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Old 06-21-2007, 07:57 PM
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41 LUHRS - 6/20/2007 10:00 AM

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.41 LUHRS email from the Luhrs owners site is gone. Someone is feeling the pressure from the Luhrs company. I wonder how the new owners of this site will hold up? I'm pretty sure that if you are the sender or receiver of a letter or email you can make it public. Pressure is mounting from someone.
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Old 06-21-2007, 08:12 PM
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If Rick's boat was fished in tournaments by JYS before he bought it (A demo). Did JYS not have these dangerous healing problems when they fished the boat ?? It sounds like they are still fishing a 41 Luhrs if they have a 2006 one for sale? So is it of the same design too??

I also think when something is posted from a website to another it can bring up legal issues.... I am sure with law suits being filed JYS and Luhrs will never comment on this situation on a public forum...
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Old 06-21-2007, 08:31 PM
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I was boating up the river 1/2 mile from the luhrs plant today and saw 3 gentleman (appeared to be luhrs employees) heading out in a 41 luhrs. I had to laugh. I guess they may have been taking a modified hull out for a test drive. I hope they man up and do the right thing to take care of the people who purchased these problem boats. It would be a shame for them to let this continue and end up bankrupting the company and puttting good people out of work.
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Old 06-21-2007, 08:51 PM
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It would seem at this point the only "right thing" for Luhrs to do would be a total refund of the boats retail purchase price plus incurred expenses.

Because right now even if Luhrs could fix the hull, the huge loss these gentlemen will suffer on the depreciation is going to be awesome, we're talking hundreds of thousands here above and beyond the normal expected depreciation.

Luhrs - buy the boats back, chop them up, sell the engines, gennies and hardware on ebay and cut your losses while you can.

And 41 Luhrs, I see on another thread you had a 38 and 50 Topaz in your boating history, what the heck happened, sounds like you should have known better, ya must've been having an off day.

Good luck and keep at em !
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Old 06-21-2007, 09:33 PM
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Let me tell you I know that Luhrs is monitoring this site because right after Rick posted that he would be publishing the video from the sea trial he got a letter from the Luhrs attorney. The letter said that he did not have the approval from Roger Fatborough to put his picture out on the internet. Maybe he is scared that the camera makes him look slightly over weight. Anyway we all tried to do the research on this boat before we purchased them but the information was just not out there. Everyday I speak with new people who have never herd of this Luhrs problem, but they all will. I know you are all tried of us telling you about a website we are building but we truly are. We have not launched it because we were hoping Luhrs would step up and do the right thing but they did not do that. For as soon as we start this website Luhrs will not be in business very long. We already have billboards rented to advertise around every Luhrs dealer in the country as well as a few next to the factory. We are going to not only inform the boating public of what I feel is the most dangerous boat built but also the Luhrs employees of the lack of job security they have. Luhrs says that they are an employee owned company but after speaking with numerous past and present employees they have no idea what is going on. I do not even think that the two majority owners Warren and John Luhrs know how bad of a product the company produces. Right now I imagine the CEO of Luhrs Marine Group Bill Finney and CFO Brian Dingler are typing up their resumes.



As far as a lawsuit goes I have already gone that route and Rick is about to but there are already numerous lawsuits in process. Two of them are on 44 convertibles which have been going on for years now. However no one really knew about them until we started asking questions why there was a 44 sitting at the Luhrs repair facility for over a year named Marlin Luhr. We then found out that the owner was involved in a lawsuit with Luhrs. Luhrs is use to fighting lawsuits one on one which is why we are not going that route. As illustrated by posts from others on this site the problems with this company are not just with the 41. I especially like the guy who posted that when he was working at Luhrs they bondoed a boat back together. The fact of the matter is that the other boats they build are not very expensive and the guys who buy them might not have the resources to fight them and therefore they get away with murder and in one case that could of actually happened but I do not know for sure as I was not there but I did hear about the incident in Texas. In fact look at what they did to another 41 convertible owner. He was fishing in the Mid-Atlantic 500 last summer and was 10 miles offshore when his high water alarm went off. They ran down and saw tons of water in the bilge. They put the hammer down and made it in before they sank. Once they had the boat in the sling they were able to see that the rudders had dropped down and water was pouring into the boat. It was so high that the generator and engines were partial under water and it took out all of the pumps and wiring in the aft bilge. Luhrs had already fixed the rudders on this boat hull # 125 2 times as he already had the boat at the factory for 3 months of “repairs”. When this happen they told him to just fix the rudders the same way as before and that would get him through his tournament and then after the tournament Luhrs would send a crew to his boat to fix the problem correctly before he brought the boat back to Luhrs for a 3rd time. Luhrs never did send that crew to his boat they told him that it would be fine the way it was to make the trip from CT to FL. Well they were almost right because as he entered Jacksonville inlet the high water alarm went off again and again the boat almost sank. It was when he was at the factory that this owner started putting all the pieces together. For he thought it was only him having all these problems since Luhrs always seemed to be so shocked at his problems like they were mine. But when he was at the factory he saw my boat there and he and his surveyor took a look at it. They found all the same issues on both boats and the rudders were just about to drop away as they did on his boat. He immediately informed Luhrs of this problem. He spoke with and emailed both Mike Hankins, at the time the director of customer service and Brad Sanguinetti, at the time the customer service manager about the problem with my ruders. Well when he went back to the factory months later he saw that my boat was not there and he asked Both Brad Sanguinetti and Bobby Foster who is a service manager at the Luhrs repair facility if they had fixed Tom Logan’s rudders. They told him no and that Mike Hankins said that if the owner did not complain about a problem then there must not be a problem. We have been told that Mike also emailed others at Luhrs that they were only going to handle the rudder issue on a case by case basis. So after speaking with them, this owner takes his boat out on a sea trail with Brad from Luhrs, his captain, a captain from a Luhrs 41 open, a naval architect and a surveyor. Now Luhrs has had his boat for over 3 months and this is the third time he has brought it to them in FL. With Brad driving the boat it did nothing but heel over from side to side. After the sea trial the naval architect and the surveyor both said that the boat was not safe for its intended use and it was only for inter-coastal waterway use. After this sea trail they all hopped on a private plane and went to see a 41 open in FT Pierce. They left his captain behind to run the boat back to his marina since Luhrs said that it was all fixed even though right in front of them the naval architect and the surveyor both said that the boat was not safe for its intended use and it was only for inter-coastal waterway use. I bet you can all guess what happened when they saw the 41 open which has the new hull bottom that the new 41 convertible has. Yes they also said this boat was not safe for its intended use and it was only for inter-coastal waterway use. I know of 6 boats including mine which all have been determined to be unfit for intended use. Oh and I forgot the best part of the story with the other owners boat. When his captain got the boat to his marina the rudders were leaking again. So he called Luhrs up in the morning and if I remember correctly spoke with the CFO Brian Dingler and told him the whole story and also told him how Mike Hankins let my boat go without fixing the rudders. He told Luhrs that he was going to contact me and inform me the danger I was in of sinking. Can you believe that when this ownere called me the next day that Luhrs still had not contacted me? I was actually on the way to the boat with my family to head over to the Bahamas. Now picture the boat sinking with my family on it in the middle of the Gulf Stream. So now the last time Rick spoke with Roger Fatborough he said that he has been out on the same guy’s boat that I have been speaking about and that it rides great. I wonder why this boat has been sitting at the Luhrs repair facility for the last 3 months. I guess all the naval architects and surveyors are wrong. All of the boats are fine. I wonder why if there were no problems with the 44 and 41 which were both design by former Luhrs naval architect Rick Breitenstein that when you speak with him he blames the problems on the poor construction not the design. Rick Breitenstein is now working for Cabo and Hatteras designing boats. Based on the other boats he has designed I would make sure you check that he did not design the next boat you could be looking at with a Cabo or Hatteras name on it. If you are looking at a new Cabo or Hatteras contact him and make sure he has nothing to do with the boat. His email is rbreitenstein@hatterasyachts.com.


I also want to correct a statement I made regarding JAGS -- He has informed me he does no sell Luhrs Boats -- He said he a friend of the JYS guys. I am sorry for including JAGS in the same occupation as his buddies




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Old 06-21-2007, 10:35 PM
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As it has been said before, this is going to make an excellent case study of what not to do! No wait, I apologize this study already exists on a larger scale with the Ford Pinto and the three wheeler.
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Old 06-21-2007, 11:00 PM
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Lord,

Leave Three wheelers out of it.. You can't blame a product for moron owners (speaking of the trike thing... considering it's all I rode and I'm still here...)

I wish you guys the best.. I went through a similar situation with a 30K Cub Cadet compact utility tractor. I wasted most of my boatable season last summer dealing with that piece of garbage. It finally took the threats of lawsuits for a product that could have possibly killed me, and they bought it back, and pulled the rest from the market.

Fight the good fight!

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Old 06-21-2007, 11:21 PM
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Stinger you're right about the three wheelers. I survived them too. Last bit of advice for 41 & Sunshine tonight. After reading your gameplan on the billboards and whatnot I think you might have overlooked one avenue on getting the awareness out. Given your intentions you should spend some money with some search engines so that anytime someone looks up these boats this info comes up. Talk about bang for buck and it is easily done.
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Old 06-22-2007, 06:17 AM
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As this thread gets more and more interesting and as Luhrs starts feeling the impact from negative publicity I wonder how much longer the new owners of THT will let this thread live? It looks like one post was already pulled by Wiley. Will "The Hull Truth" continue to be the forum to allow these issues to be surfaced and discussed or will it become "politically correct" like so many others?

I feel that this thread embodies what the power of the internet should provide. Let's hope the new owners have the fortitude to fight for "the Hull Truth"!
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Old 06-22-2007, 07:35 AM
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Wow. All through this tread, I kept thinking lets not be too hard on Luhrs-mistakes do happen and they may not have the financial resources to buy back the boats. If the safety/hull issue was limited to 40 hulls, they don't deserve to be crucified. But now it's looking like they have a history of putting corporate profits ahead of customer safety and satisfaction. If this is true, I hope that they have their judgment day. Sad for the employees, but they are also part of it.

Regarding Wiley's deleting of the email, I think he did the right thing. I don't blame him for not wanting to get dragged into court over it. Even if it was "legally ok" to do so, we all know you can sue just about anyone for anything and proving your not liable can become very expensive.
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Old 06-22-2007, 07:46 AM
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40 hull at $700,000 per hull that's ----ugh-ugh a he!! of a lot of money. $28 million

It would take one heck of a boat building company to absorb that much loss. Either Luhrs is going to go belly up soon or they will go belly up after the trial.

Deleting the email, you got to draw the line some where.
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Old 06-22-2007, 08:24 AM
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twentynine - 6/22/2007 7:46 AM

40 hull at $700,000 per hull that's ----ugh-ugh a he!! of a lot of money. $28 million
Agreed, but that pricing includes alot of intangibles...luhrs profit, dealer mark-up, etc, etc, and there is probably alot salvageable from boats 1-40, like the diesels, interiors, hardtops, electronics, etc, etc... And I would like to believe that the naval architect and luhrs have some sort of professional liability insurance to make the whole thing potentially workable. Obviously I don't know these numbers, but based on the reports of how luhrs has acted so far, I seriously doubt they have worked up this scenario and considered replacing the boats, not that the owners would want replacement at this point.
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Old 06-22-2007, 08:27 AM
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There are 2used 41's sitting at the factory for months and i know for a fact that these owners bought new boats but they are not telling me what's up with there Luhr's boat. So i would safely bet that they were bought out by Luhrs.I will be seeing both the owners at the Montauk Marine Basin 37th Annual Shark Tag June 28, 29 & 30th,2007 where theywill be fishing on there new boats.
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Old 06-22-2007, 08:44 AM
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Out of curiosity I would like to see a video of the heeling issue. I understand the legality issue with employees of Luhrs on the boat but how bout a video of any 41 running to show the heeling effect?
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Old 06-22-2007, 09:26 AM
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LTeague - 6/22/2007 8:44 AMOut of curiosity I would like to see a video of the heeling issue. I understand the legality issue with employees of Luhrs on the boat but how bout a video of any 41 running to show the heeling effect?
The video i have is 617 Mb we are in the process of some how reducing the size to get it on you tube for you all to view
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41, do you a picture of your boat you can post?
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41, do you a picture of your boat you can post?
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Skiboat Dave - 6/22/2007 9:40 AM 41, do you a picture of your boat you can post?
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You can see photos on the link albums and go to 41 luhrs or

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/luhrsucks
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Old 06-22-2007, 09:50 AM
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Rick has a great video of the healing with Alan Gilgert - naval architect on board with him. I will be at my boat next week and will have video of the ride along with video of a smoke test I will be performing. Due to the fact my CO2 alarms were wired with 24 v not 12 they do not work. The salon has huge gaps that allow fumes/ CO2 to enter the salon. As you all know there are several deaths a year because of CO2. This was another reason my boat was judged unfit. I also have a recorded message left at my home phone after the fire on board on my sea trial from Luhrs repairs. On this tape Mike Hankins states he is happy "no one got hurt with this incident -- I appologize for this and we are working up the numbers on a deal to take back you boat" I have yet to get a offer --2.5 months later

Rick -- I know those individual had the boats purchased by Luhrs -- I was told this from the dealers that sold them the new boats. One owns a Ocean and the other a Cabo.
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Shouldn't it read "INSANITY"
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