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Old 12-01-2019, 06:13 AM
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Default Pioneer 202 Sportfish: Yamaha vs. Suzuki

I have decided on purchasing a new Pioneer 202 Sportfish and now would like opinions on the options available for powering it.

my choices are:

Yamaha F150 XB
Suzuki DF140TXW
Suzuki DF150TXW
Suzuki DF175TLW

I have always been a big fan of Yamaha outboards and that is my initial choice. I am not familiar at all with Suzuki, but with the sacrifice of only 10 horsepower and saving over $4,000.00 - I am tempted to go with the Suzuki DF140TXW.

I know the common response is - “Go big or go home”, but the the price differential is significantly more favorable to my financial situation.........OR.............Should I stick with an old reliable (Yamaha)?

In other words: if my boating experience will not be affected or hardly noticeable by going with 140 hp instead of 150hp AND Suzuki engines are proven to be as reliable - Why not go with the Suzuki 140 hp?

Your thoughts??? Thank you

Old 12-01-2019, 06:34 AM
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Pretty sure you'll notice a big difference between the 140 and 150s. The 140 is simply a souped up 115. The difference in holeshot will be significant and top speed will be noticeable as well. Most will probably say get the biggest you can afford but either of the 150s will work just fine on that size boat.
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Very recently bought Pioneer 18’ cc. Last minute changed my mind from the 202 purchase.

My experience was - dealer recommended my 18’ have at least 115hp. I listened. Friend has same boat with 90 hp Suzuki. His will “only” do 40 mph while mine does 45. His has 50# less on his transom. His DOES get better gas mileage but both are excellent. Both jump onto plane quickly. Both perform effortlessly with 4 people. I don’t expect to ever need 45 mph again. Sea conditions rarely allow it and I avoid wringing every bit of power of anything I use.

The 202 is also a light boat for its size. I would try to check out a 202 with a 115. I suspect the same performance comparison will show. I wish I’d gotten the 90 hp.

This horsepower race in boats boats must eventually be swayed by common sense.
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I've never seen a pioneer 197/202 with a 115. I doubt you could even find one.
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I don’t wish to argue with you Kanuk, but back in the day when 2 strokes ruled, you almost never saw a 19’ or 20’ boat with anything less than a 150. Even with the renowned torque which they had compared to a 4 stroke of today a boat that sized with a 115 was considered to be very underpowered. So I tend to agree with elGreco on this one.
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I agree. Friend’s 180 had 115 until motor stolen and replaced with 90 hp. The difference in weight between the 115/140 versus the 150 is around 100#. I think of the extra transom weight every time I’m anchored and see how high the swells rise up the transom.

Hoping to not sound like too much of a fossil but in the ‘80s, I fished commercially for mahi out of Ft Lauderdale. My high gunnelled 16’ had a 50 hp Johnson. My buddy and fellow mahi chaser had an 18’ modified runabout with twin 25 Evinrudes. Both planed easily and were seaworthy. With the weight of a 4s 115 on my transom, I’d be worried about taking waves over the transom on either of those boats. A new 115 weighs more than twice the combined weight of both of his motors.
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Originally Posted by horsepen40 View Post
I don’t wish to argue with you Kanuk, but back in the day when 2 strokes ruled, you almost never saw a 19’ or 20’ boat with anything less than a 150. Even with the renowned torque which they had compared to a 4 stroke of today a boat that sized with a 115 was considered to be very underpowered. So I tend to agree with elGreco on this one.
On rereading my input, I should have emphasized the relationship of boat weight to horsepower required. Pioneer chose to build a high quality boat owing its strength very much to modern build technology, rather than weight and hull thickness. The recommended horsepowers consider the options (t-top, livewells, bolsters and cushions etc. ) and the hp needed to push a heavily loaded boat. Many choose no options other than a Bimini and can use less hp. No arguments from me ever. My wife trained me well😊😊😊
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Both brands are great so I wouldn’t think twice about either of them. (I own both). Would come down to price, service and looks to me (black, white or gray. Suzuki white motors look nice).

What’s the price difference between the 150s?

Can you test drive one with a 140? If not, maybe call Pioneer and see if they have test data?

That is a big price difference so I see why you’re seriously considering. I’d be reluctant though to go with the 140 and make sure I had real world test data before deciding.

If anything, I think resale with a 140 would be much more difficult. 10 hp may technically not be much but reselling one with a 140 in lieu of a 150 may be a whole different story on the open market (for no good reason besides perception).

If money is a big factor and you don’t want to buy slightly used (would be my choice) run with the 140. Both brands are great.

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Definitely not the 140. I’ve run that hull (essentially identical to the old 197) with a 140 johnzuki, 175 optimax, and 175 I4 Yamaha. The 140 was underpowered. The 175 opti was the best of the bunch, but I don’t think you will be disappointed by either 150 option. Particularly the Yamaha, which is a strong 150.
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DF150’s got my vote. Very happy with looks and performance after a year and a half and 125 hours.



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Send an email to Jack at Pioneer, he's the wizard.


My Baysport has a 115 Zuk and it's pretty spiffy.
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Yeah, I know nothing about the boats in question so I have no dog in that fight. However, my experience with engine ownership allows me to comment. I used to own a small 2 stroke Suzuki which I really enjoyed having and only being a 115 it would push my KW 1720 in the low to mid 40’s. That was max for the hull. The last boat I bought was a 20’ pontoon with a 90 hp 4 stroke Suzi. It will run just about 30 on a perfect day. With that being said, I would not hesitate to recommend the brand to anyone. As for Yamaha, my only comment is when some of them suffered exhaust rot Yamaha basically washed their hands of the whole thing. Also the flywheel issue turned into a regular routine maintenance item. I can probably locate a 60’s model 6 cylinder Mercury or even a 50’s model OMC that still had its original flywheel. So that’s that. Best of luck with your decision.
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why not the 175?
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The sticker on the side does not tell the whole tale. Actual HP can vary substantially from the sticker and differences in torque do exist. Bryan is right. The DF140 is not in the same ballpark power-wise as the F-150. The Yamaha F150 is much larger engine. In fact, the F150 runs about 2mph slower than a 175 Suzuki does on a Pioneer 220 bay.
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Originally Posted by colostomizer View Post
why not the 175?
I agree with this. I have the suzi 175 on my 21'. I'm no speed demon either, but its sure nice when you need it, its there
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OK.........You have some very good points. I am going to check with the Pioneer factory on performance with the 140 hp.

The price difference between the two 150 bps is that the Suzuki DF150TXW is almost exactly $2,000.00 less than the Yamaha F150XB. I think you have answered my question for me. I am thinking maybe I should consider dropping my allegiance to Yamaha and go with the Suzuki 150 hp.

I agree with resale being more difficult and less lucrative with the 140 hp.

I also think the white looks pretty sharp.

Your thoughts?




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If you could get the 150 Suzuki for $2,000.00 less than the 150 Yamaha - What would you do ?
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Originally Posted by Mangrover View Post
If you could get the 150 Suzuki for $2,000.00 less than the 150 Yamaha - What would you do ?
2k out of the total price of the boat is nothing to ignore, but also not enough to get hung up over IMO. I would base whether or not the difference is justified on the reputation of the local servicing dealers for each brand. If I had a solid Yamaha dealer 10 min away that I trust and the Suzuki dealer was further away, I would gladly pay the difference. Even if that Yamaha dealer isn’t the one repping pioneer in your area.
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The Yamaha 150. Excellent engine choice for that I boat. The Pioneer Islander I owned brand new had the Yamaha 150. Great fuel economy, good hole shot and mid to upper 40’s for the top end.








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The DF140 and DF150 are 2 completely different Motors. 2044cc to 2867cc. Small Block or Big Block. The 140 is basically a DF115, Tweaked and lightened a few pounds.

So DF150 Gets that Vote.

Then Suzuki vs Yamaha, Well Service, price, (a DF150AP FBW is most likely the same price as the F150 Mech.) A DF175 would be close with VVT. Again, my $$$ baring No Suzuki Service, again would go to a DF150AP

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