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Old 02-08-2020, 09:31 AM
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Default What say you about this situation where small boat meets bigger boat wake?

This happened at the wheel ditch in Islamorada. Should the bigger boat risked coming off plane and hitting bottom?

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02-08-2020, 09:44 AM
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IMO, only thing that was wrong in that video was the driver of the small boat not knowing how to control his boat and bitching about others. Those were not large CC's he was passing, they looked like 21-25'ish foot boats to me. Instead of complaining about the other boats, why not just adjust your speed. slow down and take the wakes at a speed that is safe for your boat, rather than risking going balls out and tossing your GF/wife about in the bow. I have a 26' boat and I have to adjust my speed according to the size and speed of approaching boats in the channel....it's called being vigilant and exercising self preservation.
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Yes the big boat should have slowed. I wonder if the little boat would have better off atleast slowing down some
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Looks like that’s just one of the risks you take by running that channel? Little boat guy could have slowed, and bobbed-thru the wake just as well as expecting the bigger boat to slow. Yes, the other guy is responsible for his wake, but all operators have a level of self-responsibility as well. I, for one, am not going to put my well-being into assuming these other guy, who I’ve never met, has my best interest in mind.
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IMO, only thing that was wrong in that video was the driver of the small boat not knowing how to control his boat and bitching about others. Those were not large CC's he was passing, they looked like 21-25'ish foot boats to me. Instead of complaining about the other boats, why not just adjust your speed. slow down and take the wakes at a speed that is safe for your boat, rather than risking going balls out and tossing your GF/wife about in the bow. I have a 26' boat and I have to adjust my speed according to the size and speed of approaching boats in the channel....it's called being vigilant and exercising self preservation.
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gonna need a bigger boat.
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The situation was so dire that in both cases, the operator of the small boat decided his best course of action was to floor it before hitting the oncoming wake?

That channel looks a bit ridiculous for any sort of passing, but short of the oncoming boats slowing to idle I'm not sure what would have improved the outcome.
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Old 02-08-2020, 09:49 AM
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I'm glad to know this ended safely. Am I shocked? Nope. The fact that you held it and kept it out of the mangroves is a Blessing. What craft is that you were in? I live on the water in a no-wake zone that is frequented by manatees and paddle boarders...people even swim in the channel...(bull sharks..no thanks.) We occasionally have people on plane blow by and there's is no outlet. Like I said...nothing surprises me. These people drive their vehicles the same way. Without regard and with huge egos.
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I also don't necessarily agree with his choice to throttle up, that was just reducing the amount of reaction time and increasing the force of any impacts. I would've throttled back and trimmed up to bring the bow up. Not sure why he thought if he slowed down he would've ended up in the mangrove roots, he was closer to doing that after hitting the wake at an angle and ended up cutting across to the left. If that other boat were following much closer they would've hit head-on. Just some bad decisions all around, IMO.
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Why would you see the other boat coming and decide the best option is to punch it?
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Originally Posted by Sundayknight View Post
Why would you see the other boat coming and decide the best option is to punch it?
Inexperience.
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Sure boats are responsible for their wakes but a Captain is responsible for his crew. If a large wake is coming you just don’t hit it hard at high speed and say he should have slowed down. If the little boat went to idle speed there would be no problem at all. Bob over the wake then just go. I do it all the time without thought when I’m in a little boat
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If he was moving at hull speed he'd have bobbed through those wakes without a care in the world.

When I am taking my boat, which I consider a small boat, barely bigger than the "big" boats he encountered, into a narrow channel or big river around shipping traffic or big tugs hauling huge loads, I can't always run it at speed, because there are six or eight foot wakes coming off some of these things.

I don't demand that they change their operations so I can stay on plane. Looks like this guy thought it was fine to go through the channel at speed. Why is it fine for him but not fine for a couple of small centre consoles?

If you run a tiny little micro-skiff, you may not be able to keep it pinned whenever you feel like it. If you can't handle the water in the place you're going, don't go there. Don't put it on everyone else to make sure their boats don't make waves. What if he passes a kayaker who is bothered by his wake? Is he now the bad guy and should have known not to be there in case someone who couldn't handle his wake happened to be there?

If it was a no-wake zone or had a speed limit, that would be different. But he's ripping through there and seems to think that's fine. If he hasn't got time to react to conditions that could reasonably occur, HE is going too fast.
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We run these channels as do plenty of others in big boats. If I see someone in front of us I come to a no wake speed immediately. It's just the safest thing to do for everyone. There are plenty of asshole boat operators in South Florida. Add alcohol to the mix and it makes it even worse. Both of you should have slowed down until you passed one another. The cut down from Robbies is my favorite but you just have to be careful and smart at the same time when running it. Someone could easily get seriously hurt or killed in an instant in the mangrove cuts.
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wouldn't there have been a larger wake if the larger boat came off of plane?
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So he's complaining that the other boats didn't slow down as we clearly see him apply full throttle? The other boats have just as much right to blast through there as the cry baby and his wife do.
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Originally Posted by cfauvel View Post
wouldn't there have been a larger wake if the larger boat came off of plane?
Not if he came to a no wake speed which is the most reasonable thing to do in that situation. If he just slowed down enough to drag his ass then yes it would have been even worse. I get it that sometimes in those areas you meet someone coming from around a corner and there isn't much time at all to make a decision. I still find it best to pull back to an idle speed unless you are so far over that you will ground by coming off plane. That's what makes these cuts so dangerous. Very few people are going to be able to process all the possibilities in a couple seconds and make the best choice let alone two boaters coming at one another in a super shallow and narrow cut.
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I watched the video. What’s the problem?
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I also don't necessarily agree with his choice to throttle up, that was just reducing the amount of reaction time and increasing the force of any impacts. I would've throttled back and trimmed up to bring the nose up. Not sure why he thought if he slowed down he would've ended up in the mangrove roots, he was closer to doing that after hitting the wake at an angle and ended up cutting across to the left. If that other boat were following much closer they would've hit head-on. Just some bad decisions all around, IMO.

these to rookies aren’t experienced enough to run a boat in Venice Louisiana. Either one of these jokers try that crap in the River, best case they are swimming for the bank.
im not sure they would make it out the jump..... they both need to learn throttle control. And trimming.

Ive seen bass boats try that crap with crew boat wakes and have all their stuff washed off their deck.
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100% Small boat at fault, should have slowed to a safe speed. The other 25 footers where not going that fast and would have thrown a bigger wake if they tried to come off plane at that distance.
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Dumb ass hits a wake in a little boat with throttle pinned and then complains. Geez. Back it off if you want a gentle ride.

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