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Old 04-29-2020, 07:54 AM
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Hey guys!

So Iím trying to buy my very first boat! Iím 24 for reference so budget is very important. I found what looks like a great deal! Itís a 2000 185 scout sportsfish with a 130 Yamaha motor (that they claim has low hours) and 2 Bimini tops and trailer for $3000.

Problem is they said both batteries are dead. Iím still learning about boats but know itís important to see it turn over before buying. I was thinking I could just buy a new marine battery and try it, but the store said it couldnít be returned once installed.

I was thinking I could use my car battery or jump it to just get it to turn over before buying.

What do you think? Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated. Weíre going to see it today at 6:30.

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Joy
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Car battery fine. Be nice to run motor? Drive boat?
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Do you think thatís common for someone to let someone to do? They are only asking 3, Iím new to this world so Iím not sure...
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Originally Posted by Joy664 View Post
Hey guys!

So I’m trying to buy my very first boat! I’m 24 for reference so budget is very important. I found what looks like a great deal! It’s a 2000 185 scout sportsfish with a 130 Yamaha motor (that they claim has low hours) and 2 Bimini tops and trailer for $3000.

Problem is they said both batteries are dead. I’m still learning about boats but know it’s important to see it turn over before buying. I was thinking I could just buy a new marine battery and try it, but the store said it couldn’t be returned once installed.

I was thinking I could use my car battery or jump it to just get it to turn over before buying.

What do you think? Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated. We’re going to see it today at 6:30.

Thanks
Joy
You should be able to turn it over with a car battery. You could then make a contingent offer based on a satisfactory marine survey ($500) and a sea trial. Do not buy any boat without a sea trial. Don't buy without a marine survey unless you are willing to have wasted your $3k on a boat you may have to scrap. Having a mechanic look at the motor is also a good idea.

See how quickly boating becomes expensive? It is worth it, though!
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$3K sounds awlful cheap...More than likely there is a reason!!
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Originally Posted by DrDanH View Post
You should be able to turn it over with a car battery. You could then make a contingent offer based on a satisfactory marine survey ($500) and a sea trial. Do not buy any boat without a sea trial. Don't buy without a marine survey unless you are willing to have wasted your $3k on a boat you may have to scrap. Having a mechanic look at the motor is also a good idea. [See how quickly boating becomes expensive? It is worth it, though!]

Thats a great idea! I had not thought about that! Thanks I will definitely bring that up!
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Originally Posted by Lone Ranger View Post
$3K sounds awlful cheap...More than likely there is a reason!!
Haha yaaaa itís someone local and they claim they just want to get it out of their driveway... you never know
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Originally Posted by Joy664 View Post
Do you think that’s common for someone to let someone to do?
Absolutely, no different than test driving a used car, or better yet, getting a mechanical inspection. That $3K investment could double if a serious engine problem surfaces.

Does the owner have service records? A lot can be told by the condition of the boat. If it's in good condition and everything works, that's a good start. If things are inoperative, it shows that the owner wasn't on top of maintenance, which extends to other things, like engine maintenance. Sometimes the small things paint a bigger picture. Agree on a price, offer a refundable deposit based on a sea trial, and go from there. Better yet, it might be worth having a Yamaha mechanic look at the engine for a couple hundred bucks.
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Marine surveyors

https://www.marinesurvey.org/u-s-states/

From this site, I found and hired Frank Lanier in Virginia. His survey was comprehensive and very helpful in making the decision to buy my McKee Craft. (No affiliation, BTW)

Good luck!
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Don't drain the bank account buying it, most likely you will have to put money into it. Create a basic list of expenses. I'll start it for you.

Two Batteries-$250
Trailer Parts
Change Engine Oil and Filter
Lower Unit Service
Change Fuel Filters
Clean old fuel out of tank
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Originally Posted by Commocean View Post
Absolutely, no different than test driving a used car, or better yet, getting a mechanical inspection. That $3K investment could double if a serious engine problem surfaces.

Does the owner have service records? A lot can be told by the condition of the boat. If it's in good condition and everything works, that's a good start. If things are inoperative, it shows that the owner wasn't on top of maintenance, which extends to other things, like engine maintenance. Sometimes the small things paint a bigger picture. Agree on a price, offer a refundable deposit based on a sea trial, and go from there. Better yet, it might be worth having a Yamaha mechanic look at the engine for a couple hundred bucks.
Thanks! Wow that makes a lot of sense! I think we will definitely try to go that route, yeah I would absolutely hate to waste three grand or have to put a lot of money into it. Especially if there was a serious problem with the engine you are definitely right!
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Originally Posted by Joy664 View Post
Hey guys!

So Iím trying to buy my very first boat! Iím 24 for reference so budget is very important. I found what looks like a great deal! Itís a 2000 185 scout sportsfish with a 130 Yamaha motor (that they claim has low hours) and 2 Bimini tops and trailer for $3000.

Problem is they said both batteries are dead. Iím still learning about boats but know itís important to see it turn over before buying. I was thinking I could just buy a new marine battery and try it, but the store said it couldnít be returned once installed.

I was thinking I could use my car battery or jump it to just get it to turn over before buying.

What do you think? Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated. Weíre going to see it today at 6:30.

Thanks
Joy
first thought is, if they just want it out of there way, why not replace at least 1 battery even with a used battery on the cheap just so it will run. it will increase/speed up selling it. that makes me suspect! it could be that they know there are problems or they may have no clue of what they are doing. hard to say? if they are not willing to put a battery in it so you can fire it up, then id offer 1/2 price. good chance you could make out like a bandit and use that saved money for items/repairs for the boat.
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Bring a friend along who has experience with boats and trailers.

I I bought mine for 4500 years ago, and promptly dumped 2k in it with trailer repairs and a full re-wire. I did all the work, or it would have cost double.

At at the minimum you will want to take it for a test drive. The motor could be shot, and then what??
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Ya gotta get it surveyed... Not fun trailering to the ramp and then watching it take on water. Friends all watching, cooler of beers and sandwiches, sun block, hats and flip flops.... and then disappointment . Seen it happen before... a real bummer.
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dont waste your money on a 3k boat. Ive been there done that. Either save up a bit more or get a loan for something decent.

This will probably cause a lot of frustration and not make a good first impression on boating. Saftey alone its not worth it
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Originally Posted by H20Rat View Post
Ya gotta get it surveyed... Not fun trailering to the ramp and then watching it take on water. Friends all watching, cooler of beers and sandwiches, sun block, hats and flip flops.... and then disappointment . Seen it happen before... a real bummer.
for a 3k boat, id find someone to take along that knows boats and buy them a 12 pack! if it were a 300k boat then yes a survey!
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Originally Posted by Joy664 View Post
Hey guys!

So Iím trying to buy my very first boat! Iím 24 for reference so budget is very important. I found what looks like a great deal! Itís a 2000 185 scout sportsfish with a 130 Yamaha motor (that they claim has low hours) and 2 Bimini tops and trailer for $3000.

Problem is they said both batteries are dead. Iím still learning about boats but know itís important to see it turn over before buying. I was thinking I could just buy a new marine battery and try it, but the store said it couldnít be returned once installed.

I was thinking I could use my car battery or jump it to just get it to turn over before buying.

What do you think? Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated. Weíre going to see it today at 6:30.

Thanks
Joy
It would be best to have a seasoned boater look at this with you. It may cost you a cup of coffee or even a beer, depending on the level of experience. 3k is really a low price, "don't fall in love with it until it's yours".
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Keep all of this in mind: itís a 20yr old boat. The motor is likely original and is carburetored. If it sat for any time period, the carbs will likely need to be rebuilt.
The fuel tank is 20 years old and may need to be replaced.
The trailer will almost certainly need work done to it and/or replaced.

So, the 3k price, keep in mind that might be for the hull only.

If if I were you;
i would bring along a buddy or mechanic with a compression gauge, and a portable gas tank to hook the motor to. (The boat fuel tank may have old or bad gas in it)

this is way you know if motor has good compression and is worth anything.

You our very well could have an operational boat for a good price! Or, you might have a money pit that will cost you thousands to get up and running.
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The first boat that I bought cranked right up on the water hose. The next day, I loaded up, went to the ramp and launched it. The steering was corroded solid, so no boat ride that day. I would highly recommend that you take a ride before you buy it. The seller should be willing to buy a battery, or two, in order to even have a chance of selling his boat.
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Originally Posted by Joy664 View Post
Hey guys!

So Iím trying to buy my very first boat! Iím 24 for reference so budget is very important. I found what looks like a great deal! Itís a 2000 185 scout sportsfish with a 130 Yamaha motor (that they claim has low hours) and 2 Bimini tops and trailer for $3000.

Problem is they said both batteries are dead. Iím still learning about boats but know itís important to see it turn over before buying. I was thinking I could just buy a new marine battery and try it, but the store said it couldnít be returned once installed.

I was thinking I could use my car battery or jump it to just get it to turn over before buying.

What do you think? Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated. Weíre going to see it today at 6:30.

Thanks
Joy
Personally for a $3000 boat I would not spend for a survey, but that is just me. I would try to bring someone that has a boat or is mechanically inclined to look it over. At bare minimum you need to get the motor started and running. Check out steering, bilge pump, etc.. Would be great if you can test on the water, but if everything seems to work and look good you are probably fine at that price. Just be prepared you WILL end up spending money to repair or replace something. If not right now, it will be soon. My $5000 bargain boat needed water pump and impeller before I even hit the water. Was still a bargain at $5550, but still added expense after buying.

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