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Old 12-12-2019, 07:20 AM
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Default UCF Students Create Fastest, Lightest Marine Engine 600HP/661#

Pretty cool:

https://www.ucf.edu/news/from-a-farm-to-boeing/


ORLANDO, Fla. — A UCF mechanical engineering student designed the first four-stroke outboard marine engine with turbopower.
  • Students create 1st four-stroke outboard marine engine with turbopower
  • Honda Motors Co. provided the teams with motor parts, a test center
  • Estimated to produce more than 600 horsepower; weighs 661 pounds
Dale Wagner, 27, is a UCF senior. He grew up on a citrus farm where he spent hours repairing tractors. He also spent restless years with the hopes to build the engine no one could create.

Wagner made it his senior design project.

With junkyard scraps, he and a team of seven other UCF students worked to create his dream engine.

He said as soon as they almost cracked the code, they ran out of money.

Wagner decided to cold-call Honda Motors Co. and explained how his design would change the way people think of marine technology.

Honda Motors Co. agreed. They provided him and his team access to motor parts, a 24-foot Robalo boat, and a Honda Motors test center.

Within a few months, they did it. They created the first four-stroke outboard marine engine with turbopower. It's estimated to produce more than 600 horsepower while only weighing 661 pounds.

The fastest outboard engine on the market produces 627 horsepower but weighs twice as much.

After graduation on Saturday, Dec. 14, Wagner will begin his new job at Boeing for its aerospace team and work on a spacecraft that can exit and enter space daily.

His team will become the next generation of helicopter engineers and turbine-engine designers. ​

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12-12-2019, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by alloyboy View Post
Adding a turbine driven super charger to an outboard motor is hardly earth breaking news. I seem to recall this having been done before by some backyardigan wannabe design anganeer.

A senior at only the age of 27? Pretty impressive.

I see a future in Boeing with him helping to redesigning the 737 Max.
Not all people go the traditional route and go to University right after school. I was a senior at 30. It is a win for Boeing hiring him. Im sure that he has twice as much life experience than the traditional right out of Uni Hire they are used to.
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Awesome young man right there.
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wonder if honda acquired the IP

there is probably a reason outboard manufacturers havent added turbos...
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I've always wanted to see that done though it comes with knowing that in the back of my mind that a turbo'd engine of any kind wont last as long as the typical naturally aspirated engines. More compression=more wear over time. Imagine throwing a turbo on those big yamahas that are known for making oil via blow-by around the rings. You're really gonna make some oil now lol
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Originally Posted by mystery View Post
wonder if honda acquired the IP
Anything you create at the school belongs to the school.
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Originally Posted by Sproly View Post
I've always wanted to see that done though it comes with knowing that in the back of my mind that a turbo'd engine of any kind wont last as long as the typical naturally aspirated engines. More compression=more wear over time. Imagine throwing a turbo on those big yamahas that are known for making oil via blow-by around the rings. You're really gonna make some oil now lol
I was thinking that the higher combustion chamber pressures would help to seat the rings quicker and mitigate making oil. Motor should also run hotter which can help to flash off any gasoline getting into the oil.
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Originally Posted by Sproly View Post
I've always wanted to see that done though it comes with knowing that in the back of my mind that a turbo'd engine of any kind wont last as long as the typical naturally aspirated engines. More compression=more wear over time. Imagine throwing a turbo on those big yamahas that are known for making oil via blow-by around the rings. You're really gonna make some oil now lol
My car has a 5 liter engine producing 575 hp. Not so long ago that was unthinkable for a production car. Technology marches on. Good for them!!!
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Adding a turbine driven super charger to an outboard motor is hardly earth breaking news. I seem to recall this having been done before by some backyardigan wannabe design anganeer.

A senior at only the age of 27? Pretty impressive.

I see a future in Boeing with him helping to redesigning the 737 Max.
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This is great. Turbos are added to all sorts of engines, greatly increasing power and efficiency. Any base model 150 or so, add 40 lbs of hardware, tune the ECM and bam, easy peasy 200-250 hp while under 500 lbs. Another one is Nizpro and their superchargers, making crazy power but much less efficient.
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Originally Posted by alloyboy View Post
Adding a turbine driven super charger to an outboard motor is hardly earth breaking news. I seem to recall this having been done before by some backyardigan wannabe design anganeer.

A senior at only the age of 27? Pretty impressive.

I see a future in Boeing with him helping to redesigning the 737 Max.
Turbo not supercharger.
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Originally Posted by Sproly View Post
I've always wanted to see that done though it comes with knowing that in the back of my mind that a turbo'd engine of any kind wont last as long as the typical naturally aspirated engines. More compression=more wear over time. Imagine throwing a turbo on those big yamahas that are known for making oil via blow-by around the rings. You're really gonna make some oil now lol
wear on the LU / gears too
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Originally Posted by alloyboy View Post
Adding a turbine driven super charger to an outboard motor is hardly earth breaking news. I seem to recall this having been done before by some backyardigan wannabe design anganeer.

A senior at only the age of 27? Pretty impressive.

I see a future in Boeing with him helping to redesigning the 737 Max.
Not all people go the traditional route and go to University right after school. I was a senior at 30. It is a win for Boeing hiring him. Im sure that he has twice as much life experience than the traditional right out of Uni Hire they are used to.
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Originally Posted by alloyboy View Post
Adding a turbine driven super charger to an outboard motor is hardly earth breaking news. I seem to recall this having been done before by some backyardigan wannabe design anganeer.

A senior at only the age of 27? Pretty impressive.

I see a future in Boeing with him helping to redesigning the 737 Max.
There’s always one jerk on a thread here. Gonna ask for wifey pics too?
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Originally Posted by kurttruk View Post
Not all people go the traditional route and go to University right after school. I was a senior at 30. It is a win for Boeing hiring him. Im sure that he has twice as much life experience than the traditional right out of Uni Hire they are used to.
This^^^ I didn't start back to school until I was 25 and worked to pay my way through college. When I got out, I had life and work experience. I was definitely a better employee than I would have been at 23.
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Originally Posted by lurker25 View Post
Turbo not supercharger.
Any forced air induction is considered 'supercharged'.

If you do it mechanically or with a turbine, the result is the same.

Picking Nits.
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Originally Posted by dave8311 View Post
Any forced air induction is considered 'supercharged'.

If you do it mechanically or with a turbine, the result is the same.

Picking Nits.
There is a clear difference and they both have their own advantages and disadvantages.
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Originally Posted by dave8311 View Post
Any forced air induction is considered 'supercharged'.

If you do it mechanically or with a turbine, the result is the same.

Picking Nits.
exhaust driven turbo vs belt driven supercharger.....the RESULTS are NOT the same. Very distinct powerbands.
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Originally Posted by Sproly View Post
... it comes with knowing that in the back of my mind that a turbo'd engine of any kind wont last as long as the typical naturally aspirated engines.
I know, right? That's why all those turbocharged over the road trucks are only getting 1,000,000 miles between rebuilds.
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I'd imagine the guy could probably build trips for for the price of one seven marine too.
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Originally Posted by Sangster View Post
exhaust driven turbo vs belt driven supercharger.....the RESULTS are NOT the same. Very distinct powerbands.
Never said the performance or efficiency results were the same.

The term SUPERCHARGED encompasses all forced induction.

Yes, there are super chargers and turbo chargers, but the result is supercharged air induction.

Again, picking nits.

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