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Old 03-26-2020, 09:34 PM
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I watch a lot of these custom builds, that go on for many months, and I am always amazed at the time it takes. Let me say, that I am envious of every one of them, so this is not a slam, and I didn't want to ask it on anyone's particular build. But by comparison, how how long does it take to build a production boat, that has options choices, but not so much one off customization. Say a Tiara 43LS.
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It would be nice to be able to mount the sort of enterprise in the 2 examples below, but in the medical fields, to get us out of our current situation.

San Francisco Bay Area shipbuilders produced almost 45 percent of all the cargo shipping tonnage and 20 percent of warship tonnage built in the entire country during World War II. The war lasted 1,365 days. In that span of time Bay Area shipyards built 1,400 vessels--a ship a day, on average.

The Empire State Building took only one year and 45 days to build, or more than seven million man-hours.
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Are you referring to guys building/rebuilding their own boats, or a for profit company custom vs production builder?
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Bear in mind there's a difference between length of time to build and man hours spent on a boat.
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Somethings can be accelerated, some cant. "You cant put nine women in a room and have a baby in a month". That said, yes, with enough manpower, some of these builds for sure could be accelerated. However, the availability of craftsman today, vs that of the 1940's is vastly different. The US was an industrial economy, we made things. Now we code things, and make a little bit of stuff (as a relative % of GDP).
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The amount oh hours it takes to build z custom sport fish is staggering. Bayliss used to list on their website the amount of hours it took to build a boat. I believe when they built the 90' Singularis it took something like 90,000 man hours to build.

Also, there is a business side to boat building. How big do you want to build a business on consumer discretionary spending? How much debt to you want to incur to ramp up production for a level of demand that could be gone tomorrow. Current situation case in point.
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The Liberty Ships were designed expressly so they could be cranked out at that accelerated pace. As such, the initial results were not good. Furthermore, the ships were not built to last. There is a great difference in the quality that today's consumer demands and that of a large mainly square bulk tanker of 80 years ago. We might not make them like we used to, and thank goodness for that.

"The failure of many of the World War II Liberty ships is a well-known and dramatic example of the brittle fracture of steel that was thought to be ductile. Some of the early ships experienced structural damage when cracks developed in their decks and hulls. Three of them catastrophically split in half when cracks formed, grew to critical lengths, and then rapidly propagated completely around the ships’ girths."

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Viking employs about 1000 workers (+/-) when times are good. Does Bayliss have 100 employees? Don't know. I know Jersey Cape employs less than 100. A build at that shop takes about 12-18 months. All about manpower, and whether you want the headache. As a business owner myself, I prefer the Bayliss model. We do just fine and I never have had to lay off an employee in over 30 years. Even in these times.
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Our boat was just a regular build based on off-the-shelf options (Scout 215 XSF) and it took about two months to build - not surprising that it would take over a year to build a custom boat at a small shop.
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Look at Freeman. They have a multi year wait list to build a boat. People were talking 3 to 4 years before you hit a mold. Is there wait list going top shrink through this, most likely, but I bet they don't slow down on the number of boats actually built during the year. Had they ramped up production, gotten bigger buildings, more equipment, more employees and were down to a short a wait list they would be losing production. With a multi year wait list they probably keep building boats and never skip a beat and by the time this is over and the economy is better that wait list will be back out to where it is. High volume on demand and stocking builders will take a hit and most likely have layoffs and other disruptions.
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Whaler can knock most boats out in 3-5 days, chopper gun, foam inject, attach hardware, voila it's done.
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Originally Posted by Dan_F View Post
Our boat was just a regular build based on off-the-shelf options (Scout 215 XSF) and it took about two months to build - not surprising that it would take over a year to build a custom boat at a small shop.
Was that actual production time, or order to delivery time?
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It took me a little over 2 years to build our 25' Tolman Jumbo. Another builder did one in 90 days.


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Originally Posted by glacierbaze View Post
Was that actual production time, or order to delivery time?
From start of build to delivery, we ordered it a couple months prior to the build starting.
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When it was in full operation, DESCO in St. Augustine was putting out sRhino boat every couple of days off the assembly line.

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