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SWF Pontoon Angler 11-12-2019 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by ole_blue (Post 13099526)
Kids are never in the truck at the ramp. I've laid in bed many nights having the horrible thought of the truck going in with the kids. Mine are in car seats so it's worse. Again please never leave the kids in the vehicle when launching. I'm sweating just typing this.

I've never left any passenger in the car when loading or unloading on the ramp.

williamwallus 11-12-2019 10:15 AM

probably was low on blinker fluid

cinder block on the gas pedal might help

Jim311 11-12-2019 10:18 AM

There must have been multiple failures here. There's a pin or two in the transmission about the thickness of your pinky finger that locks into a detent to hold the weight of the vehicle. It takes a lot of force to break one, but it can happen. But that's why there's more than one pin in the setups that I've seen. Even if that fails, the parking break should have prevented this, so it was either poorly adjusted or the ramp was simply too slippery for two of the wheels to have enough traction to stop the slide. Also, it's a fundamental misunderstanding if you think a parking break doesn't work in both directions. I've never seen one that did anything other than expand inside the brake like a standard drum brake would do. What kind of shitty parking brake would only work in one direction? What if you have to park with the front of the car facing uphill? You think some engineer just didn't think of that situation when it was designed? I think not. Anyway, sometimes stuff is beyond your control and it just wasnt your day. That's why you pay for insurance.

hbouldin1216 11-12-2019 10:35 AM

Never used chocks on my titan 2wd, but saw a guy at the ramp one day with a genius idea that I've since adopted. Standard Harbor Freight wheel chock with a line run through the notch up to a loop that you slide over your driver side mirror. Add an extra foot or two to eliminate stress on the mirror but also keeps it out of your rear gear. Chock behind front left wheel. When you pull up the ramp, the chock just drags behind you until you're on the flat and can remove it. About $10 worth of insurance.

BACKTOTHESEA 11-12-2019 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by rdmallory (Post 13099165)
Press the parking brake and back up....
Now try try driving forward.

The brake shoes work like a cam and the forward rotation helps apply them.

My f250 does not move in reverse with the parking brake engaged even in reverse. But my e brakes are properly adjusted and fully functioning. Actually replaced the drivers side assembly on Saturday.

Elgreco809 11-12-2019 11:16 AM

One of the downsides to disk brakes is the tiny parking brake shoes. Very little surface area. Some cars use a cam behind the caliper piston instead but I've never seen that on a truck. My old ram 1500 has drums in the rear and when I set the parking brake, that mofo is not moving. Of course the downside is drums fade easier and the self adjusting "feature" is as useless as tits on a nun so they require frequent adjustment. Here's a tip for everyone that has rear discs with drum in hat parking brakes. Once in a while you want to drive down a road doing 15-20 mph and slowly apply the parking brake a time or 2. That will help clean off any rust that has formed on the rotor.

Skybolter 11-12-2019 11:23 AM

Sounds like a parking pawl failure. My almost-new truck was hit by a driverless Ford Exploder that had a pawl failure. Neither vehicle was occupied at the time. The Ford's owner was unloading groceries while parked up a hill. She slammed the rear gate closed and the car took off rolling down the hill. My truck was the only thing that kept the Ford from rolling into a lake. I got the worst of the deal...front suspension was sheared. She said that was the second time that had happened...duh!!

WPBTH 11-12-2019 11:28 AM

so why did it catch on fire

ed d 11-12-2019 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by WPBTH (Post 13100346)
so why did it catch on fire

^^^^^

SWF Pontoon Angler 11-12-2019 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by WPBTH (Post 13100346)
so why did it catch on fire

As I said above they think some wires were touching under the dash and after getting wet maybe they shorted or something, that's all I know.

Jim311 11-12-2019 12:25 PM

Yeah any number of things could short out and catch fire if they're filled with conductive saltwater.

SWF Pontoon Angler 11-12-2019 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by Jim311 (Post 13100072)
There must have been multiple failures here. There's a pin or two in the transmission about the thickness of your pinky finger that locks into a detent to hold the weight of the vehicle. It takes a lot of force to break one, but it can happen. But that's why there's more than one pin in the setups that I've seen. Even if that fails, the parking break should have prevented this, so it was either poorly adjusted or the ramp was simply too slippery for two of the wheels to have enough traction to stop the slide. Also, it's a fundamental misunderstanding if you think a parking break doesn't work in both directions. I've never seen one that did anything other than expand inside the brake like a standard drum brake would do. What kind of shitty parking brake would only work in one direction? What if you have to park with the front of the car facing uphill? You think some engineer just didn't think of that situation when it was designed? I think not. Anyway, sometimes stuff is beyond your control and it just wasnt your day. That's why you pay for insurance.

The ramp was totally dry and traction great. I stepped on the emergency brake with some force but not hard enough to lock it up where I couldn't release it.

Finsinchessy 11-12-2019 12:37 PM

I have always wished Ramps had an eye bolt to snatch a chain or cable too. I have had too many e brakes fail, but not on a ramp yet . Was taught when taught to drive to turn the front wheels to control accidental drift. Into curb, ditch etc.

I use chicks. I would rather be laughed at for chocks than bathing my ride in the drink.

Finsinchessy 11-12-2019 12:38 PM

I have always wished Ramps had an eye bolt to snatch a chain or cable too. I have had too many e brakes fail, but not on a ramp yet . Was taught when taught to drive to turn the front wheels to control accidental drift. Into curb, ditch etc.

I use chocks. I would rather be laughed at for chocks than bathing my ride in the drink.

From the Helm 11-12-2019 01:08 PM

Works on GMC in reverse
 

Originally Posted by rdmallory (Post 13099049)
E-brakes are not designed to work in reverse.
They use forward rotation to work.

Doug

E-brake maybe but using parking-brake to hold the load then put tranny in P for years. The older trucks I've owned have lost parking-brake functionality as the cables rust up, you know that when the brake won't hold in REV or FWD. Easy to check. My parking brake holds back my 3/4 ton just fine. Saves the parking pawls from the shock of going from P to D to.

bgreene 11-12-2019 01:26 PM

Thanks for posting your accident - so others can also learn from it and be more careful.

i also use a chock - frequent two with challenge being how to use before having to use E brake and P gear, getting out of vehicle , setting chock and then easing the vehicle back onto chock .

Ok if other person can put chock behind tire before using W brake and P gear but a challenge if alone.

C3D 11-12-2019 01:42 PM

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Stang4u2nv 11-12-2019 02:10 PM

With all due respect guys, the issue here is not the ebrake. The ebrake locks the rear tires but on a rwd vehicle once the rears touch the slime at the ramp their effectiveness drops significantly especial as you move deeper due to lets say low tide. This hasnt yet happened to me but my regular practice is to leave the truck running and in drive with 4x4 activated so as to have some sort of forward tension on the front tires and rears while im out of the truck. Tie the boat up jump back in then drive out. Due to my hull im always forced to go deep in the water, like tailgate deep. My exhaust is always bubbling and underwater. I have a stepped hull and the steps are always snagged on the trailer so you really have to go deep to have the boat lift up and get off the trailer. My buddy just lost his wrangler to a low tide and all 4 wheels on the slick stuff it was a total loss. Definitely a scary situation and yes never ever back in with the kids in the truck much less still strapped to the car seats. Bad bad situation guys dont ever do it.

Stang4u2nv 11-12-2019 02:13 PM

Notice my boat and truck on the ramp to the right check out the bubbles of the exhaust and the barely visible trailer tower on the front. Damn not letting me upload straight from my phone....

SWF Pontoon Angler 11-12-2019 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by bgreene (Post 13100768)
Thanks for posting your accident - so others can also learn from it and be more careful.

i also use a chock - frequent two with challenge being how to use before having to use E brake and P gear, getting out of vehicle , setting chock and then easing the vehicle back onto chock .

Ok if other person can put chock behind tire before using W brake and P gear but a challenge if alone.

Yes, after hearing others opinions on here I really am going to use chocs, turn my wheels in, and turn off ignition.


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