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SWF Pontoon Angler 11-14-2019 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by KonaCat (Post 13106692)
Might be fun to try Sea legs on your pontoon

Great video....love it :thumbsup:

Boats on Blocks 11-14-2019 03:35 PM

Man, that's too bad. Glad nobody was injured. Touareg is great. A slick ramp is scary, because once that rig starts sliding, there's not much that can be done. I understand this was more a mechanical issue.

malty falcon 11-14-2019 07:11 PM

""Here's the correct way to use E-brake as a few have stated above. I never did it this way but will start now.

https://www.nationwide.com/how-and-w...ency-brake.jsp""

That little article seemed like puffery. If I had to "save wear and tear on" my transmission with a parking brake, I should have a more robust transmission, I think. I've been advised to downshift when going down long, mountain passes, to save wear on the brakes. Seems like I should save wear and tear on my car in general by walking everywhere!
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SWF Pontoon Angler 11-15-2019 04:50 AM


Originally Posted by malty falcon (Post 13107368)
""Here's the correct way to use E-brake as a few have stated above. I never did it this way but will start now.

https://www.nationwide.com/how-and-w...ency-brake.jsp""

That little article seemed like puffery. If I had to "save wear and tear on" my transmission with a parking brake, I should have a more robust transmission, I think. I've been advised to downshift when going down long, mountain passes, to save wear on the brakes. Seems like I should save wear and tear on my car in general by walking everywhere!
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Seems like it would be just as easy to do it this way as not, so might as well I think.

dishgawd 11-17-2019 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by JExpedition07 (Post 13099292)
Looks like an Explorer, unfortunately you have to keep your parking brake inspected and serviced I guess, we all take it for granted. Not OPs fault as it could happen to anyone. The Touareg canít really tow 7,800 pounds Iíd guess, sounds like a marketing grab like the unachievable half ton max ratings. Thatís Expedition and Suburban territory. Ford tried rating the Explorer there too, was never up to the task. The full sizes have a lot more wheelbase, engine, and payload than these to tow that weight safer. Although the Touareg diesel has a lot of torque, a lot more promising than the gas V6. Looks like a nice car inside.


What weight can a VW Touareg tow?
Technical specsEngine size2995 ccKerbweight2185 kg85% KW1857 kgTowball limit140 kgMaximum towing limit3500 kg or 7700 lbs doesn't matter if diesel or not.

seawolf20 11-17-2019 11:03 AM

Always CHOCK your Vehicle
 
I've seen this happen so often, I always chock my vehicle prior to launching and recovery. Especially on slippery ramps to help stop the truck if the tires were to spin or slide.

dell30rb 11-17-2019 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Rick Dangerous (Post 13098997)
It is most likely the "P" park gear that failed; and a lot of cars; even if the Ebrake is cranked on it isn't enough to stop it from rolling. You should have your ebrake checked every 2-3 years if you are using your vehicle as a launch vehicle to make sure its solid. Test it yourself on a hill to make sure it can hold the weight of the car by itself solidly. Also; when you back down a ramp; put the E-brake on first; THEN the park brake, that way the load is on the ebrake first and P as a secondary. The P gear is not really meant to support the full weight of a stationary vehicle on an incline by itself. It's just an accident waiting to happen as it did above.

Sorry for the loss of your vehicle; and way to stay cool when it was happening. Not sure i'd have been able to keep as cool of a cucumber myself....

this is one more reason to tow with a full size truck. Every 3/4 ton truck I have owned featured a really strong E-brake. Newer 1/2 tons have good ones as well

Solandri 11-17-2019 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by JExpedition07 (Post 13099292)
Looks like an Explorer, unfortunately you have to keep your parking brake inspected and serviced I guess, we all take it for granted. Not OPs fault as it could happen to anyone. The Touareg canít really tow 7,800 pounds Iíd guess, sounds like a marketing grab like the unachievable half ton max ratings. Thatís Expedition and Suburban territory. Ford tried rating the Explorer there too, was never up to the task. The full sizes have a lot more wheelbase, engine, and payload than these to tow that weight safer. Although the Touareg diesel has a lot of torque, a lot more promising than the gas V6. Looks like a nice car inside.

I have the same model as OP (diesel V6 Executive). The Touareg is made in Europe, where they don't believe in weight distribution hitches. So they over-designed the hitch to compensate. VW made a commercial with the previous gen model towing a 747 to highlight its towing capability. It's a beast of a towing machine. Easily pulls my boat which is right at the 7700 lb tow limit (it only travels about a mile between storage, the gas station, and the boat launch, though I take it on the freeway once a year to the service yard). They got rid of the 4WD low option in 2011, but they gave it an extremely low 1st gear in its 8 speed automatic. I was worried about it at first, but it pulls my boat up the ramp at 1600 RPM in 1st gear. There are silly YouTube videos of trucks doing a tug of war via their tow hitches, and the Touareg usually wins.

The weight of the load isn't a problem - someone on the Touareg forums had a look at its towbar assembly and said it's more robustly built than ones he's seen on 3/4 ton pickups. Its main weakness when towing is lack of wheelbase. In high crosswinds, you can feel the trailer trying to push the car around. The other thing you have to watch out for is the car's axle loads when you have a heavy trailer attached. After adding the max tongue weight, there's only enough GVWR left for like one passenger. (Speaking of which, there was some controversy with the label on the hitch stating the max tongue weight as 600 lbs in North America, vs 771 lbs (10% tow weight) in Europe. There's been a lot of debate over this, but VW will give you a sticker to cover up 600 with a 770 if you can find someone at VW who knows about the issue.)

All Exec models came with the tow hitch standard, so it's the factory hitch rated for the full 7716 lbs (3500 kg). Most aftermarket hitches are rated for less. The transmission cooler is standard, as is the wiring hardness for attaching an electronic brake/sway controller (although from the videos I've seen it's a PITA to access to install). It uses a 7-pin trailer light plug, and I discovered (after buying a resistor pack) that it's smart enough to recognize when a trailer with LED lights is connected.

This thread did get me thinking. I normally just toss the wheel chocks for the boat trailer in the back when I'm launching the boat. Wouldn't be much more work to use them on the car while on the ramp.

SWF Pontoon Angler 11-17-2019 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by Solandri (Post 13113646)
I have the same model as OP (diesel V6 Executive). The Touareg is made in Europe, where they don't believe in weight distribution hitches. So they over-designed the hitch to compensate. VW made a commercial with the previous gen model towing a 747 to highlight its towing capability. It's a beast of a towing machine. Easily pulls my boat which is right at the 7700 lb tow limit (it only travels about a mile between storage, the gas station, and the boat launch, though I take it on the freeway once a year to the service yard). They got rid of the 4WD low option in 2011, but they gave it an extremely low 1st gear in its 8 speed automatic. I was worried about it at first, but it pulls my boat up the ramp at 1600 RPM in 1st gear. There are silly YouTube videos of trucks doing a tug of war via their tow hitches, and the Touareg usually wins.

The weight of the load isn't a problem - someone on the Touareg forums had a look at its towbar assembly and said it's more robustly built than ones he's seen on 3/4 ton pickups. Its main weakness when towing is lack of wheelbase. In high crosswinds, you can feel the trailer trying to push the car around. The other thing you have to watch out for is the car's axle loads when you have a heavy trailer attached. After adding the max tongue weight, there's only enough GVWR left for like one passenger. (Speaking of which, there was some controversy with the label on the hitch stating the max tongue weight as 600 lbs in North America, vs 771 lbs (10% tow weight) in Europe. There's been a lot of debate over this, but VW will give you a sticker to cover up 600 with a 770 if you can find someone at VW who knows about the issue.)

All Exec models came with the tow hitch standard, so it's the factory hitch rated for the full 7716 lbs (3500 kg). Most aftermarket hitches are rated for less. The transmission cooler is standard, as is the wiring hardness for attaching an electronic brake/sway controller (although from the videos I've seen it's a PITA to access to install). It uses a 7-pin trailer light plug, and I discovered (after buying a resistor pack) that it's smart enough to recognize when a trailer with LED lights is connected.

This thread did get me thinking. I normally just toss the wheel chocks for the boat trailer in the back when I'm launching the boat. Wouldn't be much more work to use them on the car while on the ramp.

Thanks for your insight on my car, the turbo on it really kicks it up when taking off. I should get around 700 miles on a tank of gas too.

Lt.mike 11-17-2019 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by SWF Pontoon Angler (Post 13099034)
How can you put a 4x4 behind rear tire when it's down maybe almost or even in the water?

Been trailering for decades and never get the tow vehicles rear tires in the water.
Not on purpose . ;)
Thats a good way to ruin your vehicle with salt or water into the axle.
I realize not everyone has AWD or a 4x4 to tow with but itís much safer when on a green ramp at low tide.
I have a set sequence when pulling out...
foot on brake, shift to drive, foot to gas adding a little then release the e-brake and power up.
Two years back I mixed it up and almost paid dearly for it. Foot on brake, release e-brake (mistake) then as I shifted through reverse the front brake line blew! I started rolling back with no brakes so I dropped it quick into drive and with a chirp it climbed out. I doubt hitting the e-brake would have stopped it on the green stuff in the water and 4wd saved me.
Thinking now I have to agree that a chocked wheel would have helped too. A block of wood behind with a line attached to the hitch can be left in place and will automatically drag behind you as you climb the ramp.
Also, I recently bought a new trailer and it came with a flat ď5Ē pin connector .
I have both a 4 pin and 7 pin connection on my vehicle so I bought a 7 to 5 pin adaptor to make it work. The 5th wire is connected to the reverse lamps which triggers a solenoid in the hydraulic brakes preventing them from engaging when you backup. You can still relocate the pin but the solenoid just skips a step making it a little easier.
On LED lamps, I have a bunch of trailers, some with LED lamps and some not. I also have new and old tow vehicles. LED lamps donít make any difference to the tow vehicle.
Either incandescent or LED they both work on 12v and thatís all the system knows.
Mike

TonyStark 11-17-2019 03:19 PM

Curious, did you have eyes on the vehicle while you were getting the boat? Any video of the area? You're sure no one did something malicious?

casaleenie 11-17-2019 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by acme54321 (Post 13099095)
Say what?

Yea, I kinda flinched also...

Maggiesmaster 11-17-2019 04:07 PM

I launch my 17 ft boat by myself without leaving my suv. Tie a strong line from the trailer to the boat’s eye. Unhitch all straps, then back down to the water. When sufficiently deep, hit the brakes hard; boat slides off the trailer and is stopped by the rope. Slowly drive up, park, lock (and chock!) suv, then pull the boat to the bank by the rope,

SeaBoss21 11-17-2019 06:23 PM

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SWF Pontoon Angler 11-18-2019 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by SeaBoss21 (Post 13114545)

LOL I know this feeling!

SWF Pontoon Angler 11-18-2019 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by Maggiesmaster (Post 13114211)
I launch my 17 ft boat by myself without leaving my suv. Tie a strong line from the trailer to the boat’s eye. Unhitch all straps, then back down to the water. When sufficiently deep, hit the brakes hard; boat slides off the trailer and is stopped by the rope. Slowly drive up, park, lock (and chock!) suv, then pull the boat to the bank by the rope,

That's how I unload my pontoon but haven't used chocs. I only gently move the boat in until it gently floats off the trailer though.

SWF Pontoon Angler 11-18-2019 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by TonyStark (Post 13114090)
Curious, did you have eyes on the vehicle while you were getting the boat? Any video of the area? You're sure no one did something malicious?

I was the only one there, this ramp is used very little.

Lt.mike 11-18-2019 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by SWF Pontoon Angler (Post 13115043)
I was the only one there, this ramp is used very little.

The only one there?
Wow, that defies all chapters of Murphyís Law. The only time Iím alone is when everything goes right. Pick that one time for a screwup and the peanut gallery is sure to be there for comment.

Lt.mike 11-18-2019 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by SWF Pontoon Angler (Post 13115038)
LOL I know this feeling!

Me too, drove a new Jeep into a pond in Florida :banghead:

SWF Pontoon Angler 11-18-2019 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by Lt.mike (Post 13115254)

The only one there?
Wow, that defies all chapters of Murphyís Law. The only time Iím alone is when everything goes right. Pick that one time for a screwup and the peanut gallery is sure to be there for comment.

It drew a crowd after a while but most were saying sorry this happened to you.


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