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IMPLiberty 11-12-2019 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by Flybull (Post 13099189)
Someone had posted awhile back on this topic (I think it was here on THT) that they have a chock for each front tire on a line with a loop that they throw over each side mirror. As they drive forward up the ramp, the chock is dragged along until finding a place to stop. I think that would work well.

I did this (just for the drivers side though). Even chocked, ebrake, in park etc... still always wonder what could happen. Would never let the kids stay in the truck for that reason.

wiscoarborist 11-12-2019 07:34 AM

A guy I used to know lost his truck to a slippery L. Michigan launch. Algae....I once had my truck break loose and slide down an icy launch ramp but once my rear wheels hit the submerged part of the ramp it stopped. No ice there. It was definitely a pucker moment...Back when I was much younger a friend and I used to be out with ice chiselss,scrapers and salt just to be the first on the river and the first to pound wintering holes. Occasionally - nowadays - some young guy will call us p-ssys for staying home when water temps are 35 and air temps are 25 and ice chunks are floating down river. If it's sunny and calm nice. If it's breezy and overcast? Let the young guys puff their chest out and act like they're the first to ever do it.

lyman24 11-12-2019 07:40 AM

After reading this I just might pick up a wheel chock or two. I do the typical.. put it in 4-wheel mode, park and e-brake. Sounds like that might not be enough in the case of a one-off event. Sorry to hear about your vehicle, and good call not jumping in afterwards. The new VW sounds nice. Enjoy.

acme54321 11-12-2019 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by rdmallory (Post 13099165)
Press the parking brake and back up....
Now try try driving forward.

The brake shoes work like a cam and the forward rotation helps apply them.

Sure, maybe they work better in forward motion depending on what type of brake they are but your original comment that "E-brakes are not designed to work in reverse" is not accurate. A properly adjusted parking brake is designed to be adequate to hold the vehicle from rolling forwards or backwards.

ole_blue 11-12-2019 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by CruiseToFish (Post 13098939)
I always roll the windows down. In case one of the kids is in for whatever reason so they can swim out if it ever happened. I always make them get out and wait on the dock/beach, but just in case. If the ramp is steep I also put it in 4HI so park in the trans is connected to the front diff.


Kids are never in the truck at the ramp. I've laid in bed many nights having the horrible thought of the truck going in with the kids. Mine are in car seats so it's worse. Again please never leave the kids in the vehicle when launching. I'm sweating just typing this.

HTJ 11-12-2019 07:59 AM

Will forever remain something very comforting about 5500+ lbs of of truck with substantial tires on a boat ramp.

A short piece of 4x behind the front tire will remove any lingering doubt.

NEBassMan 11-12-2019 08:01 AM

If that happened to me for sure Iíd be chocking my wheels after. If your ebrake is not able to hold your vehicle on a moderate incline, something is not right. The usual practice is, in order: ebrake on, foot off brake pedal, vehicle in park. That way the load is on the brakes, not the parking pawl. And that way you know if your ebrake is holding on its own each time its used.

Anecdotally, I had one of those ford vehicles that wld jump out of park into reverse. Fordís fix was to provide a sticker that read ďdo not leave vehicle unattended idling in parkĒ.


HTJ 11-12-2019 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by NEBassMan (Post 13099563)


Anecdotally, I had one of those ford vehicles that wld jump out of park into reverse. Fordís fix was to provide a sticker that read ďdo not leave vehicle unattended idling in parkĒ.


I had a'78 half ton Ford that would merrily do the same

sullivan504 11-12-2019 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by slipkid (Post 13099384)

I know a guy who almost drowned this way. Someone swam down and smashed the window and pulled him out. Always roll your windows down on a ramp...


I had a 2004 Tahoe which developed an electrical fault in the door locks and would spontaneously lock the doors. Not a good feeling to hear that ominous "click-thud" when I saw that a buddy had rolled the windows up and shut the door behind him at the ramp, with the engine running and the trailer in the water. Fortunately the tailgate was up and I always carried the spare key after the first time (at work) it locked me out.

Question for OP: what did you do with your boat on the fateful day? I don't see it in the photo so I'm assuming there was another dock to tie up to. But did the tow truck also bring the boat home?

JExpedition07 11-12-2019 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by SWF Pontoon Angler (Post 13099345)
There are videos on youtube of pulling a stock car on trailer with the Touareg doing 75 and 80 mph. It's one of the best mid sized SUV's for towing and has factory hitch along with 4WD or really all wheel drive but still gets 20 or more mpg. It weighs around 5000 pounds. My Explorer got 13 pulling my 3500 pound boat.

Yes all Iím implying is that the marketing is different than what we can tow efficiently/ safely. My Ford Expedition EL is rated to tow 9,200 pounds.....I donít think Iíd do it. Thatís chewing up a lot of payload and a lot on a 1/2 ton. Iíd probably borrow my dads F-250 if I was towing much more than my boat. That seems like a great mid size I agree when compared to the rest.

Cobia 217 11-12-2019 08:26 AM

A note on chocks, be sure they're big enough to hold your vehicle on an incline. It only takes a minute to do a test run on a side road with a helper. I used to have an old Jeep J-10 PU (stick) that had weak compression and a crappy parking brake. I just put a set of 33" off-road radial tires on it. Next trip to the ramp, I backed down, shut the engine off and set the brake. Got out and stuck the chock (black rubber store-bought variety) behind the rear wheel and started unhooking the boat. Out of the corner of my eye I saw the rear tire start to work its way over the chock like a big piece of jello. I was able to get back in the cab and pull forward a bit, then got one of my passengers to hop in and tend to the brakes while I launched. I now carry one of the big laminated chocks that the truckers use.

rgunn1 11-12-2019 08:26 AM

I watched my buddy's 2010 F250 pop out of park at work. He had the door open and had to hit the deck to keep the truck from hitting him. Luckily it just rolled into the street and stopped and nobody got hurt, and thankfully hasn't happened since.

fishmaster273 11-12-2019 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by rdmallory (Post 13099049)
E-brakes are not designed to work in reverse.
They use forward rotation to work.

Doug

huh? My e brake holds the truck and trailer fine. Always set it first, which nobody ever does and this defeats the while purpose which is to prevent your transmission parking prawl from being overloaded.

ed d 11-12-2019 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by SWF Pontoon Angler (Post 13098914)
I then called for a tow and as he winched it out the car started on fire.....but after using a couple extinguishers we put it out.

wtf Gawd what a day , sorry . I think after watching my car get pulled out of the water then seeing it catch fire would " Tilt " my brain .


Originally Posted by lyman24 (Post 13099456)
After reading this I just might pick up a wheel chock or two. I do the typical.. put it in 4-wheel mode, park and e-brake. Sounds like that might not be enough in the case of a one-off event. Sorry to hear about your vehicle, and good call not jumping in afterwards. The new VW sounds nice. Enjoy.

yep , at least in older 4wd systems that locks the front wheels via the drive train otherwise the fronts are free spinning . E brake only brakes rears .

WPBTH 11-12-2019 08:46 AM

why did it catch on fire ???

LouC 11-12-2019 08:51 AM

The drum in the disc rotor hat parking brakes do require some maintenance. Eventually the cables stretch and corrosion builds up on the part of the backing plate where the shoes move. When you do a rear brake job its a good idea to check the parking brake shoes too. Sometimes they crack and fall apart, and people can ignore them for years till there is a problem. You can take off the rotor (a project in itself sometimes, you need to fully release the adjustment of the parking brake shoes by backing off the star wheel adjuster), and if the shoes are still good, pry away slightly from the backing plate and put some brake grease between the shoe and the backing plate with a thin screwdriver. Then after putting them back together make sure to adjust them with the star wheel adjuster. It can be a bit of a pain unless you are used to drum brakes.

Kaper 11-12-2019 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by rdmallory (Post 13099049)
E-brakes are not designed to work in reverse.
They use forward rotation to work....

Generalization perhaps. Example: Tundra rear rotor internal parking brake shoes are symmetrical and work in either direction.

No such thing as e brake btw but only parking brake.

Barrydet 11-12-2019 09:12 AM

Wheel chock.....Always!!! I don't care if anyone laughs. My F350 doesn't float.

jamesbfishin 11-12-2019 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Barrydet (Post 13099835)
Wheel chock.....Always!!! I don't care if anyone laughs. My F350 doesn't float.

Yup, I carry a 12" long chunk of pressure treated 8x8 in my Excursion just for the ramp

OP, sorry for to hear of your ordeal

SWF Pontoon Angler 11-12-2019 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by sullivan504 (Post 13099593)
I had a 2004 Tahoe which developed an electrical fault in the door locks and would spontaneously lock the doors. Not a good feeling to hear that ominous "click-thud" when I saw that a buddy had rolled the windows up and shut the door behind him at the ramp, with the engine running and the trailer in the water. Fortunately the tailgate was up and I always carried the spare key after the first time (at work) it locked me out.

Question for OP: what did you do with your boat on the fateful day? I don't see it in the photo so I'm assuming there was another dock to tie up to. But did the tow truck also bring the boat home?

The boat was just down the dock a bit from the ramp. When they pulled the car out my trailer was ok except for one broken off brake light. Called my nephew who has a Ford Escape with a class II hitch. We hooked it up and limped the boat home only about 7 miles.


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