seems by the comments that Luhrs will fix them at their expense so I do not see the validity of his complaint. He wants things fixed but won't let Luhrs fix them? If that is the case, don't complain.

I have $10 that says there is a helluva lot more to this story than is being told.
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Old 12-20-2006, 10:57 PM
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I agree, I wish we could really know the truth. Maybe if it does go to court some day we can get the court records. I think its safe to say both sides feel taken advantage of by this situation.

I'm still not really sure who is for real in this thread and who is fake.
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Old 12-20-2006, 11:10 PM
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If you are still wondering about me, I can assure you I am just interested. I own a 1987 Viking 35' and have never owned a Luhrs. You never know, maybe in the future. Don't work for them don't work in the yacht brokerage biz or in the marine biz at all. I like long walks on the beach and foreign movies...
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Old 12-20-2006, 11:40 PM
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"No boat leaves the factory perfect "

Just about anyone who owns, or has owned, a boat knows this to be true and it's funny how we all have just come to expect it. Hopefully those in the biz keeping an eye on this thread take this to heart and vow to produce better products. Wishful thinking I'm afraid.
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Old 12-20-2006, 11:48 PM
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crackerasscracker - 12/20/2006 6:41 PM I honestly have nothing I can add to this.... wait, ok, one little thing.... you just do not see that many folks with 4th grade writing skills owning $600k boats....the Lord works in mysterious ways....
amen.. I think calling someones kid ugly takes a rear seat vs questioning ones purchase decision
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Old 12-21-2006, 12:50 AM
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BUGBUSTER - 12/20/2006 7:14 PM

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Bigrodholder - 12/20/2006 6:49 PM

You get what you pay for, right? I've always heard Luhrs were poorly made boats. Am I wrong? Not trying to stir the pot...just been under the impression that Luhrs was second-tier, at best.




no your wrong and you are a dik!!!









in case yall need to know why he is a trollin azz dik look at what he said in the boats for sale forum.2005 mako 1 big trouble.

You're right Tommy. He's an arse. Geeeez some people. Probably Adam's brother in law or something.
I did tell you my brother in law's a sniper, right?
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Old 12-21-2006, 01:34 AM
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It seems to me that if Luhrs has indeed (as stated above) offered to take the boat back to the factory and make these fixes; then they have stood behind their product as best they can. Based on the nature of these issues, the factory is the best and maybe the only place that can fix said issues. I can't imagine why the owner has not taken them up on this offer? Also, depending on how long it was in use as a demo there may be different warranty limitations at work here?

There is another issue to consider here. It seems (correct me if I'm wrong) that the owner is located in NJ but bought his boat (a dealer demo) from the FL dealer. Since he's not willing to take the boat to FL for the factory to service, it sounds like he is not a north/south boater (just an assumption). If that is the case, he basically blew off his local dealer and crossed territory lines (which are important in this size boat). That means that the dealer he is working on the warranty issues with made $0 profit on the sale. This doesn't help things one bit (though it doesn't excuse them either). Now with a demo boat it is not unusual to sell out of territory, but it does complicate warranty issues going forward. So, it sounds to me like Luhrs is doing what they can but the mess is within the dealer network. No doubt there is more to the story, but discussing it in a public forum does no good going forward. Hopefully this will be handled offline going forward. Lastly, I have nothing to do with Luhrs or either dealer.
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Old 12-21-2006, 05:49 AM
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Maybe 41 Luhrs is afraid that the boat will be reposessed if he brings the boat in for repairs.

Anyway, good luck
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Old 12-21-2006, 08:34 AM
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Wait a minute......i thought the 45 Rampage was the biggest POS!!
Oh thats right--the factory got involved and its now one of the best sportfishers in its class. Well heck, let luhrs take it back and then IT will be one of the best in its class. "She turned me into a newt.....I got better". Sorry, the winds been blowin' for too many days...
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