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SWF Pontoon Angler 11-12-2019 05:17 AM

It floated a couple minutes but then Sank...Total loss
 
Had a good day fishing last week then pulled up to the dock. Got my car and trailer backed up onto the ramp, put in park, set the emergency, let the car run, and went to the boat to drive it around. I heard a loud pop and looked up to watch my car and trailer slowly roll backwards into the water floating away, trailer jack knifed, and then sinking. I stayed calm and watched it all happen, too far away to do anything so why go crazy? After a couple minutes the car sank and settled on the bottom with the water just a few inches over the sitting part of the seats.

I then called for a tow and as he winched it out the car started on fire.....but after using a couple extinguishers we put it out. A few days later now and I have bought a Volkswagen Tourage diesel that will pull 7700 pounds. My friend that used to work in the Coast Guard told me a few months ago that SOP for them when loading or unloading was to turn the steering so if the vehicle would coast back it would coast into the dock or wall. Also choc the front wheels and turn the engine off.

With my new car I think I'll be sure to put it in park, put on the emergency brake, turn the ignition off, maybe turn the steering so it would coast into the dock, but chocs under front wheel.....don't know yet. People would probably laugh. Maybe I would do it on a really steep ramp. What do you do?

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Mckee4Me 11-12-2019 05:19 AM

What did you catch?

SWF Pontoon Angler 11-12-2019 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by Mckee4Me (Post 13098918)
What did you catch?

Bunch of garbage but fun catching. ;cool;

blake0723 11-12-2019 05:24 AM

Was there any determination on what failed to let your truck roll back? This is one of my biggest fears as I am usually launching and retrieving by myself.

CruiseToFish 11-12-2019 05:26 AM

I always roll the windows down. In case one of the kids is in for whatever reason so they can swim out if it ever happened. I always make them get out and wait on the dock/beach, but just in case. If the ramp is steep I also put it in 4HI so park in the trans is connected to the front diff.

bakerjw 11-12-2019 05:27 AM

I always use my parking brake. Along with the park engagement mechanism I've not seen any reason to chock the wheels. Yet..

305seahunter 11-12-2019 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by CruiseToFish (Post 13098939)
If the ramp is steep I also put it in 4HI so park in the trans is connected to the front diff.

This is important. Slick ramps are usually the slickest right at your rear tires.

Rick Dangerous 11-12-2019 05:41 AM

It is most likely the "P" park gear that failed; and a lot of cars; even if the Ebrake is cranked on it isn't enough to stop it from rolling. You should have your ebrake checked every 2-3 years if you are using your vehicle as a launch vehicle to make sure its solid. Test it yourself on a hill to make sure it can hold the weight of the car by itself solidly. Also; when you back down a ramp; put the E-brake on first; THEN the park brake, that way the load is on the ebrake first and P as a secondary. The P gear is not really meant to support the full weight of a stationary vehicle on an incline by itself. It's just an accident waiting to happen as it did above.

Sorry for the loss of your vehicle; and way to stay cool when it was happening. Not sure i'd have been able to keep as cool of a cucumber myself....

LITECATCH 11-12-2019 05:42 AM

4X4 behind the rear tire. Always.

SWF Pontoon Angler 11-12-2019 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by LITECATCH (Post 13099004)
4X4 behind the rear tire. Always.

How can you put a 4x4 behind rear tire when it's down maybe almost or even in the water?

fishypete 11-12-2019 05:52 AM

Kids are never in the car. Never. I always chock both front wheels. Ebrake then park and cut the wheel. I sometimes launch at a ramp that is notoriously slippery and swallows a few every year. Atlantic Highlands Marina has this posted. Forget the folks who have to wait an extra two minutes.

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SWF Pontoon Angler 11-12-2019 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by blake0723 (Post 13098935)
Was there any determination on what failed to let your truck roll back? This is one of my biggest fears as I am usually launching and retrieving by myself.

Most I've talked to said linkage on transmission must have broke.

rocksandblues 11-12-2019 05:54 AM

That sucks. Sorry it happened to you

rdmallory 11-12-2019 05:56 AM

E-brakes are not designed to work in reverse.
They use forward rotation to work.

Doug

SWF Pontoon Angler 11-12-2019 05:58 AM


Originally Posted by CruiseToFish (Post 13098939)
I always roll the windows down. In case one of the kids is in for whatever reason so they can swim out if it ever happened. I always make them get out and wait on the dock/beach, but just in case. If the ramp is steep I also put it in 4HI so park in the trans is connected to the front diff.

I waded out to it as it was sinking with windows open. I could not open the door at all so I went half way through driver's window to grab my wallet and cell phone. The car was still running but I shut it off and removed key. When tow driver went out there to release brake and take out of park the door opened easily.

NC_Native 11-12-2019 06:00 AM

This is a good reminder for me to start using wheel chocks.

Lone Ranger 11-12-2019 06:02 AM

Older Fords never had a good Park detent for the Shifter.Many years ago they had a Recall on some for slipping out of Park. Parking Brakes don't hold as well backwards either.Especially if it's the Drum in Hat Rotors. Park Brake Shoes are small as crap! Sorry for Your loss..

Codycat 11-12-2019 06:06 AM

Was there any determination as to what caused the fire?

I haven't been using e brake or chocks. Just put it in park. Guess I have been really lucky........I think I will start with chocks

acme54321 11-12-2019 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by rdmallory (Post 13099049)
E-brakes are not designed to work in reverse.
They use forward rotation to work.

Doug


Say what?

LSCboater 11-12-2019 06:08 AM

Use a wheel chock on the driver front wheel and add a rope to it. You can pull it up and out of the way once you get the vehicle going.

In your Touareg is it the switch that says "on road" and "off road" (no 4HI?).

SeaSquid631 11-12-2019 06:13 AM

E brake/ Once in park and foot off brake and make sure itís holding I switch it into 4hi

SWF Pontoon Angler 11-12-2019 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by Lone Ranger (Post 13099074)
Older Fords never had a good Park detent for the Shifter.Many years ago they had a Recall on some for slipping out of Park. Parking Brakes don't hold as well backwards either.Especially if it's the Drum in Hat Rotors. Park Brake Shoes are small as crap! Sorry for Your loss..

Thanks, by the way the gear shifter was just flopping after they towed the car in. You could flop it back and forth from park to low without pushing in the button.

SWF Pontoon Angler 11-12-2019 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by LSCboater (Post 13099106)
Use a wheel chock on the driver front wheel and add a rope to it. You can pull it up and out of the way once you get the vehicle going.

In your Touareg is it the switch that says "on road" and "off road" (no 4HI?).

The car is being delivered Thursday but yes, I think it has the switch you are talking about. It's the Executive model.

SWF Pontoon Angler 11-12-2019 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by Codycat (Post 13099090)
Was there any determination as to what caused the fire?

I haven't been using e brake or chocks. Just put it in park. Guess I have been really lucky........I think I will start with chocks

The guy said I was lucky the car started on fire after getting wet. He said it was probably and accident waiting to happen with bare wires somewhere under the dash where it started and could have started while on the road.

BACKTOTHESEA 11-12-2019 06:20 AM

My e brake doesn’t know the difference between forward and backwards. Holds the truck in place on an incline with the boat attached.

rdmallory 11-12-2019 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by acme54321 (Post 13099095)
Say what?

Press the parking brake and back up....
Now try try driving forward.

The brake shoes work like a cam and the forward rotation helps apply them.

rdmallory 11-12-2019 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by BACKTOTHESEA (Post 13099147)
My e brake doesnít know the difference between forward and backwards. Holds the truck in place on an incline with the boat attached.

Some of the newer cars don't use the drum barking brake. A number of vehicles even with disc brake still use a drum parking brake that works like a cam.

Doug

Flybull 11-12-2019 06:31 AM

Someone had posted awhile back on this topic (I think it was here on THT) that they have a chock for each front tire on a line with a loop that they throw over each side mirror. As they drive forward up the ramp, the chock is dragged along until finding a place to stop. I think that would work well.

clockwork 11-12-2019 06:37 AM

Everyone out, windows down, wheel chock. Also donít tow with cars.

jaybyrd83ecu 11-12-2019 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by SWF Pontoon Angler (Post 13099034)
How can you put a 4x4 behind rear tire when it's down maybe almost or even in the water?

My first vehicle, when I was in high school, was a F-250 manual. I had a 6x6 that I cut with a 45 in one end. One the other end I had a big eye bolt. I had a rope on the eye bolt and would stick it under a tire SOMEWHERE when I would launch/retrieve. I would then tie the rope to some part of the truck so that when I took off it would drag up the ramp and not get hung up somewhere. Most of the time I was able to do this on the back tire, not the front, and just tie it to the bumper. There was always that moment of limbo when you were by yourself and you'd lock up the parking brake and hold your breath to make sure it was holding. Saved me many a day!
Now that I have an automatic I guess I've put trust in the "P" and parking brake. Locking it into 4x4 I've done now on steep ramps and after reading this I'll have to make sure to do that more frequently.

unobtanium 11-12-2019 06:42 AM

I was told that if you saw how small the Park detent is in the transmission, you would never leave it just in Park on any kind of slope

briclark904 11-12-2019 06:45 AM

I can't tell - what kind of vehicle was it that sunk? Sorry for your loss but you seems to have the right mindset.

JExpedition07 11-12-2019 06:56 AM

Looks like an Explorer, unfortunately you have to keep your parking brake inspected and serviced I guess, we all take it for granted. Not OPs fault as it could happen to anyone. The Touareg canít really tow 7,800 pounds Iíd guess, sounds like a marketing grab like the unachievable half ton max ratings. Thatís Expedition and Suburban territory. Ford tried rating the Explorer there too, was never up to the task. The full sizes have a lot more wheelbase, engine, and payload than these to tow that weight safer. Although the Touareg diesel has a lot of torque, a lot more promising than the gas V6. Looks like a nice car inside.

SWF Pontoon Angler 11-12-2019 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by rdmallory (Post 13099165)
Press the parking brake and back up....
Now try try driving forward.

The brake shoes work like a cam and the forward rotation helps apply them.

Problem though with this is sometimes the parking brake gets stuck and you can't release it.

SWF Pontoon Angler 11-12-2019 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by JExpedition07 (Post 13099292)
Looks like an Explorer, unfortunately you have to keep your parking brake inspected and serviced I guess, we all take it for granted. Not OPs fault as it could happen to anyone. The Touareg can’t really tow 7,800 pounds I’d guess, sounds like a marketing grab like the unachievable half ton max ratings. That’s Expedition and Suburban territory. Ford tried rating the Explorer there too, was never up to the task. The full sizes have a lot more wheelbase, engine, and payload than these to tow that weight safer. Although the Touareg diesel has a lot of torque, a lot more promising than the gas V6. Looks like a nice car inside.

There are videos on youtube of pulling a stock car on trailer with the Touareg doing 75 and 80 mph. It's one of the best mid sized SUV's for towing and has factory hitch along with 4WD or really all wheel drive but still gets 20 or more mpg. It weighs around 5000 pounds. My Explorer got 13 pulling my 3500 pound boat.

slipkid 11-12-2019 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by CruiseToFish (Post 13098939)
I always roll the windows down. In case one of the kids is in for whatever reason so they can swim out if it ever happened. I always make them get out and wait on the dock/beach, but just in case. If the ramp is steep I also put it in 4HI so park in the trans is connected to the front diff.

I know a guy who almost drowned this way. Someone swam down and smashed the window and pulled him out. Always roll your windows down on a ramp...

CruiseToFish 11-12-2019 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by SWF Pontoon Angler (Post 13099332)
Problem though with this is sometimes the parking brake gets stuck and you can't release it.

Push on the pedal while pulling the release - it'll release easily.

Cobia 217 11-12-2019 07:26 AM

I always back in fairly close to the dock and religiously cut the wheels hard over in the event the e-brake on my truck ever fails. I carry a chock but only use it when the ramp is slick. Disclaimer: I also have a roller trailer so my truck wheels are seldom within 5 or 6 feet of the water.

GiantSquid92 11-12-2019 07:32 AM

You just lost a vehicle because the parking break failed and you're concerned about using a chock because someone might judge you for it..........i guess you enjoy testing out your vehicles floatation

Tom W Clark 11-12-2019 07:33 AM

It’s not an E brake, it’s a parking brake. It works forward or reverse. Use it.

To efficiently use a chock under the front wheel, attach a cord to it and close you door on the cord so when you drive up the ramp, it just drags the chock along. Just be sure there is not enough cord for the chock to reach the real wheel.


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