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Old 04-22-2007, 11:43 PM
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Just found this on the tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ma2SNn19mM
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Old 04-23-2007, 08:05 AM
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That video makes me sick. I found this on the net.




Luhrs boats dont do it they are horrible from day one.
March 30, 2007

List of items replaced or repaired to date on 2006 luhrs 28 flybridge.
This boat has approx. 60 hrs on it. 90% of which were acquired during the cleaning process of item # 1.

*1) Approx. 150 gal. of diesel fuel spilled into the bilge on the FIRST DAY we took delivery of this boat due to the negligence of the manufacture to install proper plugs in fuel tank @ generator feed and return lines. This damage took three months to repair and clean, the smell made the boat totally unusable. This also stained the bilge and may have caused sever damage to the hull due to diesel absorbsion into the fiberglass. Toxic chemical spill.

2) Structural motor mounts have had to be replaced on the port engine due to sever rust and corrosion.

3) The drive shaft coupling was replaced on the port transmission due to severe rust and corrosion.

4) Several other electronic parts on the port motor and transmission have been replaced due to severe rust and corrosion.

5) Several gel coat repairs on decks, steps, etc...

6) Several fiberglass repairs in compartment areas, including the entire galley cabinets separated from the hull. This is also a structural bulkhead in this model.

*7) Cabin sole (floor) does not set properly on structural stringer of hull on port side. Dealer warranty man took a piece of non marine grade 1x4 strapping and used drywall screws to scab it on the side of the stringer. Looks horrid...

8) Found three 2" holes bored in stringers that were never gelcoated and sealed.

*9) Cock pit drains installed by warranty dept were put in the wrong place. The manufactures mold clearly shows location and mechanic did not want to crawl into space provided so he drilled new holes in the diamond non skid. Looks like a mistake. Horrible.

*10) Repair oil leak in starboard engine. As of this date it is leaking again and worse now.

*11) Oil is leaking from between transmission and engine on port engine. Mechanic states that both engines need to be removed to repair leaks properly.

12) Refrigerator door was separated completely . This was an original item from the delivery list that was never fixed. I fixed it myself.

13) Replace shore power breaker and interior GFI breakers.

14) Repair spongy steering @ upper helm. Still not operating @ 100%.

15) Screws are all loose on trim of hard top. Most will not tighten.

16) Cabin leaked at roof where tower sanctions bolted down. I removed all screws and sealed with marine sealer. No idea how long this leaked into the head liner??? Wiring damage ECT???

17) Raytheon electronics seem to have a short in them. The light flashes and dims while under way. This is an intermitting problem. The mechanic said it is due to a poor fit.

18) The bait tank leaked salt water onto the port engine causing severe rust and corrosion.

*19) The exhaust manifold on the port engine broke apart causing raw diesel exhaust, black smoke and oily soot to be blown though out the ENTIRE bilge and cabin area. This caused the halon fire extinguisher to be set off sending halon powder ( a dark grey chemical ) through out the ENTIRE bilge and cabin area as well. As this was happening the fire alarms were sounding and both engines shut down leaving me adrift in the channel with no power and what appeared to be a horrible fire coming from below decks. $190.00 tow bill and 2 months of down time to repair and replace the fire extinguisher and manifold.

*20) Number 19 left the boat looking like it had burned below decks so the dealer sent a marine detailer to clean the mess. 8 hours of cleaning using caustic bilge cleaners and a lot of scrubbing and the verdict... It wont come clean.

*21) The caustic bilge cleaners did succeed in removing the labels and the paint of most of the hardware like the fuel filter housings, water separators and all the other systems that were “cleaned”. Rust and corrosion on everything.

*22) Did I mention that the boat stinks again and gives you a sore throat and headache due to the chemicals of the halon??? The bilge cleaner???, diesel soot/exhaust, or is it still the diesel fuel spill??? No new boat smell here. EVER... $238,000.00 ya thats dollars!!

23) Both of the rudder posts bushing have been rebuilt due to “excessive” leaking. NEW BOAT???

24) Fresh water wash down and raw water wash down leak into bilge @ back of faucets.

25) Both props needed to be balanced. This was noted by the delivery captain and verified by mastery marine yanmar tech by doing a no load rpm test on engines. The props were finally fixed last week after 8 months of patronizing.

26) The structural bulkhead that separates the head from the main salon at starboard and forms the galley on the port side, has broken away from the hull @ the galley side. This appears to be a major structural problem.

This list is not a complete summary of all the repairs done or yet to be done on this boat. There are a lot of other small items not listed and or completed.

I paid $238,000.00 for this NEW boat. I am still waiting.

* I believe these items have severely diminished the value of this boat. The dealer was kind enough to offer me $110,000.00 for the boat. Yhey said thats all the boat is worth. How did they get the bank to loan me $238,000.00 for a boat only worth $110,000.00. Interesting. CAN ANY ONE SAY LAW SUIT. LUHRS WOULD ALSO LIKE ME TO FORGET ABOUT THE $21,600.00 I HAVE PAID OUT IN STORAGE FEES AND LOAN PAYMENTS SINCE THE FIRST DAY THE BOAT WAS DELIVERED TO ME WITH HOLES IN THE FUEL TANKS. THANK GOD IT IS NOT A GAS BOAT OR I WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED IN AN EXPLOSION WHEN THE FUEL SPILLED.


I further believe that due to the track record of ongoing problems with this boat and the fact that this boats intended use is to travel far out into the ocean on extended fishing trips, that it is not a save vessel for this intend purpose. It would be reckless of me to trust my families safety and lives to a vessel with such a history. Stranded 100 miles into the gulf of Mexico is not like being on the interstate with your car broke down. They make movies about these kind of nightmares. “I Shouldn’t Be Alive”.




Thanks very much for your support.
Terry LaBreck & Sam Mandarelli




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Old 04-23-2007, 09:48 AM
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Lurhs claims the problems are only on 41 ft boat hulls 1 through 17 and they are now on Hull 141. Are they the new Bayliner?
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Lurhs claims the problems are only on 41 ft boat hulls 1 through 17 and they are now on Hull 141. Are they the new Bayliner?
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:41 PM
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Unbelievable.

How can anyone not be supportive of guys like Lures41 when we continually read this type of feedback from Lures owners??(JAGS)?????

I don't care how underhanded he is, the message would not be out about these boats (as clearly) if not for him - You just can't argue that point JAGS. He has done a real service to anyone who was thinking about buying a Lures.
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Class Act, I am not arguing because I do not care. But I know facts that are not presented here. If those facts were known, this story would not be quite so good. 1 fact I will point out is that he has single handedly financially ruined anyone who owns a 41 Luhrs, whether it has problems or not, and severely reduced the value of the hundreds if not thousands of other Luhrs out there. Luhrs has made 1000's upon 1000's of boats over the years, some good and some bad. Hearing about a small percentage of boats with problems doesn't change that fact. Alot of happy Luhrs owners out there, I know some personally(not hearsay) and their boats are virtually worthless now regardless of how good they may be. 41 Luhrs has screwed himself so he gets what he caused. That is certainly OK if wants to screw himself, but it is not Ok that he screwed everyone who currently owns a Luhrs. I do not own a Luhrs so no skin off my nose. You see, 41 Luhrs will not admit to all the facts and efforts and/or offers that have come from Luhrs because he knows what those facts will do to his story.

How can anyone not be supportive of guys like Lures41 when we continually read this type of feedback from Lures owners??(JAGS)????? Well, make sure to get your facts straight. You may "continually read this type of feedback" because the same people keep saying it over and over. You have only heard from 2 or 3 owners. Not scores of them, not 100's...2 or 3 out of 1000's of Luhrs. That's it.If Ford made 3 bad cars out of 100,000, no one would say a word. On the other hand, I have read the comments of many Luhrs owners on this forum who like their boat. It seems many more like them than dislike them based on the positive comments on this forum. I have been on many Luhrs and although they are as imperfect as any boat, I had no problem fishing 60 miles offshore in any of them. Class Act, have you ever been on a Luhrs? Didn't think so. At least I have first hand knowledge. I am not going to argue whether they have problems or not because I never said they didn't have problems.

This thread started and ended with no point. Therefore, there is really nothing to discuss, I don't own a Luhrs so this doesn't affect me in any way. I will do what I should have done a while back and watch the internet lynching of Luhrs. Love to watch the bandwagon jumpers who have absolutely 0 knowledge of what is going on.
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Old 04-23-2007, 05:54 PM
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I really must be a friggin retard, I just traded my '03 30 open in for a 36, even AFTER reading this INCREDIBLE thread. And thru CLARK'S LANDING NO LESS!!!!!! Jags you have it absolutely correct. Bought my 30 new in 03, put over 900 hours on her with many of them at the Wilmington, Baltimore and Poorman's canyons. Have things broken on it? Sure, but inconsequential items. Fished a few times on a 93 29' open down in Florida last year, boat still ran and looked new. My feeling is the owner kept up on it and maintained her well. Dealt with Clark's for the past month, nothing but kudos for the way I was treated. Had the boat surveyed, all discrepancies (all minor in nature) the surveyors found were addressed and rectified without one bitch from the salesman. Brought the 36 home to Cape May this past weekend, boat ran great. Unlike you Jags, I do own another Luhrs but that's OK because when I need another boat, I'll probably buy another one.
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Old 04-23-2007, 06:08 PM
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Some people may see it another way. You cannot save all boat manufactures from themselves. It is a free market and Luhrs had chances to handle the situation early when the information found its way to THT. Luhrs put out a cheap youtube.com video for the Luhrs 41 in January. What a coincidence. Instead of standing behind their product they choose to put a cheap video on free media. Could that response be a reflection of their upper management thought process?
So if you do not like Luhrs 41, how do you account for Mr. Sunshines thread. No one has questioned his integrity. This may turn out to be a case study in damage control. For instance, other boat manufacturers may always look back to this incident and decide that the consumer considers his boat a little differently than that of a widget with a calculated after-manufacturing expense. Where luhrs and unfortunately, Luhrs sellers are going to suffer, the boat buying community as a whole is hopefully better off. Kinda like where Spock bites the bullitt for Capt. Kirk & Bones at the end of the first Star Trek movie. "The needs of the many outwiegh the needs of the few." You have to say it real slow like in the movie to appreciate it.
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Old 04-23-2007, 06:24 PM
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One thing about the value. LUHRS 41 and myself did not destroy the values of Luhrs Boats. Luhrs did !!! If they would have delt with these problems, they would have earned a reputation as a builder that took care of its customers. In the long run the money this would have cost them -- would have produced more than what was lost. Brecrew -- Good Luck with your 36. I never said all of the boat out of that factory were POS -- JUST THE 41's. The owners of the 41's are not happy. This is just the start of this mess. Luhrs --when they continued the production of these irregular hulled boats underestimated todays buyers. The did not realize these owners would find each other. Site like THT and others allow owners to communicate more than years past.
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With all due respect, I doubt Luhrs has made thousands of 41's. If I purchased a high ticket item like this and it had half of the problems mentioned and the response from the builder was as presented, I would be making the same stink. To put the Ford analogy in perspective, you need to be takling about a GT, not an Escort or Mustang.
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When Ford or GM make mistakes these lemon are taken back. Not given back to the customer --
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The million dollar question: Why is Luhrs apparently not fixing these boats?
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Mr Sunshine - 4/23/2007 8:05 AM

That video makes me sick. I found this on the net.




Luhrs boats dont do it they are horrible from day one.
March 30, 2007

List of items replaced or repaired to date on 2006 luhrs 28 flybridge.
This boat has approx. 60 hrs on it. 90% of which were acquired during the cleaning process of item # 1.

*1) Approx. 150 gal. of diesel fuel spilled into the bilge on the FIRST DAY we took delivery of this boat due to the negligence of the manufacture to install proper plugs in fuel tank @ generator feed and return lines. This damage took three months to repair and clean, the smell made the boat totally unusable. This also stained the bilge and may have caused sever damage to the hull due to diesel absorbsion into the fiberglass. Toxic chemical spill.

2) Structural motor mounts have had to be replaced on the port engine due to sever rust and corrosion.

3) The drive shaft coupling was replaced on the port transmission due to severe rust and corrosion.

4) Several other electronic parts on the port motor and transmission have been replaced due to severe rust and corrosion.

5) Several gel coat repairs on decks, steps, etc...

6) Several fiberglass repairs in compartment areas, including the entire galley cabinets separated from the hull. This is also a structural bulkhead in this model.

*7) Cabin sole (floor) does not set properly on structural stringer of hull on port side. Dealer warranty man took a piece of non marine grade 1x4 strapping and used drywall screws to scab it on the side of the stringer. Looks horrid...

8) Found three 2" holes bored in stringers that were never gelcoated and sealed.

*9) Cock pit drains installed by warranty dept were put in the wrong place. The manufactures mold clearly shows location and mechanic did not want to crawl into space provided so he drilled new holes in the diamond non skid. Looks like a mistake. Horrible.

*10) Repair oil leak in starboard engine. As of this date it is leaking again and worse now.

*11) Oil is leaking from between transmission and engine on port engine. Mechanic states that both engines need to be removed to repair leaks properly.

12) Refrigerator door was separated completely . This was an original item from the delivery list that was never fixed. I fixed it myself.

13) Replace shore power breaker and interior GFI breakers.

14) Repair spongy steering @ upper helm. Still not operating @ 100%.

15) Screws are all loose on trim of hard top. Most will not tighten.

16) Cabin leaked at roof where tower sanctions bolted down. I removed all screws and sealed with marine sealer. No idea how long this leaked into the head liner??? Wiring damage ECT???

17) Raytheon electronics seem to have a short in them. The light flashes and dims while under way. This is an intermitting problem. The mechanic said it is due to a poor fit.

18) The bait tank leaked salt water onto the port engine causing severe rust and corrosion.

*19) The exhaust manifold on the port engine broke apart causing raw diesel exhaust, black smoke and oily soot to be blown though out the ENTIRE bilge and cabin area. This caused the halon fire extinguisher to be set off sending halon powder ( a dark grey chemical ) through out the ENTIRE bilge and cabin area as well. As this was happening the fire alarms were sounding and both engines shut down leaving me adrift in the channel with no power and what appeared to be a horrible fire coming from below decks. $190.00 tow bill and 2 months of down time to repair and replace the fire extinguisher and manifold.

*20) Number 19 left the boat looking like it had burned below decks so the dealer sent a marine detailer to clean the mess. 8 hours of cleaning using caustic bilge cleaners and a lot of scrubbing and the verdict... It wont come clean.

*21) The caustic bilge cleaners did succeed in removing the labels and the paint of most of the hardware like the fuel filter housings, water separators and all the other systems that were “cleaned”. Rust and corrosion on everything.

*22) Did I mention that the boat stinks again and gives you a sore throat and headache due to the chemicals of the halon??? The bilge cleaner???, diesel soot/exhaust, or is it still the diesel fuel spill??? No new boat smell here. EVER... $238,000.00 ya thats dollars!!

23) Both of the rudder posts bushing have been rebuilt due to “excessive” leaking. NEW BOAT???

24) Fresh water wash down and raw water wash down leak into bilge @ back of faucets.

25) Both props needed to be balanced. This was noted by the delivery captain and verified by mastery marine yanmar tech by doing a no load rpm test on engines. The props were finally fixed last week after 8 months of patronizing.

26) The structural bulkhead that separates the head from the main salon at starboard and forms the galley on the port side, has broken away from the hull @ the galley side. This appears to be a major structural problem.

This list is not a complete summary of all the repairs done or yet to be done on this boat. There are a lot of other small items not listed and or completed.

I paid $238,000.00 for this NEW boat. I am still waiting.

* I believe these items have severely diminished the value of this boat. The dealer was kind enough to offer me $110,000.00 for the boat. Yhey said thats all the boat is worth. How did they get the bank to loan me $238,000.00 for a boat only worth $110,000.00. Interesting. CAN ANY ONE SAY LAW SUIT. LUHRS WOULD ALSO LIKE ME TO FORGET ABOUT THE $21,600.00 I HAVE PAID OUT IN STORAGE FEES AND LOAN PAYMENTS SINCE THE FIRST DAY THE BOAT WAS DELIVERED TO ME WITH HOLES IN THE FUEL TANKS. THANK GOD IT IS NOT A GAS BOAT OR I WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED IN AN EXPLOSION WHEN THE FUEL SPILLED.


I further believe that due to the track record of ongoing problems with this boat and the fact that this boats intended use is to travel far out into the ocean on extended fishing trips, that it is not a save vessel for this intend purpose. It would be reckless of me to trust my families safety and lives to a vessel with such a history. Stranded 100 miles into the gulf of Mexico is not like being on the interstate with your car broke down. They make movies about these kind of nightmares. “I Shouldn’t Be Alive”.




Thanks very much for your support.
Terry LaBreck & Sam Mandarelli




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Old 04-23-2007, 08:05 PM
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http://www.yachtsurvey.com/boatreviews/Luhrs_340_f.htm
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:39 PM
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Guess you missed this one: http://www.yachtsurvey.com/boatrevie...s_320_open.htm

and this one: http://www.yachtsurvey.com/boatrevie...rnament360.htm

both of which, from the same guy, give the Luhrs boats great reviews.

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This talk of just 1 or 2 bad boats is garbage. There are 39 boats produced with the dangerous hulls. Look on yacht world the boats for sale are all 05 models. Luhrs know about the minor issues of 1)leaking toilets 2) air conditions that don't work 3) leaking fuel tanks 4)water leaks --But the major safety problems with rudders and handling are the most important problem.

Hull #1 was purchased from Arthur Lee (Beep Beep 1) and quickly resold to a gentleman in Maryland named Bill Mc Crakren. If you know this man --please warn him of the dangerous boat he has purchased. If you are purchasing a Luhrs 41 -- watch out for "great deals" these boats have been purchased by the factory after sinking's, structural failures and other problems and are back on the market.

I will have a web site open by next week with several naval architect reports, pictures, phone messages from Luhrs employees left on my phone along with reports and pictures from at least 5 other boats. I will have information regarding Luhrs installing transmissions that were not the recommended transmissions for the QSM 11 engines that Luhrs placed in these boats to keep the speeds down because of the dangerous handling conditions. Luhrs has hired 2 naval architects to work on the handling of the 41 model. If there were no problems-- Why have hull modifications done on several boats to attempt to solve these problems ??

Capt Neil Haynes has just completed a survey on a boat in South Carolina he writes "We took this vessel out for a sea trial past the buoy string out for the Charleston Harbor entrance. Sea state was one to two feet with little or no wind. We were unable to trim this vessel at normal cruising speed and experienced sudden and unexpected heeling approximately 8* with difficulty recovering. The trim tabs were fully operational, and there was no problem with power assist steering .Undersigned has been in the survey business for twenty-seven years, and this is the first vessel of this type that I have been unable to trim and keep on a steady course. I held a U.S.C.G 100 ton license for twenty five years... This vessel would not keep a steady course and the professional Capt.,Heath Hackett, was unable to control our course or heel for any extended period of time."

There will be much more on this boat coming

Just a couple bad boats my a$$


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JAGSARE1 - 4/23/2007 5:27 PM

Class Act, I am not arguing because I do not care. But I know facts that are not presented here. If those facts were known, this story would not be quite so good. 1 fact I will point out is that he has single handedly financially ruined anyone who owns a 41 Luhrs, whether it has problems or not, and severely reduced the value of the hundreds if not thousands of other Luhrs out there. Luhrs has made 1000's upon 1000's of boats over the years, some good and some bad. Hearing about a small percentage of boats with problems doesn't change that fact. Alot of happy Luhrs owners out there, I know some personally(not hearsay) and their boats are virtually worthless now regardless of how good they may be. 41 Luhrs has screwed himself so he gets what he caused. That is certainly OK if wants to screw himself, but it is not Ok that he screwed everyone who currently owns a Luhrs. I do not own a Luhrs so no skin off my nose. You see, 41 Luhrs will not admit to all the facts and efforts and/or offers that have come from Luhrs because he knows what those facts will do to his story.

How can anyone not be supportive of guys like Lures41 when we continually read this type of feedback from Lures owners??(JAGS)????? Well, make sure to get your facts straight. You may "continually read this type of feedback" because the same people keep saying it over and over. You have only heard from 2 or 3 owners. Not scores of them, not 100's...2 or 3 out of 1000's of Luhrs. That's it.If Ford made 3 bad cars out of 100,000, no one would say a word. On the other hand, I have read the comments of many Luhrs owners on this forum who like their boat. It seems many more like them than dislike them based on the positive comments on this forum. I have been on many Luhrs and although they are as imperfect as any boat, I had no problem fishing 60 miles offshore in any of them. Class Act, have you ever been on a Luhrs? Didn't think so. At least I have first hand knowledge. I am not going to argue whether they have problems or not because I never said they didn't have problems.

This thread started and ended with no point. Therefore, there is really nothing to discuss, I don't own a Luhrs so this doesn't affect me in any way. I will do what I should have done a while back and watch the internet lynching of Luhrs. Love to watch the bandwagon jumpers who have absolutely 0 knowledge of what is going on.
JAGS, I apologize if my post came off as personal toward you - you seemed to take it this way and so I guess it did. It was not intentional, but after reading your posts on this thread, it just seemed you had some sort of vested interest and were defending construction and customer service that is defensless. Maybe it's your friends that own Luhrs, and I guess I can understand that you would want to come to their defense (maybe this is how you get the inside information that nobody else knows - through your friends).

With this said, I still believe this entire thread has been helpful to the consumer. As Mr Sunshine said, it is Luhrs themselves that hurt the value of their boats (yes ALL of their boats). They clearly have more than 2-3 problem boats. Doesn't that post on the 28 flybridge create a concern to you - even a little?

I only hope you don't heed your own comments and go out and purchase a Luhrs. My bet is that you won't...
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UPDATE ON LUHRS


Luhrs is looking for a new a new warranty manager. Looks like he has taken the fall for the defective product being produced. Very interesting move Luhrs -- Good Luck with your new manager.
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Mr.Sunshine, Did you get that web site up you spoke about last?
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It will be coming very soon. We are working on the site to make sure we have all items covered. There will be several naval architect reports, phone message recordings, pictures, etc. We will have lots of information to any potential and current buyers. Luhrs knows exactly what it has sold to people. Luhrs now has replaced both the Warranty Manager and Customer Service Manager -- This story will only get larger !!! Must be a hard job -- when the factory has built these lemons.
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