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Old 11-13-2019, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by yhsesq View Post
anyone actually using nite track and has videos of it day and night ?
the sketchy website with spelling errors doesnt inspire confidence for $4100.
It's an interesting concept... basically taking advantage of the fact that modern CCD cameras (the kind in your iPhone) keep getting more and more sensitive.
Old 11-13-2019, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jtcwhaler View Post
It's an interesting concept... basically taking advantage of the fact that modern CCD cameras (the kind in your iPhone) keep getting more and more sensitive.
nothing wrong with the concept. its basically what those guys do : https://www.sionyx.com/
for much less in color. but their performance is nowhere near as good as a modern gen iv nightsight.
Old 11-13-2019, 12:34 PM
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Most of the boats running from the cove to Oregon Inlet have light bars. It helps a lot. We usually line up, guy in front uses his bar when he needs. You will also need a spot, remote or hand held to light up the poly balls that mark the crack. We put our spot off stb bow and line them up. That works better than the bar for us.

As as sated above, biggest problem with the bar is reflection off the bow deck.. Mine is on tower platform and I still get get some. Setting it back a bit may put your bow deck in the shadow.

I got an inexpensive bar and gave it several additional coat of Awlgrip. Still fine 4 years later.
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:43 PM
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Anyone that says a light bar has no place on a boat has never run the Crack the old Bonner bridge or crossed tha bar at Oregon inlet at night.
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:44 PM
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I have a 40 min run upriver at 8 knots to my yacht club pen. FLIR is perfect for spotting markers, buoys, paddlecraft and other similar objects.

Forget about the PTZ models, go for the highest resolution fixed model you can afford.
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Originally Posted by 54bullwinkle View Post
Most of the boats running from the cove to Oregon Inlet have light bars. It helps a lot. We usually line up, guy in front uses his bar when he needs. You will also need a spot, remote or hand held to light up the poly balls that mark the crack. We put our spot off stb bow and line them up. That works better than the bar for us.

As as sated above, biggest problem with the bar is reflection off the bow deck.. Mine is on tower platform and I still get get some. Setting it back a bit may put your bow deck in the shadow.

I got an inexpensive bar and gave it several additional coat of Awlgrip. Still fine 4 years later.

That has been my experience. Follow the leader but on occasion, pulled out alone and just run it. I can see where the poly balls at the crack would need a spot, but a cheap rechargeable hand held works for that scenario.

Maybe a light bar that can remotely tilt? That could be something.
Old 11-13-2019, 01:04 PM
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I have hard top boat with windshield and a Hella light bar. The Hella has a wide/flat pattern that can be reduced to 5W so it's great for lighting up bouys, docks, etc without blinding the neighborhood. Put it on high and you can spot birds on the water at hundreds of feet, see markers reflecting at 1400' with ease too. The Rigid lights I've owned have nearly zero control of the beam, they have so much scatter that they reflect off stuff 90 degrees from the intended direction, useless in rain or very humid air.

I spent a lot of time getting the location and aim of the Hella right, it does not reflect off my boat anywhere, it takes some measuring a work with a straight edge, but worth it. My steaming light creates the only reflection off the bow rail, might need a flat black powder coat on the back of the rail.

FLIR rocks, not in the cards for this boat, having digital radar and a dim light bar is a close second. I don't like the sudden blinding light of a spot light, way to much glare and ruins night vision if it's not very carefully used.
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Mate on a 62' viking and we leave in the dark with FLIR headed to the canyons 26-28knts can pick out sea bass pots no problem.
Old 11-13-2019, 01:40 PM
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The only night lights of value on boats are red. I installed red lights under my gunnels. White lights will wash out your rods and destroy your night vision. Thought you knew this.
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I have a go light on the top of my pilot house, it is positioned so the leading edge off the roof causes a shadow over the deck of the boat. Fine line from shadow to glare. I use the radar when under way but when I need the light to pick up a bouy in a tight channel the go light with the remote is nice.
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simple-pay attention-flir and no light bar-radar-really pay attention-moderate speed
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I know plenty guys hate the light bars, but it it what works best where are. Only used it one other place, pulling out of Conch House Marina in Augustine on a moonless night. Lit up the whole lagoon.
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Old 11-13-2019, 02:20 PM
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I had a remote spotlight at first. What a waste of money. Once on plane it was worthless. Switched over to a Rigid light bar 30" ($1300) and never looked back. Mine is mounted on the T top about 6" from the front and angled properly with minimal glare. I use it before daylight when fishing all the time. Love it.
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Ran a fixed FLIR on my Tiara Express thru a Raymarine MFD. Even with everything dimmed or off at night including covering up the annoyingly bright red generator light (I kept electrical tape at the helm to cover the light) it can be difficult to see out of the window glass even on dark clear nights. It worked best at slow speeds when there’s no rain or fog as the light diffraction off the water droplets severely restricts its utility.

Went to the dual payload remote pan/tilt model thru Simrad MFDs on my convertible and even at 3x the cost of the fixed model it still is most useful at slow speeds as the refresh rate and video field width are too limited to rely on at planing speeds. The dual cameras eliminate the fog/rain issue but I’m ambivalent as to whether I’d put one on my next boat.

There’s no substitute for a pair of light-acclimated human eyes as a lookout since the FLIR is a narrow picture and the light bar will only light up a limited part of your overall vision field and mask anything beyond it while blowing up your night vision for 20-30 minutes after using it.

Congrats on the Pursuit, they are great boats.


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We usually head back to the rental house in the keys before dark and before we want to. We need to avoid a thousand trap bouys, some very narrow channel markers, other boats etc. I was thinking about a handheld light and maybe someday some GEN 3 night vision goggles because they'd serve me in other purposes too.
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Old 11-14-2019, 11:35 AM
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FLIR and Nite Track are different technologies: FLIR has an infrared sensor and Nite Track amplifies visible light.

You might want to consider night vision goggles -- they will provide night vision directly to your eyes, not to a screen on the dashboard, and you can see in every direction just by turning your head.
Old 11-14-2019, 12:18 PM
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You know those jacked up pick up trucks that never see an unpaved road? The ones that turn the light bar on when driving around town so they can justify the purchase. About the same deal on boats 95% of the time.
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Originally Posted by TLB32 View Post
Ran a fixed FLIR on my Tiara Express thru a Raymarine MFD. Even with everything dimmed or off at night including covering up the annoyingly bright red generator light (I kept electrical tape at the helm to cover the light) it can be difficult to see out of the window glass even on dark clear nights. It worked best at slow speeds when there’s no rain or fog as the light diffraction off the water droplets severely restricts its utility.

Went to the dual payload remote pan/tilt model thru Simrad MFDs on my convertible and even at 3x the cost of the fixed model it still is most useful at slow speeds as the refresh rate and video field width are too limited to rely on at planing speeds. The dual cameras eliminate the fog/rain issue but I’m ambivalent as to whether I’d put one on my next boat.

There’s no substitute for a pair of light-acclimated human eyes as a lookout since the FLIR is a narrow picture and the light bar will only light up a limited part of your overall vision field and mask anything beyond it while blowing up your night vision for 20-30 minutes after using it.

Congrats on the Pursuit, they are great boats.

I read something awhile back, maybe even on THT. The captains eye patch as so often depicted in paintings and such was apparently to preserve night vision.

If a canon fired and the flash ruined night vision he could raise the pat h and focus. I can't prove it is true. I read it and it sounds plausible.

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